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	<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:05:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>The end of DIRECTV piracy?</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://terrorfactor.com/recent-dss-news.txt"&gt;The sky is falling!&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;[some links require reg]&lt;/small&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dssdirect.tv/history_of_dss_testing_23_ctg.htm&quot; title=&quot;DSS HACKING HISTORY&quot;&gt;The years&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://slashdot.org/articles/01/01/25/1343218.shtml&quot; title=&quot;Black Sunday&quot;&gt;of&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://66.40.78.100/Products/Books/DSS_Books/&quot; title=&quot;Hackers Catalog DSS Series&quot;&gt;hacking&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hackhu.com/&quot; title=&quot;This site provides information concerning civil and criminal actions brought by DIRECTV against those who illegally design, manufacture, market, sell, or use devices that allow access to satellite signals without payment to DIRECTV&quot;&gt;DIRECTV&apos;s&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.doc50.com/&quot; title=&quot;the HU stream looks as if its taking its last breath&quot;&gt;signal&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dssdirect.tv/categtype_5.htm&quot; title=&quot;DSS Dictionary&quot;&gt;and&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldwidesatellites.com/3m.html&quot; title=&quot;encrypted 3m with built in private no745 software and alt ee lock&quot;&gt;pirating&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://directv.com/&quot; title=&quot;DIRECTV&quot;&gt;its&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://servicedesk.dbstalk.com/DLineUp.htm&quot; title=&quot;DIRECTV channel guide&quot;&gt;program offerings&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dishnewsonline.tv/index.php?action=news&quot; title=&quot;DishNewsOnline: Channels are slowly dropping off the HU cards, PPV is all gone&quot;&gt;seem&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.digitalinsurrection.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=156613&quot; title=&quot;DirecTV Card Swap Complete&quot;&gt;to&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&amp;hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;c2coff=1&amp;safe=off&amp;threadm=1r6r70tt7jeuvvtva9giokrvhi342dhu67%404ax.com&amp;prev=/groups%3Fdq%3D%26num%3D25%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dalt.dss.hack%26c2coff%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26start%3D25&quot; title=&quot;alt.dss.hack: HU shutdown Begins???&quot;&gt;be&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hack-this.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=15862&amp;perpage=15&amp;pagenumber=1&quot; title=&quot;Hack-This.com&quot;&gt;coming&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dssforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7064&quot; title=&quot;DssForum: P3 packet VA losses - HU Stream near its end?&quot;&gt;to&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dssfordummies.com/modules.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=269&quot; title=&quot;HU--Going, Going, Gone?&quot;&gt;an&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.doyourdishes.co.nz/forums/printthread.php?threadid=463&quot; title=&quot;NEW MOVES UP ANTE FOR SATELLITE TV SERVICES, HACKERS&quot;&gt;end&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:52:08 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>johnnydark</dc:creator>		<category>brokenlink</category>
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		<title>By: Smart Dalek</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32489/The-end-of-DIRECTV-piracy#655388</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;&lt;strike&gt;Oh, crap! What am I gonna do with all these HU-cards??&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;/small&gt;
I suppose it was about time this happened. Great links, johnnydark!</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:05:13 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Smart Dalek</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: smackfu</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32489/The-end-of-DIRECTV-piracy#655396</link>	
		<description>The main link isn&apos;t resolving, and the other ones don&apos;t seem to be generic DirectTV hacking links.  What&apos;s the story?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:19:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: thomcatspike</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32489/The-end-of-DIRECTV-piracy#655399</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;What&apos;s the story?&lt;/em&gt;
At this time, no free satellite through Direct. The best part was having all the local channels as in NY, LA &amp;amp; ect...
You could watch a program on a local station hours before or after your regular scheduled time. Found myself having more free time because of it. Plus no cost for pay per view.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:25:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shoepal</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32489/The-end-of-DIRECTV-piracy#655407</link>	
		<description>Nice link(s), johnnydark.  Sad day indeed.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 06:36:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: geoff.</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32489/The-end-of-DIRECTV-piracy#655425</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;What&apos;s the story?&lt;/i&gt;

Well I never got around to setting up one of those fancy emulation things (I&apos;ve always had cable), but from what I can tell in order to combat piracy DTV issues cards. There are a variety of cards like H,HU etc. This gives tells the DTV receiver that you are authorized to view such and such channels (remember nothing is two way with satellite, unlike cable).

