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March 17, 2004 11:06 AM   Subscribe

"We need to keep them out of here," said Commissioner J.C. Fugate, who introduced the motion.

Rhea County, Tennessee commissioners have voted 8-0 to ask state lawmakers to introduce legislation amending Tennessee's criminal code so the county can charge homosexuals with crimes against nature. If Rhea County sounds familiar, it may be because it was the setting for the Scopes Monkey Trial.
posted by mr_crash_davis (49 comments total)
 
I'm confused. Who is going to hell, again?
posted by jon_kill at 11:20 AM on March 17, 2004


There was little discussion before the 8-0 vote, and commissioners didn't mention that the U.S. Supreme Court struck down Texas sodomy laws last year and ruled there is a constitutionally protected right to adults' private sexual conduct.

Apparently news travels slowly in Rhea County.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 11:22 AM on March 17, 2004


Republicans = Weak on terrorism, strong on policing your bedroom.
posted by EmoChild at 11:24 AM on March 17, 2004


They will be setting fire to these homosexuals, yes?
posted by xmutex at 11:24 AM on March 17, 2004


I can't even believe I just read that article. What year are we living in again?
posted by greengrl at 11:27 AM on March 17, 2004


Uh, how do they suppose to prove someone is a homosexual in order to charge them?
posted by agregoli at 11:27 AM on March 17, 2004


Next week, they're going to ban those infernal horseless carriages and satanic gramophones.
posted by jonmc at 11:30 AM on March 17, 2004




...so the county can charge homosexuals with crimes against nature.

Won't someone think of the nature???
posted by Stauf at 11:34 AM on March 17, 2004


Wait... from stonerose's link:

Rhea County Abounds with Attractions & Recreation!
*Scopes Trial Play and Festival at the Courthouse * Historical Tour of the Scopes Evolution trial sites *


Clearly, they are doing this so that another historic trial can occur in their county. Then, in ten years, they can have another tourist attraction. This might look like hateful, ignorant bigotry, but it is really sound urban planning.

I, for one, am going to reserve my tickets for the opening of the *Homosexual Trial Play and Fesitival at the Courthouse* as soon as I can.
posted by Joey Michaels at 11:45 AM on March 17, 2004


Uh, how do they suppose to prove someone is a homosexual in order to charge them?

By following the protocols set forth by Lombroso.
posted by rocketman at 11:47 AM on March 17, 2004


Um, okay, so I'm starting to see that there are alot of people that are truly threatened by homosexuality. Like its some kind of disease like leprosy where you just need to limit your exposure to not get it.

What's next? Deciding that evolutionary theory shouldn't be taught because it hasn't been proven? Or because it contradicts creationism which has to be right because it says so in the Bible and the Bible's right about everything even though its just a bunch of stories and not a manual for living.

Why are people so scared of gay people? Is the thought of two men or two women having sex THAT much more repellent than the typical obese couple? Or is it just the fact that they HAVE sex in the first place?

Good thing they've got their eyes on the important stuff like gay unions and not on the stupid inconsequential stuff like protecting civil liberties, keeping a watchful eye out for terrorist acts or the migration of US jobs overseas.
posted by fenriq at 12:00 PM on March 17, 2004


Why are people so scared of gay people?

Because people are dumb.
posted by Foosnark at 4:28 PM on March 17, 2004


talk about a slippery slope! I mean, if you ban gay marriage, you're saying it's ok to ban gay voting, gay talking, and finally as we're seeing here in dayton, gay existence!
posted by mcsweetie at 4:32 PM on March 17, 2004


what Foosnark said...I feel awful for the gay and lesbian kids stuck there til they graduate high school (if they don't drop out or run away or try to kill themselves first)
posted by amberglow at 4:42 PM on March 17, 2004


Inherit The Wind II, anyone?
posted by kaemaril at 4:52 PM on March 17, 2004


state lawmakers to introduce legislation amending Tennessee's criminal code so the county can charge homosexuals with crimes against nature.

There seems to be some confusion over the legality of anti-sodomy laws. Here in North Carolina* we don't stand for none 'o that nasty stuff.

*North Carolina: Whipping you with the Bible Belt
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:58 PM on March 17, 2004


Is the thought of two men or two women having sex THAT much more repellent than the typical obese couple?

/channeling for the young men of Rhea county: no way!
posted by Dick Paris at 4:59 PM on March 17, 2004


Uh, how do they suppose to prove someone is a homosexual in order to charge them?

They put them in a weighted cage and drop it into the river. If the individual lives, they're obviously a homosexual and must be burned. Otherwise, the individual is free of any charges.
posted by fatbobsmith at 5:12 PM on March 17, 2004


Uh, how do they suppose to prove someone is a homosexual in order to charge them?

