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I can't stand it! I am so sick of hearing about how crazy Courtney Love is!! NO MORE!!!!!
posted by Quartermass at 9:11 AM on March 18, 2004




It's like watching a suicide in slow motion. Poor Frances Bean.
posted by punilux at 9:14 AM on March 18, 2004


Where have I seen this story before?... Oh yeah...
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 9:17 AM on March 18, 2004


In my unprofessional opinion, she's an addict and a borderline personality. Maybe she'll get herself together someday, maybe not. I feel for her family, though.
posted by jonmc at 9:24 AM on March 18, 2004


Every time Courtney Love acts "strangely" or bears her sagging boobs do we have to take up space on MetaFilter's front page with it? Give it, her and the rest of us a break, will ya?
posted by JollyWanker at 9:27 AM on March 18, 2004


She repeatedly exposed her breasts at talk show host David Letterman.

Love, 39, had her back to the camera when she lifted her shirt several times while making her entrance on the set of the show.


I used to think it was a publicity thing (or a way to liven up her shows, especially if the audience was booing her), but she has legitimate compulsive exhibitionist tendencies, doesn't she?
posted by Shane at 9:31 AM on March 18, 2004


Got that, everybody?

Consult JollyWanker and Quartermass for approval before you FPP. Apparently they are in charge of Metafilter.
posted by mcgraw at 9:40 AM on March 18, 2004


In my unprofessional opinion, she's an addict and a borderline personality. Maybe she'll get herself together someday, maybe not. I feel for her family, though.

Throw in narcissistic and sociopathic as differential diagnoses and I think you've got it. Poor Francis Bean.
posted by echolalia67 at 9:42 AM on March 18, 2004


...or bears her sagging boobs ...

Say what you will about her problems, but her breasts look great!
posted by wsg at 9:45 AM on March 18, 2004


Borderline Personality Disorder.

They should have a pic of Courtney next to the "Symptoms" section.
posted by jonmc at 9:54 AM on March 18, 2004


I loved Courtney. I loved Hole. Lately, her life has sounded like a train wreck, but I hoped it all wasn't true. I paid cash for the new album and I wanted to cry when I listened to it because it's just unlistenable. Drew and Cameron really need to do an intervention.
posted by armacy at 9:59 AM on March 18, 2004


CelebSelfImmolationFilter.
posted by sacre_bleu at 10:04 AM on March 18, 2004


Neologism alert: Teleclinicalpsychoanalysis [n] - The practice of performing clinical evaluations on subjects, often celebrities, with whom the evaluator has never met or analyzed in person.
posted by psmealey at 10:21 AM on March 18, 2004


How about, ComplaintFilter or SnarkFilter.

It would be nice if people would stop whining about posts all the time. Mefi posts are not designed to appeal to everyone. My post, here, takes up very little space of the front page. Whiners complain of wasted space in negative comments which merely.... waste space.
posted by mcgraw at 10:21 AM on March 18, 2004


mcgraw, don't sweat it, I appreciate the post. Love is a compelling figure.

I hope she gets help, she's on a short road to end up just like Kurt.
posted by vito90 at 10:31 AM on March 18, 2004


Poor cow. But it must be hard having no talent when your husband had lots, and people inevitably want to talk about him all the time.
posted by Pericles at 10:32 AM on March 18, 2004


mcgraw,

As a first time snarker, I have to disagree with you. I also believe that there is too much snarkiness most of the time here on MeFi, but come on. My comment was directed at all the media coverage that Courtney gets for acting like a fuckup all the time. It was a general comment, not directed (entirely) at the post itself.

I am just, honest to god, sick to fucking death of hearing about her.

I don't know what has gotten into your graw, but, honestly, learn when to pick your fights. Are you honestly defending this post?
posted by Quartermass at 10:35 AM on March 18, 2004


I love how the BBC has that she exposed her breasts *at* Letterman.

