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Two HIV Cases Put a Scare Into P9rn (LATimes) Several major adult movie companies — including the industry's largest, Vivid — have decided to stop filming for 60 days after two stars tested positive for HIV. But other companies dismissed the plea for a moratorium, calling it "paranoid" and "knee-jerk," and vowed to keep their cameras rolling. The industry, they said, was perfectly safe."I'm against any stop in production," said a producer "It will put a lot of people out of business. You'll have people who will start losing their apartments. It's just not fair." When do adult movies (a hugely profitable business where unprotected sex is often performed) end being sexy and start being "Russian Roulette on dvd" scary? The two actors who have tested positive for the HIV virus are identified as Darren James and Lara Roxx. Roxx (who's 18 or 19) had only been in the adult industry for three months. 45 actors and actresses who subsequently either worked with James or the women he had sex with after contracting the virus, which is believed to have occurred in Brazil (where, incidentally, star and director John Stagliano -- not completely work-safe link -- says he caught AIDS in 1997), have been identified, too. warning: except the Stagliano link, all the others are work-safe. (more inside)
posted by matteo (72 comments total)

 
hurry matteo! more inside! cut the whappa!
posted by quonsar at 2:05 PM on April 16, 2004


Of course one of the industry's most famous AIDS victims comes to mind, John Holmes, whose life (which ended in 1988) inspired at least two mainstream movies, Boogie Nights and Wonderland . more recent adult-film AIDS case: Anne Marie Ballowe . The LA Times notes a marked contrast with the gay porn industry: nearly all gay porn films involve condom usage. They quote the director of Aid for AIDS as saying "gay actors and gay viewers don't see unprotected sex as a fantasy. They see it as watching death on the screen."
Who's going to end up taking care of the AIDS in San Fernando Valley problem: the John Ashcroft "sex is evil" squad or a "unsafe work conditions should be illegal" more legalistic, less ideological crowd?

quonsar: no whappa. FireFox.

posted by matteo at 2:12 PM on April 16, 2004


Why do more and more people refuse to write the word as "porn"? Is it just because it's cool hacker speak or because we somehow feel the word is dirty? Or maybe we're just avoding filters. (self-censorship? Ashcroft would be proud)

I'm surprised that HIV is not more common in the porn industry. I know there are mandatory tests, but HIV often won't show up on a test for up to six months.
posted by jeblis at 2:13 PM on April 16, 2004


For those who don't feel like drudging through the "business of porn" links, the industry employs at least 6,000 people in Southern California and grosses (literally, some may argue) more than *lame dr Evil voice* 10 billion dollars a year.
There's even X-rated film school now:
"How to Shoot Your own Live Adult Video," a workshop in lower Manhattan, is one of many classes given across the country on how to profit from a porn industry that grossed billions of dollars last year.


to lighten up the gloomy tone of the post, there's a suggestion for the more adventurous MeFites who feel like experimenting (in a safe, respectful manner) with their loved one and a digital video camera:
"The thing that screams 'amateur' is poorly lit genitalia," Gallant said. "Amber filters work the best for all skin colors, pink just looks too fake. Remember that when you are shooting."

Is it just because it's cool hacker speak or because we somehow feel the word is dirty? Or maybe we're just avoding filters.
jeblis: I understand some of us access MeFi from work ("Get Paid to Surf the Web: Read MetaFilter at Work", a wise one said). also, I don't want the word "porn" to turn up on the Front Page. I've studied at Catholic school, for Chrissakes
posted by matteo at 2:23 PM on April 16, 2004


I am curious - how many movies does the porn industry churn out in a given day? A hundred? Maybe two? So 60 days - thats like 6000 movies. (!!!)

How are we ever going to cope!
posted by Quartermass at 2:34 PM on April 16, 2004


how many movies does the porn industry churn out in a given day?

Quatermass' question makes me wonder, and I'm being serious, given the number of sex acts in the porn industry during a given year, how does the STD rate compare with those of us outside the industry?
posted by Stoatfarm at 2:55 PM on April 16, 2004


The HIV rate is very low. According to the article I read, this is the first outbreak since 1999. They are very aggressive with testing, and contrary to what jeblis says, the new HIV tests (the ones used by the industry) will show positive results very soon (days or weeks) after infection.