Voight-Kampff test. ("Is this to test whether I'm a replicant, Mr. Deckard, or a homosexual?")
posted by inksyndicate at 5:17 PM on March 17, 2004


Uh, how do they suppose to prove someone is a homosexual in order to charge them?

Voight-Kampff test. "Is this to test whether I'm a replicant, Mr. Deckard, or a homosexual?"
posted by inksyndicate at 5:18 PM on March 17, 2004


Hey, Commissioner Fugate - Salem, Mass. called.

They want their firewood back.

Yes, I know they didn't actually burn witches.
posted by Dipsomaniac at 5:31 PM on March 17, 2004


Dire, Rhea County, dire.

Wheeeeee!!!!!
posted by inpHilltr8r at 5:38 PM on March 17, 2004


Uh, how do they suppose to prove someone is a homosexual in order to charge them?

Well you put them in a tub of water, and if they float, they must be a homosexual.
posted by ruwan at 6:22 PM on March 17, 2004


>Deciding that evolutionary theory shouldn't be taught because it hasn't been proven?

Theory is the end of the scientific method, there is nothing left to prove, only to come up with competing theories and if they better fit the facts then they will become the dominant theory. Everything is a theory, even gravity.

The whole "theory vs fact" thing is a purposeful misrepresentation creationists use to defend their position. Theories are based on observable facts. Theories don't magically become facts.
posted by skallas at 6:34 PM on March 17, 2004


Theories don't magically become facts.

very true.

the whole "it's just a theory" claim is rather weak -- is evident of a complete lack of understanding of scientific terminology, and the nature of a 'theory' and the difference between that and a 'law'

there is no mountain of evidence that can make a theory into a law. they are fundamentally different terms. the 'theory' of evolution, of relativity will always be just that -- a theory. no mattre how many times observations may validate it.


link: Scientific Laws, Hypotheses, and Theories (http://wilstar.com/theories.htm)

In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.

The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law governs a single action, whereas a theory explains a whole series of related phenomena.

posted by 11235813 at 6:45 PM on March 17, 2004


American Taliban.
posted by five fresh fish at 7:01 PM on March 17, 2004


Somebody come in here and defend these fuckers. I want to slap somebody around before Matt comes back.
posted by Hildago at 7:32 PM on March 17, 2004


Well I have seen the light . . .. this article has woken me up to the homosexual agenda . . all this time I just assumed that gay people wanted to live and let live, marry, have kids, divorce, be happy or not happy as they wish .. .but no. . it's all about special rights.

(now how do I broach this with my gay daughter?)
posted by Danf at 8:09 PM on March 17, 2004


Why are people so scared of gay people?

Why must we assume that their dislike of homosexuals is based on fear? Isn't it possible that they are not afraid of gays at all, but just don't like them?

I remember an argument in college. This woman was saying that rape is violence, and has nothing to do with sex, and a guy disagreed. So, not even once, no one raped someone because they just wanted sex and took it, even though they didn't really like violence? He had a great point, but everyone denounced him. You would think he had taken a dump in the breakfast nook - it was just beyond the pale to suggest that something was just evil, and didn't need reduction to a psychological frailty.

Another example: even the term for anti-gay activity, emotion, and ideation is "homophobia". The idea is that no one would have any bad emotions like hatred and revulsion unless they secretly feared the object. Folks, that's dime-store Freudianism, and it has got to go. They don't hate you because they are afraid of gayness. They hate you because they hate gay sex and gay people.

Check it out : the dogma that "violence/hatred/war is really fear" is rampant and unexamined.
posted by crunchburger at 8:12 PM on March 17, 2004


crunch, you have to ask, "why the hate?" No hatred comes out of the air--there's always a reason.
posted by amberglow at 8:15 PM on March 17, 2004


that rape argument is... what... inadvertently circular...? of course some rapists just want sex but the act of taking it from someone who doesn't consent to give it is still rooted in violence and power issues.

personally i've never met a homophobe that once you started questioning didn't reveal some really weird and unfounded fears. i see it happen here (mefi) all the time. frankly i don't give a rat's ass where this sort of bullshit is rooted, it's repugnant from any angle. seems lately every single day there's yet another gambit to reduce people's freedom and equality in the usa, it's fucking mind boggling. wtf, people... learn to live and let live before it's too late.
posted by t r a c y at 8:58 PM on March 17, 2004


(now how do I broach this with my gay daughter?)

