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	<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:14:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>The Hubble Space Telescope is no more.</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.brucegarrett.com/brucelog_2004_1_1.htm#b22"&gt;&quot;The end of an era in deep space exploration draws to a close.&lt;/a&gt; The era of the total militarization of space dawns,&quot; says the blog of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brucegarrett.com/index.htm&quot; _&gt;Bruce Garrett&lt;/a&gt;, a software engineer for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stsci.edu/hst/&quot; _&gt;Space Telescope Science Institute&lt;/a&gt; (home of the Hubble).  Although I haven&apos;t been able to corroborate it at a news source yet, Garrett reports that the word came today from NASA director Sean O&apos;Keefe that servicing missions to Hubble are over. &lt;/p&gt;

The President made his announcement &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/30628&quot; _&gt;on Wednesday&lt;/a&gt;, and NASA announced &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/01/16/bush.space.reut/index.html&quot; _&gt;their reorganization in order to fall in line with Bush&apos;s plan today&lt;/a&gt;.   Interestingly, this &quot;reorganization&quot; including support to only manned missions began over a year ago, but O&apos;Keefe still &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=9182&quot; _&gt;testified to the US Senate in May 2003&lt;/a&gt; that the Hubble would be serviced next in November 2004.  Wonder what changed.&lt;/p&gt;

We marveled at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/30151&quot; _&gt;The Best of Hubble&lt;/a&gt; in December 2003.  Might be the Last, as well.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:01:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: smackfu</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613155</link>	
		<description>Were the gyros always supposed to fail like this?  Other satellites seem to last a lot longer without hundred-million dollar repair missions every few years.  Fundamental design flaw perhaps?

Also, that &quot;militarization&quot; bit comes out of left-field, even in the original entry.   I like my conclusions to logically follow.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:14:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: homunculus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613159</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war30.html&gt;Get Your War On Mars.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:21:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: homunculus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613162</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=http://www.markfiore.com/animation/rovers.html&gt;The Democratic Rovers&lt;/a&gt; [Flash.]</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:25:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: QuestionableSwami</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613167</link>	
		<description>Hubble doesn&apos;t have any thrusters or engines; it uses the gyros position the telescope to view objects in deep space, and the shuttle to boost its orbit. The gyros are pretty much in constant use, so they wear out eventually.

And yes, what Garrett said is true. I work &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stsci.edu/&quot;&gt;there&lt;/a&gt; as well.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:29:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: elwoodwiles</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613176</link>	
		<description>So Bush wants to go to space, that&apos;s really great. Whee. 

It&apos;d be nice if he would actually fund it. He&apos;s allotting 1 billion in new money and diverting 11 billion from other parts of NASA&apos;s budget. Meanwhile there&apos;s talk of him putting 1.5 Billion in new money to encourage heterosexual &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/14/politics/campaigns/14MARR.html?hp&quot;&gt;marriages. &lt;/a&gt; Interesting set of priorities there.......

Bread meet Circus.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:37:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rocketpup</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613206</link>	
		<description>One question that comes to mind... is the James Webb Space Telescope safe?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:18:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: daver</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613214</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m a bit dumbfounded. Why would we do this again?!?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:25:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Iax</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613245</link>	
		<description>To make sure that he can beat the Chinese.
China seems determined to put some people on the moon.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:59:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613260</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm&quot; title=&quot;Taking the long perspective... with a pretentiously portentuous soundtrack&quot;&gt;Film at 11&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:30:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: moonbiter</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613265</link>	
		<description>As much as I dislike the current administration and it&apos;s foolhardy policies, this seems to me to be &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&amp;node=&amp;contentId=A49793-2003Nov16&amp;notFound=true&quot;&gt;something &lt;/a&gt; that has been &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/12/1230_031230_hubbletelescope.html&quot;&gt;considered for a while&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.savethehubble.org/&quot;&gt;Savethehubble.org&lt;/a&gt; has been &lt;a href=&quot;http://samspade.org/t/lookat?a=savethehubble.org&quot;&gt;around since October&lt;/a&gt;, and people were discussing it&apos;s decommissioning &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.universetoday.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=425&quot;&gt;as far back as August&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:36:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: moonbiter</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613266</link>	
		<description>Uh, my point being that I don&apos;t think it&apos;s really an issue driven by the administration&apos;s &quot;Operation Martian Freedom&quot; initiative.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:40:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mathis23</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613278</link>	
		<description>Rocketpup -  from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brucegarrett.com/brucelog_2004_1_1.htm#b23&quot;&gt;most recent post&lt;/a&gt; on Garrett&apos;s page...

&lt;em&gt;Beyond Hubble, there is the Next Generation Space Telescope (NGST, or as it is now called, the James Webb Space Telescope), which is currently scheduled for launch sometime in 2011. O&apos;Keefe said that he will look into ways to accelerate development of NGST a tad, but that would only bring it forward by a year at best. &lt;/em&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:52:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: boltman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613323</link>	
		<description>Incidently, Gregg Easterbrook has some interesting (and very negative) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tnr.com/easterbrook.mhtml?pid=1166&quot;&gt;comments&lt;/a&gt; about Bush&apos;s new space plan over at TNR.

It seems to be like Hubble and other deep-space exploration tools have taught us far more about the universe than manned missions ever have (or will).  It would be a real shame if these programs are sacrificed for what sounds like would be a totally useless Moon base.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:29:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nofundy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613325</link>	
		<description>Will the military defense contractors get all the NASA money you might ask?  
But of course. Halliburton drilling on Mars, I can see it now!  

Naturally the costs will become astronomical what with all the cute subsidiary company shell games they love to play. 

I look for a new web site any day now promoting scientists for Bush.  This move is certain to garner thousands of new voters from the science community. Correct? 

I feel united already by this divider occupying the White House.  There&apos;s no short term profit in science for science&apos;s sake.

Certainly Bush consulted with the finest minds in the field before making such a decision.  No?!  What do you mean its a purely political manuver engineered by Karl Rove?  You Bush hater!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:31:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613339</link>	
		<description>This is so awful.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:32:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: troutfishing</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613363</link>	
		<description>I know very little of the particulars. I just discern patterns.  So I&apos;ll predict : the Mars Mission is a cover for terminating most of NASA&apos;s non-civilian projects and redirecting most of it&apos;s budget towards the militarization of space.  

I hope I&apos;m wrong.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:15:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lathrop</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613415</link>	
		<description>troutfishing: I agree completely, except for your misuse of the apostrophe in &quot;its&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:31:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pineapple</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613416</link>	
		<description>&lt;b&gt;nofundy&lt;/b&gt;: you actually CAN &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21186-2004Jan15.html&quot;&gt;see it now!&lt;/a&gt; From WaPo:

&lt;i&gt;Halliburton&apos;s interest in Mars was first pointed out yesterday by the Progress Report, a daily publication of the liberal Center for American Progress. Administration officials scoffed at the idea that Halliburton had anything to do with the development of the space policy, which was headed by Bush&apos;s domestic policy adviser, Margaret Spellings, and Stephen Hadley, the deputy national security adviser. Another administration official said Cheney did not take a lead role in the interagency work on the space policy but gauged support on Capitol Hill and served in an advisory capacity. 

An industry official who spoke on the condition of anonymity said the oil and gas industry, including Halliburton, would benefit considerably from technology that was developed for drilling on Mars, including the tools, the miniaturization, the drilling mechanism, the robotic systems and the control systems. &lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:51:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: homunculus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/30777/The-Hubble-Space-Telescope-is-no-more#613417</link>	
		<description>Remember &lt;a href=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082869/&gt;Outland&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:06:07 -0800</pubDate>
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