Boobs of Mass Distraction!

At least she's gotten past the urge to show everyone her episotomy scar. That said, between her and Kurt, I sure wish the other one had met the business end of the shotgun.
posted by dejah420 at 10:39 AM on March 18, 2004


It's like watching a suicide in slow motion.

My sentiments exactly. Somehow, the fact that her actions are on display in the public arena makes it even more sad. People, myself included, are drawn in to watch the whole affair unfold.

She's the self-inflicting Kitty Genovese that we can't help but watch.
posted by jazzkat11 at 10:45 AM on March 18, 2004


That said, between her and Kurt, I sure wish the other one had met the business end of the shotgun.

tasteless.
posted by jazzkat11 at 10:46 AM on March 18, 2004


My favorite part of all of this is that she's deluded enough to think anyone wants to see her nasty ass sagging boobs and skanky drug ho body.

Hasn't her 15 minutes ended? Like ten years ago?

On Preview: Jazzkat, I wish it had been her and not him too. Tasteless though that may be, he had talent, she's a skanky parasite.
posted by fenriq at 10:48 AM on March 18, 2004


Quartermass,

I understand what you meant better now, but your initial post implied criticism of this fpp.

I don't want to pick ANY fights. I appreciate that you wrote back, and I guess I could have only mentioned JollyWanker's disapproval, which was more pointed. Or, perhaps, I ought not have addressed the fpp disapproval at all.
posted by mcgraw at 11:01 AM on March 18, 2004


Whiners complain of wasted space in negative comments which merely.... waste space.

From a philosophical perspective, this really is what the web is all about isn't it? Sincerely, I love the collection of the vain, the self-imporatant, the truly nasty, the control freaks, the attention hounds, and the superciliousness that comprise the vast majority of posts on community blogs (and the usenet that preceded it which was about 50 times better, or worse, depending on your perspective). It's why I come.

Back on topic, sort of, Courtney has perfectly nice boobs (thanks to the miracle of implants). More to the point, love her or hate her as we may, she's the real deal. Stiv Bators and Johnny Thunders died too young, Iggy went quiet, Johnny Rotten cashed in, Bowie turned GQ, and Johnny Ramone turned into a Republican (or so I read)... someone has carry the mantle of the crazy as a shithouse rat punk rocker, so why not her?
posted by psmealey at 11:04 AM on March 18, 2004


I think Dave Grohl said it best.

Just another aging drag queen.
posted by skechada at 11:04 AM on March 18, 2004


Oh yeah - and if anyone is idiotic enough to actually attend one of her shows to do anything else than spit in her face, they deserve to be injured by a mic stand.
posted by skechada at 11:07 AM on March 18, 2004


Borderline Personality Disorder

Yeah, that's about right. As a media "personality", she's borderline. The "disorder" part, though, really refers to the media and the public taking any interest in her whatsoever.

Courtney Love? There's nothing to see there, folks. Move along.
posted by GhostintheMachine at 11:09 AM on March 18, 2004


Draw Barrymore did it better. (IMHO)
posted by grabbingsand at 11:16 AM on March 18, 2004


tasteless. --posted by jazzkat11

Granted. I've had to put up with her in person, and I feel entitled to say it. Trust me when I tell you that it's one of the nicer things I say about her. Hell, it's one of the nicer things I'll say *to* her.
posted by dejah420 at 11:20 AM on March 18, 2004


Wow, Limbaugh really needs help. First he supports the Iraq invasion, and now this. Prescription painkillers are life-robbers.
posted by squirrel at 11:21 AM on March 18, 2004


My favorite part of all of this is that she's deluded enough to think anyone wants to see her nasty ass sagging boobs and skanky drug ho body

We need a feature that automatically posts the nude picture of the poster when a disparaging comment about anyone's physical appearance is made.
posted by y2karl at 11:23 AM on March 18, 2004


"Courtney has perfectly nice boobs (thanks to the miracle of implants)."

