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Those green-blooded, pointy-eared sons of bitches...
posted by inksyndicate at 4:59 PM on April 8, 2004


The Vulcan's what?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 5:11 PM on April 8, 2004


I may be alone on this, but I have no idea what you're talking about.
posted by 4easypayments at 5:15 PM on April 8, 2004


Sorry for the bad link. Vulcan's is a reference to James Mann's recent book The Rise of the Vulcan's: The History of Bush's War Cabinet
posted by thedailygrowl at 5:18 PM on April 8, 2004


whooo! USA USA!
posted by drpartypoopercrankypantsesquire at 5:18 PM on April 8, 2004


Vulcan Group
posted by Elim at 5:21 PM on April 8, 2004


"I am a uniter, not a divider."
posted by badstone at 5:23 PM on April 8, 2004


Sheesh, give the President a break.

Let him enjoy his vacation, you know?
posted by tittergrrl at 5:27 PM on April 8, 2004


Before people start to laugh off the term "vulcan" the same as they did "neoconservative," note that these people called themselves the "Vulcans" when they began advising then-presidential candidate Bush in 2000.

And yes, their dreams of empire had better be ending about now.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 5:31 PM on April 8, 2004


VULCANS VULCANS VULCANS!

You make me crazy with your apostrophe abuse.
posted by majcher at 5:37 PM on April 8, 2004


Iraqi Idol [Flash.]
posted by homunculus at 5:41 PM on April 8, 2004


Most comments here focus upon the Vulcans and ignore the "uniting the Iraquis." Do you really think the two Muslim groups plus the Jurtds will sit down and make nice now? What kept them under wraps was Saddam. Now that he is gone, the country has little or no prospects of peacful and harmonious living with the three groups that have long been at odds with each other.
posted by Postroad at 5:46 PM on April 8, 2004


What Postroad said. They're only united against a common enemy--US. Once they succeed in getting rid of us (which is going to happen sooner rather than later) they'll go back to hating each other.

and those Vulcans should be surrendered up to Sadr's army (or just a group of Iraqi mothers that have lost their children).
posted by amberglow at 5:50 PM on April 8, 2004


Vulcans? Wishful thinking on their part. They always have and still do act more like Klingons...
posted by wendell at 6:13 PM on April 8, 2004


with Michael Dorn as Colin Powell
posted by wendell at 6:15 PM on April 8, 2004


I believe most people (on metafilter anyway) are aware of the Vulcan Group by now, the point of confusion was the possessive apostrophe. Vulcan's.
posted by Hildago at 6:16 PM on April 8, 2004


Postroad, I assume by "Jurdts" you meant "Jurdtz's". An easy mistake to make, I know. Damn consonant's.

Perhaps someone would like to make a case for this thread not deserving to die a quick and painless death. Four spelling/grammatical errors and one bad link in a two-sentence post, not to mention subject matter that's pretty much banned. The debating point could easily have been made in this equally shitty post or this slightly better one.
/meta
posted by cbrody at 6:16 PM on April 8, 2004


cbrody - The post could have been done more artfully, yes.

Ahh, but who now wouldn't wish would that the clock could be rolled back and that the US occupation of Iraq could be magically erased by Matt Haughey's executice fiat.

I know, I know.....there's more to the story.

Of course. I just suspect that it will make me sad to see this "more".
posted by troutfishing at 6:21 PM on April 8, 2004


Before people start to laugh off the term "vulcan" the same as they did "neoconservative," note that these people called themselves the "Vulcans" when they began advising then-presidential candidate Bush in 2000.

Many neoconservatives also referred to themselves as neoconservatives during the past twenty or so years. Of course, this didn't stop them from levelling charges of conspiracy mongering, anti-semitism, etc., whenever someone else referred to them as such.
posted by Ty Webb at 6:38 PM on April 8, 2004


"You make me crazy with your apostrophe abuse."—majcher
Won't someone please think of the apostrophes?
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 7:05 PM on April 8, 2004


Ohhhh, I understand the post: Most neocons are Jews, Leonard Nimoy is a Jew, ergo... no, no, you lost me.
posted by gwint at 7:30 PM on April 8, 2004


"Wolfowitz, what is this consciousness calling you from space?"
posted by inksyndicate at 8:54 PM on April 8, 2004


Just for a moment, let's (let us) consider the following: what if Iraq was an ally to the US, and was being aggressively attacked by Iran? Should the US defend an ally against an invader?

Would it be worth it, even if there was a large "fifth column" of Iran supporters in Iraq?

Okay, now that you have that answer in mind, what if the country was France, and there was a large "fifth column" of Moslems hoping to destroy the French democracy? With help from, say, Morocco, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan and Yemen? Not officially, mind you, but on the sly.

Despite sneers against the French, you wouldn't like the idea of Moslem Theocracy of France, under Sharia Law. At least I would hope.
posted by kablam at 9:54 PM on April 8, 2004


Most comments here focus upon the Vulcans and ignore the "uniting the Iraquis." Do you really think the two Muslim groups plus the Jurtds will sit down and make nice now? What kept them under wraps was Saddam. Now that he is gone, the country has little or no prospects of peacful and harmonious living with the three groups that have long been at odds with each other.

Would have been nice if someone had thought of this earlier.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:05 PM on April 8, 2004


Many neoconservatives also referred to themselves as neoconservatives during the past twenty or so years. Of course, this didn't stop them from levelling charges of conspiracy mongering, anti-semitism, etc., whenever someone else referred to them as such.

Yeah, but for some reason we already lost the ability to have rational discussion about that one, so I was hoping the "Vulcan" thing might go over better.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 11:17 PM on April 8, 2004


Presumably these are vulcans who have moved beyond the "needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few" meme?
posted by biffa at 3:10 AM on April 9, 2004


Empire? I was totally dreaming about Condoleezza last night.
posted by VulcanMike at 6:44 AM on April 9, 2004




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