Comments on: Easter Island, Earth Island

Easter Island, Earth Island

kliuless — Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:15:12 -0800

Twilight at Easter by Jared Diamond, offers us a clear summary of "Easter's settlement and subsequent history, its statues, the frightening collapse of its society, and its broader significance in our world beset with similar environmental problems." [via JBD's SDJ]

By: SPrintF

SPrintF — Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:28:36 -0800

The flesh of your mother sticks between my teeth. Wow.

By: troutfishing

troutfishing — Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:49:12 -0800

I'd been holding off on posting this tale for a year and a half or so and, lately, I'd thought of the comparison (fairly apt, really) between the historical Easter Island and contemporary Haiti. Since I first read Jared's early nutshell though, he's fleshed out the story with considerable aplomb. Good for him. It needs now to be told - and broadcast - widely. Diamond floated earlier short versions of this, based on preliminary research, at least four years ago if not earlier. When I re-broadcast the message in early 2001, I was considered (by a lay public) quite insane. What a difference a scant few years now can make (and this is a good thing).

By: troutfishing

troutfishing — Sat, 13 Mar 2004 22:56:25 -0800

"I have often asked myself, "What did the Easter Islander who cut down the last palm tree say while he was doing it?" Like modern loggers, did he shout "Jobs, not trees!"? Or: "Technology will solve our problems, never fear, we'll find a substitute for wood"? Or: "We need more research, your proposed ban on logging is premature"? " (Jared Diamond)

By: crazy finger

crazy finger — Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:07:18 -0800

Maybe he said "Global warming? Isn't it cold enough for ya?" Not that New Hampshirites say this, mainly it's outsiders from MA and CT.

By: homunculus

homunculus — Sat, 13 Mar 2004 23:21:42 -0800

The Lorax said nothing. Just gave me a glance... just gave me a very sad, sad backward glance... as he lifted himself by the seat of his pants. And I´ll never forget the grim look on his face when he heisted himself and took leave of this place, through a hole in the smog, without leaving a trace.

By: jfuller

jfuller — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 04:20:19 -0800

> "I have often asked myself, "What did the Easter Islander > who cut down the last palm tree say while he was doing it?" Unlikely that he said or thought anything in particular, any more than a goat on a rocky island thinks anything in particular as it eats the last blade of grass. Horizons shrink easily to embrace nothing but the deed at hand. Living in the moment is part of our heritage as animals.

By: jfuller

jfuller — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 04:23:31 -0800

...which one would think Jared Diamond would know. Even the most educated persons apparently don't really believe in evolution.

By: Johnny Assay

Johnny Assay — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:20:35 -0800

Jared Diamond wrote another article on the same topic for Discover magazine back in 1995; it can be found here. Fascinating stuff. Wow, that was almost ten years ago. I feel old.

By: moonbiter

moonbiter — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:44:21 -0800

"I have often asked myself, "What did the Easter Islander who cut down the last palm tree say while he was doing it?" Probably something like: "I better cut this down and use the wood before that bastard Timoti does."

By: jfuller

jfuller — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 06:47:59 -0800

Diamond scatters articles on "Why do societies make disastrous decisions" like dandelion seeds. It's his topic. For the record, the answer is: Living in the present moment is part of our heritage as animals. That the human species's narrowly focused moments greatly outnumber its moments of wide circumspection more than adequately explains the observation that a few of us (inventors, warriors, whatever) are often smart enough to make trouble while the many are not then smart enough to unmake it. Societies don't make disastrous decisions because societies do not make decisions--full stop. Consider how hard it is to get every member of a committee of six on the same page. Now imagine a committee of millions. "Society" is a large, wooly abstraction with, as a whole, no more awareness than a mushroom. We often say "society" should do this or that; this is worse than sloppy talk, it is a deeply confusing misuse of terms (specifically, a reification of an abstraction.) A society isn't going to "do" anything, because there's nobody at the wheel.

By: madamjujujive

madamjujujive — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 07:23:16 -0800

great post, kliuless - thanks.

By: troutfishing

troutfishing — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:09:31 -0800

Yeah, I second that. Great post. I like jfuller's comments too.

By: superchris

superchris — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:23:54 -0800

Good read. For those who don't know, the author also wrote "Guns, Germs, and Steel", talking about why some societies succeed and some fail discussing factors like environment and geography a lot more than many histories. Smart guy with interesting ideas.

By: alms

alms — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:39:32 -0800

Really great, thanks.