Implants != perfectly nice boobs
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:28 AM on March 18, 2004


From the AP article:Love jumped on the desk used by Letterman for the late-night talk show and pulled up her shirt. She was not wearing a bra.


There are a lot of things she was not wearing, including chain mail and a burlap sack. Funny how they are unable to write that she displayed her breasts.
posted by 4easypayments at 11:28 AM on March 18, 2004


Yeah, well, quartermass mighta meant nice, but I for sure don't. This is post NewsFilter as it's Weekly World News worst. I'm as entitled to comment on it's vulgar, thoughtless posting as you are to waste space and bandwidth on our community webfilter site, mcgraw. And try not to be so defensive and thread-moderating, OK? If you're going to post to the front page of MetaFilter, you should first accept that people are going to say things you don't like and can't control in the resulting thread...
posted by JollyWanker at 11:31 AM on March 18, 2004


I'd hit it.
posted by moonbiter at 11:31 AM on March 18, 2004


I'm annoyed by the hypocrisy of this manufactured scandal, as I was with the hoo-ha over Janet Jackson's ta-ta. (Courtney says, "I'll see your one boob, and raise you one.") There were promos for David Letterman's show that featured the flashing. So before the show airs there's the promise of something (really not all that) shocking, then the next day there's widespread shock.
posted by kirkaracha at 11:34 AM on March 18, 2004


She's the self-inflicting Kitty Genovese that we can't help but watch.
posted by jazzkat11 at 10:45 AM PST on March 18


Now there's a reference (KG) I haven't heard for years and years. Nice metaphor, jazzkat.
posted by Shane at 11:35 AM on March 18, 2004


I think she's manic.

Somebody get this chick into the hospital and on lithium or trileptal or something. Rehab won't cut it if she is selfmedicating because of an underlying disorder.
posted by konolia at 11:39 AM on March 18, 2004


America is so breast-obsessed. I see this as stemming from our collective puritanical hang-ups and our enduring suppression of female sexuality.

I don't mean to be hypocritical; I get a lurid charge out of seeing breasts that I probably wouldn't get if I had grown up in a more evolved culture where a women's bodies have not been so overtly commodified.

I would gladly surrender the thrill of boobie-mania for the much more grounded benefit of living in a society where people are allowed to feel natural and okay in their bodies.

Some of the comments in this thread about the inherent not-okayness of Love's breasts speak to our collective hang-up, and the resulting fixation on what is and what is not okay.

Also, what y2karl said.
posted by squirrel at 11:49 AM on March 18, 2004


JollyWanker:

You don't need to see his identification.
These aren't the droids you're looking for.
He may go about his business.
Move along.
posted by mcgraw at 11:54 AM on March 18, 2004


maybe she asked Letterman to wax her anus, who knows

I'm just worried for Frances Bean. she deserves to have a much more compos sui mom.

if she is selfmedicating because of an underlying disorder.
maybe she is just a junkie who doesn't really feel like giving up drugs, even if they already killed the father of her little girl. it is not particularly a disorder -- it's more a free will thing, I guess.


We need a feature that automatically posts the nude picture of the poster when a disparaging comment about anyone's physical appearance is made.

yes, but that would make it OK for good-looking people to make fun of other less-appealing people's appearances. I vote for a total ban on that kind of comments, no matter how good (or bad) one actually looks. it is lame and sexist and makes the whole community look bad. and I mean Usenet-bad

posted by matteo at 12:02 PM on March 18, 2004


First Drew, then Courtney... let's make it official: all guests on Letterman should be required to flash Dave. Even the "Know Your Cuts of Meat" people. Especially the "Know Your Cuts of Meat" people.