As these articles show, they are also very strong on partner notification.
posted by alms at 2:59 PM on April 16, 2004


It's fun to see Steve Croft at the Vegas porn convention. I bet he has a huge.. eh . . concern for these things.

Good post.
posted by mr.marx at 2:59 PM on April 16, 2004


Stoatfarm,
last year the LATimes mentioned that when it comes to non-HIV infections (ie herpes, chlamydia, gonorrhea, etc), the STD infection rate is very high: 40% of all professional adult film performers have at least one, very often more than one of these infections
San Zovirax Valley, indeed
posted by matteo at 2:59 PM on April 16, 2004


Anecdotally, I would expect that porn stars have a greater chance of dying from a drug overdose or HIV.

There are also many other professions that are much more dangerous (not to mention less fun).
posted by alms at 3:03 PM on April 16, 2004


Some STD data are summarized in this LA Times article that was about Ms. Ballowe's attempt to sue for unsafe workplace conditions as a result of her contracting HIV.

Although the data are not all that reliable because of sample limitations, etc., the STD rates are much higher in the industry (e.g, 17% positive for chlamydia vs 0.3% in the general population).
posted by jasper411 at 3:06 PM on April 16, 2004


Anecdotally, I would expect that porn stars have a greater chance of dying from a drug overdose or HIV.

This I don't buy at all. Re: The HIV: I mean, they get tested for std every three weeks. And so does the people they fuck.
I'd imagine the average "let's hit it" dude hasn't been to the doctor's office in a couple of years now, you know, since that girl he fucked once called and gave him some bad news.

(And for the non lethal std's, I think they don't really care. I asume a couple of weeks on antibiotics is like a hockey pro having a sprained ankle or something)

Re: The drug overdose, ommit "porn" from "porn stars" and it's still just as likely.
posted by mr.marx at 3:19 PM on April 16, 2004


First thing, I am not surprised that the industry has a low HIV problem. The entire adult industry has always wanted very strict rules and regulations from government so they can be definitely legal, and not be the play toy of some ambitious prosecutor with an agenda. That sort of mindset leads to strict self-regulation, be it the shutting out of child porn or self-protection from HIV.

But the other venereal diseases fly in the face of this idea, and that is a paradox. Either there is an industry-wide acceptance of VD as a unavoidable "job hazard", or there is no mechanism in place where someone can go and get a spectrum VD analysis, or such an analysis is prohibitively expensive. Add to that the incurable diseases, such as genital warts.

This becomes most serious not with HIV, but with Hepatitis C, a very dangerous and life-threatening disease.
posted by kablam at 3:35 PM on April 16, 2004


Live by the sword, die by the sword...
posted by Slothrup at 3:58 PM on April 16, 2004


They quote the director of Aid for AIDS as saying "gay actors and gay viewers don't see unprotected sex as a fantasy. They see it as watching death on the screen."

I like that, especially if you do a search of any gay cruising board/site/forum/etc (not to mention non-electronic forms of communication) you'll find an awful lot of guys looking to have unprotected sex with HIV+ men. I'm fascinated with the HIV/AIDS community trying to sweep stuff like that under the rug with generalized statements.

To be honest, the culprit isn't the industry itself, rather the people it attracts. People who are likely to go to lesser developed countries for gonzo shoots and end up doing scenes with locals/amateurs who just don't care (eg Stagliano). People who believe they're either indestructable or have incredibly low self-worth. Considering no one in this thread has admitted to being a performer in this industry what's the real concern with this issue? Is it that we're feeling guilty for having watched? Do we feel like we're contributing to the danger by supporting the product?
posted by raygun21 at 3:58 PM on April 16, 2004


I don't want the word "porn" to turn up on the Front Page. I've studied at Catholic school, for Chrissakes

Intentional or not, that was funny, matteo.
posted by pmurray63 at 4:00 PM on April 16, 2004


40% of all professional adult film performers have at least one, very often more than one of these infections
the STD rates are much higher in the industry (e.g, 17% positive for chlamydia vs 0.3% in the general population).

