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	<title>Comments on: Twinkle, twinkle LED...</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:26:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Twinkle, twinkle LED...</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.thevospad.com"&gt;The Vos Pas&lt;/a&gt; is an apartment that it&apos;s owner has lit entirely with LEDs. More &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/lifestyle/156020_ledlights.html&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:24:01 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ukamikanasi</dc:creator>		<category>VosPad</category>		<category>LED</category>		<category>lighting</category>		<category>apartment</category>		<category>home</category>		<category>technology</category>		<category>design</category>		<category>brokenlink</category>
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		<title>By: ukamikanasi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610304</link>	
		<description>The Vos &lt;b&gt;Pad&lt;/b&gt;. &lt;small&gt;&lt;i&gt;goddammit&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:26:07 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ukamikanasi</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: apocalypse miaow</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610307</link>	
		<description>Oh yes! I want to move in. Right now.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:48:12 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>apocalypse miaow</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: 327.ca</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610309</link>	
		<description>God, that irritating! Who&apos;d want to live in disco?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:51:59 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>327.ca</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: 327.ca</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610310</link>	
		<description>[Haven&apos;t quite woken up yet. Meant to say...] God, that&apos;s irritating! Who&apos;d want to live in a disco? [I know. Hardly worth correcting.]</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:53:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>327.ca</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ukamikanasi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610311</link>	
		<description>It looks soothing to me, rather than irritating. But I wouldn&apos;t want to live there either. It looks rather cold.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:54:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ukamikanasi</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: fvw</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610312</link>	
		<description>The choice of colours is rather strange and not very pleasant, I agree. An odd decision, especially considering that red and yellow LEDs are much cheaper than blue ones...</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 09:57:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 327.ca</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610314</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s hard to consider the lighting separately from the space and furnishings in these photographs. All together it feels more like a gallery than a living environment. Reminds me a bit of one of the last images in 2001.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:01:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: crazy finger</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610316</link>	
		<description>I would think that the lighting would make it infuriatingly dark all the time. You can&apos;t read to soft-purple lighting in every room and I believe that bright light, like that of the sun, is healthy biologically. Haven&apos;t studies shown links between health and natural light cycles?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:04:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: machaus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610320</link>	
		<description>Does this guy ever read a book?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:16:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mathowie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610326</link>	
		<description>The point of the exercise is to demonstrate the future of lighting. While incandescents used to be the only option, low-voltage halogen came in and showed us you could get brighter white light from a smaller source. LED is the next big thing in home lighting, though it currently costs too much for most residential applications (just as halogen is still 4-5x more expensive than regular bulbs and housings, it used to cost way more). LED is the future and I hope it comes sooner than later, all the things I&apos;ve heard about it make it sound like a better alternative to halogen. 

This example apartment is a proof of concept and I think they went for dramatic instead of practical, and while it makes for great photos, I&apos;d love to see a real home environment lit entirely with LEDs, so I could compare to halogen and incandescent.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:26:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: whatnotever</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610331</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Despite its enormous number of light fixtures, Vos&apos; apartment uses no more electricity than four 100-watt incandescent bulbs would, he said. (&quot;And what kind of fun can you have with just four light bulbs?&quot; he asked.)&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://lighting.sandia.gov/Xsslfaq.htm&quot;&gt;Solid-state lighting efficiency&lt;/a&gt; (scroll down to questions 8 and 9) is only just now surpassing that of incandescents (and is still far from that of flourescents).  So his apartment has at most a little more light than &quot;just four light bulbs.&quot;  What kind of fun, indeed.

LEDs are getting there, but they&apos;re not there yet.  The cost is still ridiculous.  People tend to focus on the energy efficiency, ignoring the initial purchase cost that throws all the gains away (e.g., $50,000 for Vos&apos; four or five 100W lightbulbs).  And the color needs some work (blue tints on everything is not so good), though that shouldn&apos;t be too difficult to get right.

LED flashlights, on the other hand, are the bee&apos;s knees.  I like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inovalight.com/site.html?X5-ov&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:42:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: brism</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610343</link>	
		<description>Nearly all of the furniture in the Vos Pad is away from the walls, allowing the lights to be placed along the edge of the floor. I realize the Vos Pad is more conceptual than practical, but I would also like to see an installation in the average home where the sofa, desk, entertainment center, etc. are against the walls. Perhaps light the ceiling instead?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:12:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stbalbach</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610351</link>	
		<description>I have an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ramakkos.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=48&quot;&gt;LED headlamp&lt;/a&gt; and it gives off an erie blue glow. It would not be my first choice for long-term usage in the backwoods versus a normal bulb headlamp but it does the trick for takeing the trash out on a dark night. If nothing else it is cool which is important at places like Burning Man where style over substance is everything.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:31:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jpoulos</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610386</link>	
		<description>Also note that all the shades are drawn so you can see the effects of the LED. I&apos;m sure this apartment gets plenty of natural light.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:08:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Foosnark</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610541</link>	
		<description>I want a home lit entirely with Nixie Tubes.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:37:44 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Foosnark</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Goofyy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610645</link>	
		<description>According to the website, the color of the light is selectable electronically. 

I&apos;d like to point out that fancy lighting in homes appears very popular in Europe. I find visiting lighting stores to be like visiting an art gallery over here, most especially so in Germany. Alas, the prices on some of the creations I saw were staggering!  Even my frugal in-laws (Belgian) spent large sums on fine lighting in their new apartment
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:31:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jiroczech</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#610729</link>	
		<description>Weird.. I was daydreaming about lighting a house with LED&apos;s the other day.

One of my kids got given a keyring torch for Chirstmas that has a cluster of 3 LEDs. A red, a green and a blue one. When they&apos;re all on it gives off a nice white light, but its also got  a program where it cycles between the colours with smooth transitions.. It&apos;s very cool.

How come LEDs are expensive? I thought they were cheap as hell to make. I&apos;m off to do some research..</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:17:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dejah420</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30648/Twinkle-twinkle-LED#611119</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s slashdotted...anyone know if there&apos;s a mirror?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:45:51 -0800</pubDate>
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