Also... what's with all the on-the-fly psychonalysis? Maybe she's not so much manic / BPD / sociopathic / exhibitionist / etcetera, but is just, well, bitchy?
I just find it really annoying that whenever anybody behaves in any way outside the "norm", these days, someone will inevitably prescribe an SSRI or two. Not just on Metafilter; it's all over the place.
Sure, some people need medication; antidepressants are a godsend, we all know a bipolar person or two who can use some leveling out, yadda yadda. And that's all great. But how the hell did we get to the point, as a society, where it seems like every third person has to pop a paxil just to get through the day? I mean, come on: it's become commonplace for doctors to prescribe antidepressants for people who've been through a tragedy, lost a loved one or what have you -- but that's ridiculous: those people aren't clinically depressed, they've just been through a goddamn tragedy for chrissakes! Maybe it's not such a hot idea to override the natural grieving process! Maybe it's healthy to be sad once in a while! Maybe if we weren't all living such safe, comfortably padded and medicated lives, we wouldn't have to manufacture such outrage and shock whenever a third-rate celebrity does something stupid!
Maybe I should stop ranting!

posted by ook at 12:29 PM on March 18, 2004


As a statement about the ridiculousness over the the Boobiebowl hype, I thought this was an inspired gesture, and could have come off really well if it had been done by someone with a better image where it wouldn't have been seen as narcissistic self promotion. Liz Phair, maybe, or Sheryl Crow?

Love seems determined to self-destruct. The new album is, I agree, unlistenable. Then again, I thought she was self-destructing during Celebrity Skin, too, so maybe she will outlive us all.

If you're going to read MetaFilter, you should first accept that people are going to post things that you don't like and can't control. If you don't like the thread, I thought the accepted, responsible options were ignoring the thread or taking it to MeTa rather than pissing all over the comments.
posted by onlyconnect at 12:30 PM on March 18, 2004


Chilling and appropriate usenet point matteo, but I have to disagree with your assessment of drug addiction. The comment "just a junkie who doesn't really feel like giving up drugs" reflects a hostile ignorance of the issues facing addicts and about the relationships between them and the societies that create them. Free will is a sticky biz.
posted by squirrel at 12:30 PM on March 18, 2004


pardon me, but i like my rock stars crazy, drugged, honest, freaky, and topless.

hell, it worked for the stones
posted by tsarfan at 12:41 PM on March 18, 2004


Oh yeah - and if anyone is idiotic enough to actually attend one of her shows to do anything else than spit in her face, they deserve to be injured by a mic stand.

Thanks for that, skechada. If there's one thing I enjoy in threads like this, it's an almost over-powering ignorance, and you've displayed it in spades. Kudos.

I don't know what has gotten into your graw, but, honestly, learn when to pick your fights. Are you honestly defending this post?

Yeah, who defends their own posts these days? Talk about passe.
posted by The God Complex at 12:50 PM on March 18, 2004


pardon me, but i like my rock stars crazy, drugged, honest, freaky, and topless.

tsarfan, my freind, putting aside honest, that statement is a stupid myth that plenty of people (myself included) lapped up like a bill of goods. Take away drugs and wild sex and rock and roll is still as great as it ever was, maybe even better.

At least for me. YMMV.
posted by jonmc at 12:52 PM on March 18, 2004


and being stoned and oversexed isn't exactly freaky in today's music world, is it? It's downright conformist.
posted by jonmc at 12:53 PM on March 18, 2004


Yeah, who defends their own posts these days? Talk about passe..

I think attacking your own posts might be the way to go, for entertainment's sake. The next FPP I make, I'm going to make an SPP that assails my own credibility, fact-checking, etiquette, taste and intelligence.
posted by psmealey at 1:02 PM on March 18, 2004


I'm just worried for Frances Bean. she deserves to have a much more compos sui mom.

Well, everyone has an equal right to a stable childhood (I should say, nobody has any more right than anyone else), but on the balance, I'd say Francis Bean got off pretty lucky. A lot of people have moms that are crazy when the cameras aren't on them. A lot of people's moms aren't rich, either. I'm not going to shed too many tears for a rock star's kid.
posted by Hildago at 1:04 PM on March 18, 2004


Drew DEFINATLY did it better. And got a much better reaction from Letterman.
posted by psychotic_venom at 1:11 PM on March 18, 2004


Liz Phair, maybe, or Sheryl Crow?