Tough question. Parental dilemma - you have to tell her that the world is mostly good, with tolerant people, but beware of the other kind. They are real, they have power, they want to hurt her. Advise: live in a decent sized city, people have more things to do than police her private parts.
posted by crunchburger at 9:01 PM on March 17, 2004


t r a cy, there was an element of sophistry (or sophomoric debate) there, but the point was, his antagonist was very dogmatic. There's a conflict between wanting to make a theory of "rape", overlooking the complexity and variety of actual rapists and the pathology behind their crimes.
posted by crunchburger at 9:04 PM on March 17, 2004


Also, a simple opposition between sex and violence is not tenable. The most innocent kiss may be taken as penetration, outrage,
posted by crunchburger at 9:20 PM on March 17, 2004


yah i got that, and i agree to a point. i need to stop paying attention to american news for a week or so, it's driving me crazy.
posted by t r a c y at 9:36 PM on March 17, 2004


These Rhea County folks are trolling, they are the living up to the "most conservative" county in TN (the Scopes trial festival is another example).

Looking over my posts, I'm quasi-trolling too...I don't have the answers, and I'm tossing out some big questions in a glib way. Maybe it is fear, they are afraid of sex and their own bodies, so that gay people attract their ire even more than liberal elites and tax-and-spend Democrats and Jane Fonda and Bill Clinton and Murphy Brown.
posted by crunchburger at 9:50 PM on March 17, 2004


ROAD TRIP!!!
posted by jpoulos at 8:47 AM on March 18, 2004


What exactly is a "crime against nature"? I'm picturing some sort of anti-environmental thing. How exactly is nature being harmed by the existence of gay people?
posted by GhostintheMachine at 8:52 AM on March 18, 2004


How exactly is nature being harmed by the existence of gay people?

Didn't you see the Daily Show segment on the gay penguins?
posted by Jairus at 8:55 AM on March 18, 2004


You would think he had taken a dump in the breakfast nook

I get that reaction a lot, crunch. From all kinds of people. And when I get that reaction, it usually tells me that I've dared to question some sacred cow belief, which is always a good thing.

I consider it my duty to take a dump in everybody's breakfast nook from time to time.
posted by jonmc at 9:05 AM on March 18, 2004


So that's not a cruller?
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 9:38 AM on March 18, 2004


Ah, compassionate conservatism at work. No doubt these Rhea County folks are the worthwhile voting bloc to which Bush is pandering with his plans to amend the Constitution.

....it was just beyond the pale to suggest that something was just evil

That's it? That was "the great point?" That there aren't real, identifiable, fixable reasons for hatred and fear? You wanna talk about "unexamined" dogma in one sentence, and then a few sentences away throw out "evil, pure and simple, from the 10th dimension" as the cause for assault, discrimination, hatred, violence, and war?

That's so very...you know....Rhea County.

/me searches for my vial of Holy Water to purge the dark hearts of men.

Also, a simple opposition between sex and violence is not tenable. The most innocent kiss may be taken as penetration, outrage

Nonsense. An unwanted kiss can most definitely be violence, just as rape by its very nature is obviously a violent act against the victim. If one "just wanted sex" there are, um, more than a few other alternatives to the terrible violence that is rape.

I get that reaction a lot, crunch. From all kinds of people

Heh. Really. Somehow one doubts it. Since the end of this thread became all about you for some reason, you won't mind hearing that the reality is you straddle so many fences so continuously here on MetaFilter, there's a real concern for HTML saddle sores.
posted by fold_and_mutilate at 10:12 AM on March 18, 2004


I could be passing by this place in a month or so.

I'm not sure weather to avoid it 'cos it's full of backward freaks or to go there 'cos it's full of backward freaks...hmmmm
posted by i_cola at 2:43 PM on March 18, 2004


foldy, you must not get out of the political threads much, but trust me I've managed to piss off all kinds of people, here and elsewhere, including you at least a few times, IIRC. But I imagine to you anyone who's not a firebreathing foldy-ite or or cro-magnon conservative is a "fence sitter." Guess all my bluster is for naught and I'm not allowed into the sooper-secret radical Mickey Mouse Club.

My heart is breaking.
posted by jonmc at 5:58 PM on March 18, 2004


and I'm not allowed into the sooper-secret radical Mickey Mouse Club.
That reminds me--fold, I never got my embroidered "Big Fag" mouse-ears hat. What's up with that?
posted by amberglow at 6:06 PM on March 18, 2004


jonmc: Remind me never to invite you around to my house :)
posted by kaemaril at 6:39 PM on March 18, 2004


Have the TVA build a huge dam, flood the entire county to a depth of a few dozen meters, and make human habitation impossible. Voila! Gay folks can no longer live in the county. Mind you, all the goofballs who wanted this law passed also can't live there, but I think we can agree that's a small price to pay for county-wide amity.
posted by jkilg at 3:06 PM on March 19, 2004


they backed down
posted by amberglow at 8:33 PM on March 19, 2004


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