Talk about occupational hazards. Also keep in mind that multiple infectious diseases can progressively weaken your immune system and therefore progressively open the door to more serious illness and that, if I'm not mistaken, some STDs can be caught through kisses or oral sex even when exterior symptoms are not present (I'm not sure on that-- correct me if I'm wrong).

Re: The HIV: I mean, they get tested for std every three weeks. And so does the people they f.

Wrong. Only the people they work with in the porn business. What about the "escort services" so many porn stars are said to perform?
posted by 111 at 4:05 PM on April 16, 2004


raygun21: I don't think the fascination is limited to the porn industry. When a restaurant has a bad dish that makes ten people sick, it often makes the national news. I think it is regarded as newsworthy when there is a combination of people getting hurt and an industry reaction.
It also isn't fair to assume that people in the porn industry have lots of "issues", or at least that people with "issues" are limited to the porn industry. Take a group of therapists, fast food workers, or mainstream movie actors and you'll probably find as many head problems.

If you are interested in adult actors as people, I highly recommend visiting the RAME website, the website of the rec.arts.movies.erotica newsgroup.
Most adult actors are interested in the business of adult movies, that is, their careers--self promotion, and money.
But they also debate, loudly, the issues of their industry.
posted by kablam at 4:16 PM on April 16, 2004


Wrong. Only the people they work with in the porn business. What about the "escort services" so many porn stars are said to perform?

Well. I imagine you'd have to pay a f'in fortune to do a pornstar without a condom.
posted by mr.marx at 4:18 PM on April 16, 2004


if you do a search of any gay cruising board/site/forum/etc (not to mention non-electronic forms of communication) you'll find an awful lot of guys looking to have unprotected sex with HIV+ men

healthy guys or hiv+ guys...?
posted by mr.marx at 4:21 PM on April 16, 2004


especially if you do a search of any gay cruising board/site/forum/etc (not to mention non-electronic forms of communication) you'll find an awful lot of guys looking to have unprotected sex with HIV+ men.

What? Am I missing something? Do you mean HIV+ men looking for sex with other HIV+ men? Otherwise I don't get it. Excuse my ignorance in advance.
posted by loquax at 4:23 PM on April 16, 2004


Good, I'm not the only one confused.
posted by loquax at 4:24 PM on April 16, 2004


"you'll find an awful lot of guys looking to have unprotected sex with HIV+ "

Hmm. This thread is treading on dangerous territory. Words like "a lot" and "are said to", "the people who are attracted to", and "your typical XYZ" trigger doubt in me. Do we know what we are talking about, or just thinking about what we believe to be true.

There was a sensationist article in Rollingstone about "bug-chasers", which triggered a maelstrom of articles in the press. Has it been hushed up? Not really. Nobody likes to see the fringes of their group take center stage. Observations like Raygun's morph from "a lot" and"the type of people" to "typical" fairly easily.

Personally, I know very little about porn or porn actors (I am not a frequent consumer, to say the least), and would love to hear from people do KNOW. I have never met a bug-chaser, and suspect that there are very, very few. (in fact, large parts of the rollingstone article are highly suspect)

Repeating perceived feelings and observations is dangerous: it reinforces prejudices and clouds issues.
posted by gesamtkunstwerk at 4:33 PM on April 16, 2004


mr. marx and loquax, there have been reports of HIV negative men that seek sex with HIV positive men in order to become infected. There was a discussion in this thread from last year.
posted by eastlakestandard at 4:35 PM on April 16, 2004


healthy guys or hiv+ guys...?

The phenomenon of HIV- guys looking to be infected is very rare; the CBC did a documentary piece on it a couple of years back. You can watch it here.

