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	<title>Comments on: Is Fake The New Real??</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:31:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Is Fake The New Real??</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.fakeisthenewreal.org/subway/index.html"&gt;subway systems of the world&lt;/a&gt; presented on a scale of 1 mile = 2 pixels.&lt;br&gt;  
&lt;small&gt;Just one of the cool things found at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fakeisthenewreal.org&quot;&gt;fake is the new real&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
&lt;small&gt;:: via the always excellent &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.satanslaundromat.com/sl/&quot;&gt;Satan&apos;s Laundromat&lt;/a&gt; ::&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:08:50 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>anastasiav</dc:creator>		<category>underground</category>		<category>subway</category>		<category>maps</category>		<category>travel</category>
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		<title>By: LeLiLo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633523</link>	
		<description>Ah, life underground. This &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; cool &#8212; even though it kind of looks like hair in the bathtub (or swatted mosquitos.) Years ago I thought it would be a great idea to go and ride all the subways in the world, and then write some sort of book or consumer magazine article about the experience. Then I figured it sounded too much like work, so I never did it.

The best subway history book seems to be the long out-of-print &lt;i&gt;Labyrinths of Iron&lt;/i&gt;, by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.book.nu/author/Benson+Bobrick&quot;&gt;Benson Bobrick&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:31:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amberglow</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633533</link>	
		<description>cool, and very hairball-y. I think ours is most recognizable (it follows the shape of manhattan for the most part), as opposed to the ring-and-tentacles model so many other cities have. (come to think of it, we really should have more tentacles tho--for the vast swathes of Queens and the Bronx without subway service)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:42:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: eddydamascene</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633538</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;apprx scale&lt;/i&gt;

Heh. JFK is not quite 80 miles from Manhattan. It just feels that way.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:45:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: carter</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633540</link>	
		<description>Cool! Nice links to transit authorities, too.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:49:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633559</link>	
		<description>Very nice.  Thanks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:08:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PrinceValium</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633591</link>	
		<description>Railfans unite!
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nycsubway.org&quot;&gt;nycsubway.org&lt;/a&gt; is also an excellent repository for photos, maps, and mementos.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:48:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: George_Spiggott</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633593</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;appx scale
1 mi = 2 pixels
2 km = 7 pixels
&lt;/i&gt;
This would seem to imply that 1 km = 1.75 miles.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:49:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ParisParamus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633598</link>	
		<description>New York&apos;s system is one fare to go anywhere.  Is that true of the other systems?  I seem to recall in Paris that were, at least in the past , two or three zones to pay for.

Although it&apos;s pretty useless, it&apos;s also pretty cool to be able to go to the near-forest  of northern Manhattan, all the way to sand dunes on Rockaway on a $2.00 fare and one A train.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:58:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dydecker</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633608</link>	
		<description>Tokyo charges from US$1 to $3 depending on distance.  The two subway companies charge their own seperate fares, so you must pay twice.  The subway lines run on to become surface train lines which are owned by separate companies, so you have to pay twice for that even though you&apos;ve only used one seat.

The subways here all stop at one in the morning, which kind of sucks.  Luckily lots of bars stay open all night.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:13:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bashos_frog</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633613</link>	
		<description>NYC is up to $2.00? Damn. I was just getting used to the $15 Metrocard when I left.  It seemed to me for a long time that the Tokyo system was much bigger, but I guess that is a result of the connection with surface lines, the size of the stations, and the fact that I don&apos;t live in the heart of the city, as I used to in Manhattan.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:21:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amberglow</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633616</link>	
		<description>London and Paris and Brussels and Rotterdam and Amsterdam all have zoned systems. Most places do, I think.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:22:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: antifreez_</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633623</link>	
		<description>I was tempted to give info on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.translink.bc.ca/files/sys_maps/Decsys_Route_Map.pdf&quot;&gt;Vancouver&apos;s system&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;(specifically, the yellow and blue lines running diagonally along the map -- bigass PDF, give it a minute or two)&lt;/small&gt; but then I realized that compared to the systems of NYC, France, or Berlin, it&apos;s -- well, it&apos;s just boring.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:29:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ParisParamus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633627</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s $2.00, but with the weekly or monthly cards (monthly=$70), it&apos;s an amazingly good deal.  I just wish they would invest in some new signals so that the speed of things could go up a bit.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:31:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dvdgee</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633640</link>	
		<description>Not only is New York&apos;s subway one zone, that price is far cheaper than London&apos;s, and it&apos;s a 24 hour service. Plus, they have plastic seats, not upholstery, so the smell of urine is, at the very least, minimized.  However, for sheer efficiency, nothing beats the Moscow subway... every 3 minutes or less, can&apos;t be beat :)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:52:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dydecker</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633644</link>	
		<description>Plus Moscow has the most &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metro.ru/stations/koltsevaya/novoslobodskaya/&quot;&gt;stations&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:58:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: UlfMagnet</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633645</link>	
		<description>There are subway systems with UPHOLSTERY in the world??!!??</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:59:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dydecker</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633646</link>	
		<description>Uh, the most &lt;i&gt;beautiful&lt;/i&gt; stations.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:00:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SisterHavana</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633652</link>	
		<description>Chicago&apos;s El is one zone as well. $1.75 to go wherever you want, no matter how far away. (Fare was raised on 1/1) I know the DC Metro has zones, but I also thought it was cool that you could go to two different states as well as DC on that system.