From what I gathered (I am not an expert, I tried figuring out how to do emulation once but the amount of things I had to buy plus not knowing exactly what to do convinced me not to do it -- so feel free to correct me), the most popular emulation involved putting a card in the card slot of the DTV. Then running this to a computer&apos;s com port. The computer emulated the card and sent anything it could emulate from a real card attached to the computer (this part confused me the most, was this card hacked?).

The advantage of this was to prevent DTV from sending packets down that would corrupt and destroy hacked cards. The computer emulation was like a firewall of sorts.

So this type of card being emulated is being phased out and there&apos;s a new card on the market. I don&apos;t know what the big deal is, it seems anything can be hacked given time. The only obstacle is I&apos;m sure they&apos;ve actually put a ton of countermeasures in this card and it will just take a while for the DTV hacking community to adjust.

Things like this always interested me because of the unavailability of the subject matter. I like having to figure out how to do things from obscure references and text documents. But it does get really annoying when you can&apos;t put the last piece of the puzzle together. I think the only way really to setup a hacked DTV system is to see what someoen else did or at least talk to someone who&apos;s done it. It&apos;ll get past the whole &quot;u dont understand lol newbie&quot; atmosphere.

Anyway, I&apos;ve never done this as it is not common at all in my area and I had no one to teach me. I&apos;ll stick to legally paying the illegal cable monopoly thank you very much.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 07:08:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: thomcatspike</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32489/The-end-of-DIRECTV-piracy#655487</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;the most popular emulation involved putting a card in the card slot of the DTV. Then running this to a computer&apos;s com port..&lt;/em&gt;

Several years ago while they were zapping all the cards, the legal ones too, this was a common setup. Currently the users are just reprogramming the card with a new script when it is zapped. Finding a script that lasted a good amount of time was the current problem with this. Dish Network has a haX so you may see people switching to them. In the past Direct offered more channels than Dish so that is why I thought people haXed them first.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:28:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Qubit</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32489/The-end-of-DIRECTV-piracy#655528</link>	
		<description>What, so people can&apos;t get free DirectTV anymore? Oh, my heart bleeds for them....not.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:14:39 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Qubit</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: insulglass</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32489/The-end-of-DIRECTV-piracy#655551</link>	
		<description>Dangit, quit linking every other word!!!!    :-)  

Seriously, that makes it difficult to detemine where you REALLY want to go with this post.  Might I suggest a follow up post with additional links?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:34:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: thomcatspike</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32489/The-end-of-DIRECTV-piracy#655707</link>	
		<description>zapped, meaning the stream is gone.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:17:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kremb</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32489/The-end-of-DIRECTV-piracy#655820</link>	
		<description>if man can make it. man can break it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:05:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shepd</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32489/The-end-of-DIRECTV-piracy#655898</link>	
		<description>LOL!  &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.com.com/2100-1023-979001.html&quot;&gt;P4&lt;/a&gt; hack out in 3...2...1...

DirecTV, et al. will NEVER win until they make their systems two way.  Too much &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.08/satellite.html?pg=1&amp;topic=&quot;&gt;money&lt;/a&gt; in hacking popular satellite TV.  *WAY* too much.  Read the article and see what I mean.  And it&apos;s only gotten BIGGER over time.

thomcatspike, DirecTV is hacked more because:

 - All &quot;good&quot; programming on one satellite.
 - *EASY* to hack.
 - Hacked for far longer.
 - More &quot;dealer&quot; hacks, fewer &quot;homebrew&quot; hacks (means much more money for people in the business of piracy).
 - Requires special hardware (again, meaning most users bring their cards to dealers to get them programmed, and the dealer gets a monthly income).
 - More receivers means more supply, and more stealth when hiding in numbers.
 - DirecTV doesn&apos;t damage receivers, just cards.  Dishnetwork&apos;s ECMs can ruin the OS on your receiver  --  No soldering required with DirecTV.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 19:47:03 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>shepd</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Keyser Soze</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32489/The-end-of-DIRECTV-piracy#655980</link>	
		<description>It is silly to say that hacking something will become impossible.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:42:35 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keyser Soze</dc:creator>
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