Poz guys looking for poz guys to bareback with (a la Andrew Sullivan), while much more common, is also horrible, because there are different strains of HIV, and it's possible to become cross-infected. It also increases the likelihood of mutations that could produce new and unpredictable HIV strains. Not to mention, the poz guys are vulnerable to other STDs.
posted by stonerose at 4:39 PM on April 16, 2004


and what gesamtkunstwerk said.
posted by stonerose at 4:40 PM on April 16, 2004


Just a passus: Last week the debut movie of Sweden's newest gay porn star Tag Eriksson premiered. Interesting not because the film was anticipated, but because Tag's real name is Fredrik Eklund, former (he quit to pursue his new dream..) CEO of Swedish dotcom Humany and son of one of Sweden's most well known economists Klas Eklund.

Did I say funny? I meant hilarious.
posted by mr.marx at 4:41 PM on April 16, 2004


Did you say funny? I meant studtacular.
;-)
posted by stonerose at 4:44 PM on April 16, 2004


mr. marx and loquax, there have been reports of HIV negative men that seek sex with HIV positive men in order to become infected.

and if true, the problem would be exactly what? it's an economic problem now?

on preview: yeah stonerose, he's a hunk. and I'm straight.
posted by mr.marx at 4:45 PM on April 16, 2004


Well I guess that porn stars really could use a relatively unexpensive test that takes only 3-4 hours to be done.

I mean, if such a quick test doesn't exist, porn industry has a very big interest into pouring money into research on this and the fallbacks of such research could be good for all the population, as the investment could be used as further proof porn business is not necessarily always "evil".

And sure as hell porn biz has some money to invest.
posted by elpapacito at 4:46 PM on April 16, 2004


Anecdotally, I would expect that porn stars have a greater chance of dying from a drug overdose or HIV.

erp, I meant to say "a greater chance of dying from a drug overdose than from HIV.

Serves me right for trying to post to a porno discussion from work!
posted by alms at 4:52 PM on April 16, 2004


porn industry has a very big interest into pouring money into research on this

I would have thought this was only the case if it was beginning to be difficult to find people who were willing to enter the industry. If its the case that some people are being infected (ie bearing the costs) whilst others are still making the money then there's no incentive for the money makers to invest anything.
posted by biffa at 4:53 PM on April 16, 2004


This rapid test (2-minutes) is undergoing clinical trials in Canada. It'd be nice if the porno industry would send a few billion bucks worth of test kits and antiretrovirals over to Africa... but, like the pharma manufacturers, they're not in the business of compassion, are they?
posted by stonerose at 4:54 PM on April 16, 2004


Business proposal: STD-FREE-DVD
Get porn, no diseases!

Of course this would only work if you also had "STD-DVD - Jerk off and catch the bug!"

posted by mr.marx at 4:58 PM on April 16, 2004


"The thing that screams 'amateur' is poorly lit genitalia," Gallant said. "Amber filters work the best for all skin colors, pink just looks too fake. Remember that when you are shooting."

Paging amberglow... the jig is up!
posted by stonerose at 5:01 PM on April 16, 2004


good, massive story in tomorrow's (or today's, depends on your location -- well, on Saturday's) Independent (all emphasis mine):

