Comments on: Christian Slave, Muslim Master

Christian Slave, Muslim Master

stbalbach — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:02:20 -0800

Christian Slave, Muslim Master: A new book claims over 1 million white Europeans where enslaved by North Africans between 1500 and 1800. Entire villages de-populated and pressed into slavery from Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Britain, Ireland and Iceland. While the numbers are smaller than the 10 to 12 million Africans sent to North America it is a little known tragic story of Africans subjugating Europeans.

By: Postroad

Postroad — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:31:11 -0800

Sue for reparations!

By: keswick

keswick — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:32:51 -0800

damn, postroad beat me to it

By: billsaysthis

billsaysthis — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:34:24 -0800

Geez, couldn't you find a better main link than two booksellers with no reviews posted, one of whom lists it as unavailable? A trivial google of the main title turned up a WashTimes posting of a Reuters article, a Newswise article and a History News Network reprint of a Guardian article on the first page of results.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:41:17 -0800

*Puts on Nat X wig* Fight The Power!

By: stbalbach

stbalbach — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 09:49:01 -0800

The two "main" links contain actual text from the source work. The last link contains the wire article in full, which the WashTime and Newswire and History News links contain short hand versions of and are redundant.

By: carter

carter — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:07:41 -0800

billsaysthis, the first link to the Palgrave site has a link to a PDF that has the contents page, first chapter, and the index of the book. And thanks, stbalbach! Interesting stuff.

By: dash_slot-

dash_slot- — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:07:43 -0800

...unorthodox methodology...the absence of detailed written records such as customs forms...statistics which are not real..."His figures sound a bit dodgy and I think he may be exaggerating."... sounds quite speculative to me.

By: billsaysthis

billsaysthis — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:15:00 -0800

Okay, my bad, beat me with a stick but I still don't like links to bookstores as the main efforts of a post.

By: kliuless

kliuless — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 10:21:29 -0800

hey just watched spartan :D wheels within wheels!

By: clavdivs

clavdivs — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:13:36 -0800

By: the fire you left me

the fire you left me — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:37:56 -0800

Sue for reparations! posted by Postroad at 11:31 AM CST on March 14 That's rascist.

By: pandaharma

pandaharma — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 13:57:27 -0800

Racist? I thought it was funny.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:24:36 -0800

That's rascist. Great, a neurotically PC dyslexic.

By: billsaysthis

billsaysthis — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:07:25 -0800

pandaharma, as always, one person's joke is another's insult.

By: deanc

deanc — Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:35:10 -0800

Has anyone pointed out that this amounts to 3,000 european captives per year? In an era where it was not uncommon for a captured city to have all the men killed and all the women and children sold into slavery, that 1 million people would have ended up as slaves over a 300 year period is not particularly surprising. A much larger number were, no doubt, outright killed during this period in any number of european wars that went on. Assuming two generations of slaves would be functional at any one time, that would mean about 100,000 slaves were serving in any given year over that 300 year period (a 40-year useful life of a slave) to serve all of North Africa.