Sarah McLachlan flashed us at Lilith Fair in Atlanta a few years back. I guess since that wasn't on national tv it doesn't count though.
posted by moonbiter at 1:15 PM on March 18, 2004


Is it just me or is the whole tit-flashing thing becoming annoying? If some woman flashed her boobs at me at this point, I'd have an urge to shove her out of my way and tell her to screw off.
posted by jonmc at 1:18 PM on March 18, 2004


Ook, I have the advantage of knowing what it feels to be hypomanic, at least (I'm a cardcarrying type 2 bipolar, as I think you all already know) and if she is in the grip of mania and ruining her life in the process she most certainly needs meds.

Go read Electroboy.
posted by konolia at 1:22 PM on March 18, 2004


Ms Love was charged with third-degree assault and reckless endangerment after the concert at the Plaid nightclub at 0230 local time (0730 GMT) on Thursday. A 24-year-old man received hospital treatment for head injuries. The incident followed a TV appearance when she repeatedly exposed her breasts at talk show host David Letterman. Ms Love, 39, had her back to the camera when she lifted her shirt several times while making her entrance on the set of the show. She then stood on top of the presenter's desk, sang a few lines of folk song Danny Boy and exposed her breasts at him again. When she sat down, she pointed at her chest and said "FCC", referring to the US Federal Communications Commission, a watchdog that is cracking down on indecency.

haha! none of you fuckers can read this. i am so 1337, just like that dumbass ook!

posted by quonsar at 1:23 PM on March 18, 2004


Now that all the naysayers have left... let's talk about substantial stuff like nanograss [NYT subscription req'd] and Martian UFOs!
posted by mcgraw at 1:29 PM on March 18, 2004


Is it just me or is the whole tit-flashing thing becoming annoying? If some woman flashed her boobs at me at this point, I'd have an urge to shove her out of my way and tell her to screw off.

theres a word for people like you
posted by tsarfan at 1:36 PM on March 18, 2004


moonbiter - I'd hit it.

You'd regret it.
posted by pyramid termite at 2:10 PM on March 18, 2004


that statement is a stupid myth that plenty of people (myself included) lapped up like a bill of goods. Take away drugs and wild sex and rock and roll is still as great as it ever was, maybe even better.

Um, sometimes. Aerosmith? With drugs? Great. After drugs? Pop crap. I could come up with a few more examples also.

;)
posted by justgary at 2:17 PM on March 18, 2004


Is it just me or is the whole tit-flashing thing becoming annoying? If some woman flashed her boobs at me at this point, I'd have an urge to shove her out of my way and tell her to screw off.

theres a word for people like you


And that word is 'closeted'
posted by Ryvar at 2:18 PM on March 18, 2004


Konolia, my point is that maybe she's not someone "in the grip of mania" who needs medication -- maybe she's just a publicity-seeking ass.

Not everyone who behaves badly is mentally ill. Some people just behave badly all on their own. Like my good buddy Q, for example!
posted by ook at 2:28 PM on March 18, 2004


She's the self-inflicting Kitty Genovese that we can't help but watch.
Now there's a reference (KG) I haven't heard for years and years. Nice metaphor, jazzkat.

Actually, it was the 40th anniversary this week.

(now back to trashing Courtney and tit-flashing--i thought she was making an anti-FCC point)
posted by amberglow at 2:34 PM on March 18, 2004


yes, but that would make it OK for good-looking people to make fun of other less-appealing people's appearances.

In real life, perhaps so but...

I vote for a total ban on that kind of comments, no matter how good (or bad) one actually looks. it is lame and sexist and makes the whole community look bad. and I mean Usenet-bad.