LA's sex business grinds to a halt over Aids scare

The Canadian porn performer known as Lara Roxx started working in the industry just three months ago, but her career is already over. Sometime last month, the sultry-eyed teenager was hired to fly down to Los Angeles' San Fernando Valley - the epicentre of the US porn industry - to appear in a hardcore production in which she was asked to have sex with three different men at the same time.
Her agent, Daniel Perreault, now claims that he urged her not to do the job, arguing that at 18 or 19 (reports of her age vary) she was too young and inexperienced to take part in a group scene, including a manoeuvre known in the pseudo-technical jargon of the industry as a "double anal".
Whether or not it was elaborated with the benefit of hindsight, his warning now seems eerily prophetic. It was Roxx's bad luck that one of her fellow performers, Darren James, had contracted HIV during a trip to Brazil two weeks earlier, and had yet to be diagnosed. It was her further bad luck that she, in turn, became infected by him.
Her Aids test came back positive this week, just days after James was confirmed with the same diagnosis. And the porn industry has been thrown into turmoil - perhaps its biggest crisis since the Reagan era, when the dangers of Aids first became apparent and the presidential Meese commission made a highly publicised, if ultimately futile, attempt to crack down on smut once and for all.
Jim South, the leading agent of the porn world, calls this crisis "one of the worst". Several high-profile performers, including top industry star Jenna Jameson and Mary Carey - briefly in the news last year because she, along with 160 others, ran for governor of California - have called for a tightening of the porn world's already stringent rules on testing for Aids and other sexually transmitted diseases.
The threat of widespread infection may, ultimately, be just one of the industry's worries. While extensive testing is carried out on Darren James's partners, and his partners' partners, most of the industry has agreed to abide by a two-month moratorium. In a business estimated to be worth anywhere from $2bn (£1.1bn) to $13bn a year, that means tens of millions of dollars or more in lost revenue. Performers, many of whom live close to the edge, are likely to face evictions, family breakdowns and lapses into drug or alcohol addictions.
Even more seriously, the HIV outbreak and the attendant publicity could be just the opening the Bush administration has been looking for to enact its very own version of the Meese commission, or something even more stringent
. John Ashcroft, the ultra-right-wing attorney general, declared war on porn from his first day in office, blaming the Clinton administration - rather than the advent of the internet - for allowing it to thrive and grow through the 1990s. In his first year, Mr Ashcroft placed porn on a priority list from which the more immediate national danger of terrorism was glaringly absent.
Last summer, the Justice Department launched the first federal obscenity prosecutions in a decade, arresting two porn producers who specialised in particularly extreme films depicting women being raped and murdered. Another 49 people are believed to be under investigation.
Responding to the HIV outbreak, performer Mike Mudd wrote yesterday: "Wait till the blue meanies in DC hear about this one." He even wondered whether this might not be "the end of porn". Such predictions are almost certainly overstated - HIV outbreaks do periodically occur, the last one dating back to 1999 - but the sense of panic is very real.

posted by matteo at 5:05 PM on April 16, 2004


"Lara Roxx" is as good a name as "Duke L33t".

That Independent article is good though, thanks.
posted by mr.marx at 5:13 PM on April 16, 2004


mr.marx, pornstar, imho, is a term that actually applies only to a handful of people-- say Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick and a few others. Most pornstars are probably obscure, struggling people only a porn-addict would recognize on the street, and I'm willing to bet more than one of them have had sex without condoms or will do so given the right amount of money.

At any rate, it seems pretty clear to me these people lead extremely dangerous lifestyles. If you have twice as much sexual relations with ten times more people than the average person, your chances of dealing with a torn condom, for instance, increase substantially.

Finally, although I can't prove this and I absolutely admit it's a bit of a prejudiced theory, I suspect that when you're having a huge amount of sex for mostly professional reasons you're likely to go after some extreme and, consequently, dangerous variations.
posted by 111 at 5:15 PM on April 16, 2004


Also keep in mind that multiple infectious diseases can progressively weaken your immune system...

...Poz guys looking for poz guys to bareback with (a la Andrew Sullivan), while much more common, is also horrible, because there are different strains of HIV, and it's possible to become cross-infected. It also increases the likelihood of mutations that could produce new and unpredictable HIV strains. Not to mention, the poz guys are vulnerable to other STDs.


That sounds quite credible, but I'd like some citations.
posted by dash_slot- at 5:27 PM on April 16, 2004


Statistically, porn stars have far lower rates of STD infection than their cohorts in the same age group. That the entire industry can be configured to shut down if any performers get infected -- and there hasn't been a shutdown in five years -- is pretty noticable.
posted by effugas at 5:34 PM on April 16, 2004


mr.marx, pornstar, imho, is a term that actually applies only to a handful of people-- say Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick and a few others. Most pornstars are probably obscure, struggling people only a porn-addict would recognize on the street, and I'm willing to bet more than one of them have had sex without condoms or will do so given the right amount of money.

I wouldn't know about that. But I suspect even the most depraved crack-whore would charge big money for unprotected sex.

At any rate, it seems pretty clear to me these people lead extremely dangerous lifestyles. If you have twice as much sexual relations with ten times more people than the average person, your chances of dealing with a torn condom, for instance, increase substantially.