The weekly pass in NYC is an amazing deal. $7 for a daily pass but only $21 for a weekly pass. Not bad. : ) I like that you can buy them in any station. In Chicago, there are 1, 2 ,3, and 5 day visitor passes available (ranging from $5-$18) but you can ONLY buy them at certain tourist attractions, currency exchanges, and at a grand total of four El stations.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:06:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SisterHavana</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633654</link>	
		<description>The other thing I really liked on that site was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fakeisthenewreal.org/milexmile/index.html&quot;&gt;Chicago Mile By Mile&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:07:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: boltman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633667</link>	
		<description>I was always impressed by the DC metro.  Far more than most of the above-ground parts of the city, actually.  

Of course, there was that wee problem of not being able to get to a large chunk of the city on it, including Georgetown.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:25:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bonaldi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633681</link>	
		<description>Hey, I can do this too. Check this out...

O

That&apos;s a map of the Glasgow subway. 

Vancouver aint got nothing on tedium there. Used to be chain-driven, so it&apos;s in a big circle and all the stations are the same distance apart.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:47:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cicerius</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633687</link>	
		<description>What goes on in the middle of Tokyo?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 15:10:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dydecker</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633717</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;What goes on in the middle of Tokyo?&lt;/i&gt;

Nobody really knows.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ag0ny.com/display.php?i=0&amp;db=48&quot;&gt;The Imperial Palace&lt;/a&gt;, which is huge, is surrounded by a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ag0ny.com/display.php?i=4&amp;db=48&quot;&gt;moat&lt;/a&gt; and off limits to the public.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:46:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ParisParamus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633719</link>	
		<description>FYI:  best subway ride in NYC:  the Q, D, N or B over the Manhattan Bridge. (cool rail ride not the subway = Amtrak arriving or departing Penn Station toward Boston.  Once you get to Queens, it&apos;s like your flying over the city for about five miles...</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:53:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: emyd</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633720</link>	
		<description>Wow, what&apos;s creepier than clicking randomly on someone&apos;s personal photos and seeing people you know?

Thanks, Lelilo, I was looking for &lt;i&gt;Labyrinths of Iron&lt;/i&gt; for a while but forgot both the title and the author. I shall resume my search!</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:00:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stavrosthewonderchicken</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633724</link>	
		<description>I&apos;d love to see Seoul&apos;s system on that map. It&apos;s freakin&apos; &lt;em&gt;big&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:11:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: crunchland</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633725</link>	
		<description>By the looks of them, I&apos;m betting they were made by just sitting on the subway and letting a GPS keep track, eh?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:18:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: elpapacito</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633756</link>	
		<description>crunchland: yeah they look like GPS tracks, but there one problem. GPS doesn&apos;t work underground :)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:50:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: titboy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633757</link>	
		<description>here&apos;s the Montr&#233;al subway &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stm.info/azimuts/carte.wcs?eff=OD&amp;lng=a&quot;&gt;map&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:58:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CrayDrygu</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633782</link>	
		<description>I am disappointed to see that Boston, home of the nation&apos;s first subway system, is not there.  I&apos;m equally disappointed that I don&apos;t have a map of it to donate to him.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:41:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gregb1007</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633827</link>	
		<description>I was expecting to see Boston there too. A shame.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2004 00:49:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CunningLinguist</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#633928</link>	
		<description>Me too, but the footnotes say they are working on it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2004 07:35:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: halleck23</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/31578/Is-Fake-The-New-Real#634168</link>	
		<description>Interesting local history about the DC Metro and Georgetown: Apparently when Metro was built in the &apos;70s, the rich denizens of Georgetown successfully fought against a Georgetown station because they didn&apos;t want to be served by public transportation, which would of course allow hoi polloi to flock to their tony neighborhood.  So what happened?  People drive to G&apos;town instead, parking and traffic is a nightmare all day, all night, and all weekend, and now 30 years later G&apos;town residents are demanding the city build a metro station to serve them!  What a capricious lot.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2004 12:02:19 -0800</pubDate>
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