Comments on: The P.U.-Lizter prizes are out.

The P.U.-Lizter prizes are out.

skallas — Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:45:40 -0800

Also, Geov Parrish's media follies.

By: Schnauzer

Schnauzer — Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:57:09 -0800

P.U. indeed:

"As usual, I have conferred with Jeff Cohen, founder of the media watch group FAIR"

Well, at least you know it is going to be a completely nonpartisan, well reasoned list...

By: davidmsc

davidmsc — Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:40:27 -0800

And in the interest of "fair & balanced" reporting here at MeFi, a similar link from the other side of the political spectrum: Media Research Center's "The Lows of 2003"

By: nofundy

nofundy — Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:35:12 -0800

The day Brent Bozell represents anything attached to either fair or balanced I'll see little piggies in flight. The Bozo. Besides, contrary to what FAUX News says the reportig of news should never be "fair and balanced" but objective and factual. I suppose it was too little or too late for George Will to make this list along with Stossel for receiving kickbacks while publically supporting a person/cause as a "journalist."

By: davidmsc

davidmsc — Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:21:13 -0800

"Faux News." Clever.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:29:46 -0800

I always hated Clear Channel radio and the banal programming, idiot morning shows, the overplay killing classic songs and pimping bad new ones. I always figured maybe it was just me and it was a matter of popular taste winning out. But the attitude of Lowry Mays shows that the suckage is on purpose. I truly hate that company and what it's done to music and radio.

By: davidmsc

davidmsc — Wed, 31 Dec 2003 07:16:05 -0800

Ha. From the "WorkingForChange" link: The U.S. remains the biggest terrorist nation in the world. And the idiots that run that site wonder why the stories that they claim are "under-reported" are just so under-reported...maybe it's because they're so full of crap and wishful thinking and so little truth or justice.

By: XQUZYPHYR

XQUZYPHYR — Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:23:22 -0800

Well, at least you know it is going to be a completely nonpartisan, well reasoned list... And in the interest of "fair & balanced" reporting here at MeFi, a similar link from the other side of the political spectrum: Media Research Center's... Bzzzzzt. Oh dear, the bullshit alarm went off. FAIR: Criticizes right-wing media, which encompasses most news programs. Openly Progressive organization against censorship and media conglomeration and consolidation of media. Supports press diversity and promotion of contrasting and alternative viewpoints. MRC: Criticizes "the liberal media," which includes all news programs, network sitcoms, and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Openly Conservative organization against liberals. Promotes censorship and the vilification of any media endorsing homosexuality. Run by a man who lost a libel lawsuit from a professional wrestling owner. FAIR notes "progressivism" in its mission statement, wheras your alleged "similar" organization notes a blatant conservative objective no less than nine times. FAIR leans left? Indeed. MRC leans right? Oh, lord yes. Their partisanship, or for that matter credibility, is equal? Horse. Shit. Sorry, boys, but you don't get to equate progressive groups to Right-Wing fanatics just because you feel like it.

By: elpapacito

elpapacito — Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:22:45 -0800

That's a good chance to re-re-reintroduce you guys to Logical Fallacies. One example: The U.S. remains the biggest terrorist nation in the world I beg you pardon ? Definition of nation according to Webster: a community of people composed of one or more nationalities and possessing a more or less defined territory and government Definition of nationality : a legal relationship involving allegiance on the part of an individual and usually protection on the part of the state So if the definitions above are accepted as true, we can see that : 1) if you are a citizen of U.S.A 2) you therefore have some kind of legal relationship (citizenship) with the State of U.S.A and 3)if U.S.A. is a terrorist nation ( a community of terrorists) 4) then all the participants of the nation are terrorist 5) so you too are a terrorist my dear citizen It's the same as saying 1) This Herd is evil for some reason 2) given that you're a part of this herd 3) therefore you're evil But being part of a herd is not the cause of being evil so it doesn't qualify you as evil, unless it is proved that every member of the herd is evil (quite a difficult thing to prove) It's like saying all palestinian or iraquis or muslism faith believers are terrorists : self-serving propaganda hate-mongering statement which is at least very very unlikely to be true, more likely to be a logical fallacy.

By: sudama

sudama — Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:33:30 -0800

Anybody want to talk about the content of the link, rather than the source? Can you believe Tom Brokaw said that?

By: George_Spiggott

George_Spiggott — Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:47:02 -0800

elpapacito, from your own link:

The logical fallacy of division ascribes properties of a whole thing to its parts. Below are two examples of this:
This chemical compound is green, therefore all of its atoms are green. America has a high per capita income, therefore everyone there is rich.

A nation can be a terrorist nation if its actions as a nation, with respect to other nations include terrorism, even if the citizens of that nation severally are ignorant of or do not knowingly condone those actions. Nations act upon the world stage as nations, through the offices of their governments -- the existence of noncomplicit citizens has no bearing on the characterization if they don't influence the actions on which the characterization is based.

By: ahimsakid

ahimsakid — Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:57:14 -0800

"The Lows of 2003" link (posted by DavidMSC above) takes a potshot at Bill Moyers' editorial on wearing flag lapel pins. I agreed with Moyers' thinking and invite others to read it--not just the out of context clip cited.

By: skallas

skallas — Fri, 02 Jan 2004 02:11:37 -0800

george_spiggot: A nation can be a terrorist nation if its actions as a nation, with respect to other nations include terrorism, even if the citizens of that nation severally are ignorant of or do not knowingly condone those actions. Exactly. I love the doublethink many Westerners hold. 1. All/most arabs want to kill us, look at their terrorist governments. While holding this belief: 2. Their government is controlled by a dictator(s) who do not heed the will of the people.