Agreed

Finally, although I can't prove this and I absolutely admit it's a bit of a prejudiced theory, I suspect that when you're having a huge amount of sex for mostly professional reasons you're likely to go after some extreme and, consequently, dangerous variations.

No offence, but this is probably just in your mind. I have yet to read about a porn actress/actor who doesn't has a very regular sex life off screen.
posted by mr.marx at 5:43 PM on April 16, 2004


Everyone say it with me: schadenfreude!

It also isn't fair to assume that people in the porn industry have lots of "issues", or at least that people with "issues" are limited to the porn industry.
I never assumed that limitation at all, just trying to stay on topic. What I was getting into was that this industry attracts a high number of people with emotional problems. It is *these* issues that I believe lead to "dangerous behavior." Not the industry itself necessarily. There are people that have much more dangerous jobs, but they don't go out on a Friday night and mine coal without safety equipment. I also didn't think that discussing the psychological profiles of waiters was very relevant. I guess what I am (eventually) getting at is that they put themselves into positions (no pun intended but I wish I had) where they are more likely to catch something than you are at the bar.

Re: Rollingstone Article
I knew someone would bring that up, or at least the Dan Savage response to it. I was too damn lazy to do any looking/linking. I think it's funny they way people pull that out whenever someone brings up bugchasers. "See! It was a poorly written/researched article and the sky isn't falling." I've never read that article so my opinions are based on personal investigation/experience and conversations I've had.


damn, it's been a while. I forgot how freakin' pedantic you guys get.
posted by raygun21 at 5:43 PM on April 16, 2004


Statistically, porn stars have far lower rates of STD infection than their cohorts in the same age group.

Let me see if I get that right: you're saying pornstars have lower rates of STDs than other adults their age? Because that is the exact opposite of the other data people have quoted above.
posted by 111 at 5:47 PM on April 16, 2004


That sounds quite credible, but I'd like some citations.

avec plaisir, dash_slot-

Here's some material on strains of HIV, and cross-infection.

Here's something about HIV mutation, which says "The AIDS virus has been described as a "genetic moving target" because of its frustrating ability to rapidly mutate and escape the body's efforts to neutralize or destroy it. In fact, up to dozens of strains can develop within the same person."

The bit about poz guys being susceptible to other STDs is pretty much common knowledge, but if you need links I can dig 'em up.
posted by stonerose at 5:58 PM on April 16, 2004


You guys might be missing the ol' Big Picture here.

When I first read the initial articles about this, I went to the UseNet to get some in-depth gossip ... and discovered that the industry is convinced that California is now poised to exploit this incident to obliterate the p0rn industry in their state by burying it under a mountain Health Department regulations. The idea is to combine a number reasonable and sane ordinances (that few people would argue against) with a excessive mountain of punative and heavily burdensome measures that are optimized to make compliance virtually impossible.

In this current puritanical environment, where Janet Jackson's nipple is held to be a sign of the coming apocalypse, I suspect there will be quite a backlash spurred on by resume-stuffers from both major parties.
posted by RavinDave at 6:52 PM on April 16, 2004


Citizens are advised to begin stockpiling porn for emergencies.
posted by jonmc at 7:30 PM on April 16, 2004


Lemme get this straight ... there are people in the porn industry that have AIDS? I never would have expected that.
posted by MidasMulligan at 7:35 PM on April 16, 2004


Actually statistically I'd imagine probably 40% of 20 somethings get an STD of some kind or other. Heck according to the CDC , there's 20 million Americans with HPV alone and they estimate that 50% of sexually active people will get it in their lifetime. Many people are asymptomatic though.

Here's some more CDC numbers.
posted by aaronscool at 7:41 PM on April 16, 2004


Last summer, the Justice Department launched the first federal obscenity prosecutions in a decade, arresting two porn producers who specialised in particularly extreme films depicting women being raped and murdered.

I don't want to live in John Ashcroft's world any more than most people here, but I view the above prosecution as a good thing. There has to be some limits on how far this stuff goes.
posted by TimTypeZed at 8:23 PM on April 16, 2004


There has to be some limits on how far this stuff goes.

thanks for the insight, mom.
posted by mrgrimm at 9:25 PM on April 16, 2004


thanks for the insight, mom

So good to hear from you. Your father and I worry so. Still burying the bodies back behind the barn?