I agree.
posted by y2karl at 3:53 PM on March 18, 2004


Woah - late to the party here, but I quite like the whole Courtney Love thing. Wilful - yes; borderline manic - aha; self publicising - OK. But there's a part of me that really likes her. And I don't think her last album is all that bad. Really. It's OK.
posted by seanyboy at 4:02 PM on March 18, 2004


Fine, I won't play armchair psychoanalyst either, but all I know is that a friend of mine had to work with her a few years ago for an extended period of time and he said -- dead seriously -- that he thought the sheer cruelty, viciousness, pettiness, unpredictability, and out-and-out abusive egomania he encountered in her was something he had only seen in a childhood acquaintance who used to torture cats and ended up in prison for multiple murders. She was literally uncontrollable -- she possessed absolutely no ability to control herself mentally, physically, or verbally for any period of time: screaming at the drop of a hat, flailing down hallways, pissing in the hallway -- all in a day's work. He said he didn't think either he or his marriage would survive the absolute horror show of being anywhere near her ever again.

I've known bitches. I've been friends with bitches. And that, sir, is no bitch.
posted by scody at 4:36 PM on March 18, 2004


it must be hard having no talent when your husband had lots, and people inevitably want to talk about him all the time

I so cannot wait for the Posh Spice version of Love crash and burn.
posted by ciderwoman at 5:22 PM on March 18, 2004


You got me. I am an (aspiring) closeted asexual.
posted by jonmc at 5:32 PM on March 18, 2004


I watched the Letterman show with Courtney and found it entertaining. She seemed like she was on something, judging from the way she was jumping around, both physically and mentally. That people on drugs act whacky sometimes is no great revelation. And Dave himself seemed pretty out there, losing it over one of the crew interrupting his monologue. Prima donnas, the both of them I say.
posted by Onanist at 7:15 PM on March 18, 2004


Handcuff her to Rush Limbaugh for 12-step reality TV series?

As for the daughter, I think the court gave custody to the grandparents, at least while the dope charges are pending. Money is no substitute for having a Mom who is not a drug-crazed geek, by the way. I'm sure it helps, but still.
posted by crunchburger at 10:05 PM on March 18, 2004


As a celebrity she does what celebrities are supposed to do and that would be to get attention. Her behavior is pretty much the same as it's always been so I'm not sure what the big deal is all about. In reality she never should have been given responsibility for a child just like a lot of other people who have children in the world. But nevertheless I like her. Also she did have her implants removed quite a while ago and she discussed it in a recent interview with Elle magazine if you care. She also killed her dog with them.
posted by oh posey at 5:15 AM on March 19, 2004


HA!
posted by mcgraw at 12:51 PM on March 19, 2004


all I know is that a friend of mine had to work with her a few years ago for an extended period of time and he said -- dead seriously -- that he thought the sheer cruelty, viciousness, pettiness, unpredictability, and out-and-out abusive egomania he encountered in her was something he had only seen in a childhood acquaintance who used to torture cats and ended up in prison for multiple murders

In the 80's a very good friend of mine used to date one of Courtney's ex-boyfriends. She was stalking him and leaving threatening messages on his answering machine at least once a day, usually several times a day. I heard some of those messages - seriously creepy shit. There was some other fucked-up things that occurred that I'm not at liberty to talk about. My friend is still scared of her and Courtney is just crazy enough to go after someone for something that happened decades ago - I'd hate to be judged by things I did twenty years ago, but given that the behavior persists to this day, she seems to be just as much of a psychopath now as she ever has been.
posted by echolalia67 at 1:10 PM on March 19, 2004


moonbiter - I'd hit it.

pyramid termite - You'd regret it.

She definitely would.
posted by moonbiter at 4:30 PM on March 19, 2004


courtney and friend outside wendy's that night--NSFW probably
posted by amberglow at 4:34 PM on March 19, 2004


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