When regulatory agencies here in Canada decided to no longer prohibit the showing and sale of sexually explicit material, depictions of violence, humiliation and degradation in these films continued to be restricted. To me, this always seemed an effective compromise between the right of adults to determine what they view in their own homes and the need of governments to ensure the safety and dignity of all their citizens.

So all I'm saying is that I don't think the curtailing of a couple guys' production of tales of rape and murder for sexual stimulation is a sign that Ashcroft's Fundamentalist Army is now marching up your walk preparing to seize your treasured collection of Japanese schoolgirl pissing porn.

Oh, you didn't think I knew. A mother knows. But we love you anyway, our dear boy.
posted by TimTypeZed at 10:47 PM on April 16, 2004


First they tried to get rid of scat porn, but you were too scared shitless to do anything...

Then they tried to abolish golden showers, but you got all pissy when I said we should protest.

Then they tried to outlaw beastiality, but you were too chicken-shit to do anything.

Now they're trying to get rid of plain-ol-sex porn, and you still couldn't give a fuck.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 3:23 AM on April 17, 2004


(Another variation that popped into my head)...

...Then we bought all those anal DVD's, and you wrecked 'em.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 3:26 AM on April 17, 2004


But I suspect even the most depraved crack-whore would charge big money for unprotected sex.

LOL

Wait...you were kidding, right?
posted by rushmc at 10:20 AM on April 17, 2004


oh! C_D's game is fun...

When they tried to get rid of S&M, you said your hands were tied.

When they came for the bukkake, you simply closed your eyes.
posted by stonerose at 10:59 AM on April 17, 2004


*opens umbrella*
posted by matteo at 11:05 AM on April 17, 2004


When they came for masochism, I told them they'd have to beat it out of me.
posted by trondant at 1:41 PM on April 17, 2004


When they came for squish, you turned on your heel.
posted by dmt at 6:13 PM on April 17, 2004 [1 favorite]


...you turned on your heel

We have a winner, folks.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 8:41 PM on April 17, 2004


It's times like these I love MeFi with all my heart and soul.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:58 PM on April 17, 2004


When they came for the rimjobs, I told them to kiss my ass.
posted by jonmc at 9:04 PM on April 17, 2004


I have heard from good sources that Darren James engaged in sex with transexuals in Brazil.
posted by andryeevna at 12:02 AM on April 18, 2004


When they banned pedophilia, you said they must be kidding.
posted by CountZero at 2:13 AM on April 18, 2004


biffa: yeah indeed the industry could just replace the actors, but it's now news that there's a problem with HIV tests, as apparently HIV infection isn't revealed by test immediately after becoming infected. So if you can't rely actor and actresses to stup fucking around ;) and you also can't rely on HIV tests, well the price for taking the risks should rise (if you let people know) which should reduce the number of people trying to join porn industry (which is already pretty selective as far as I know)
posted by elpapacito at 1:34 PM on April 18, 2004


Was anyone else struck by this odd wording from Matteo's article?
Her agent, Daniel Perreault, now claims that he urged her not to do the job, arguing that at 18 or 19 (reports of her age vary) she was too young and inexperienced to take part in a group scene, including a manoeuvre known in the pseudo-technical jargon of the industry as a "double anal".
Whether or not it was elaborated with the benefit of hindsight, his warning now seems eerily prophetic.
posted by me & my monkey at 5:00 PM on April 18, 2004


When they came for necrophilia porn, I told them over my dead body.
posted by vito90 at 5:54 PM on April 18, 2004


I was wondering when you would come upon this thread, vito90.

.
posted by stonerose at 6:17 PM on April 18, 2004


You couldn't get the sight of them coming after voyeur films out of your mind after they exposed their intentions.
posted by five fresh fish at 2:07 AM on April 19, 2004


You thought they were horsing around with the ban on bestiality, until they ponied up the punishment.
posted by five fresh fish at 2:11 AM on April 19, 2004


stonerose, my pappy always taught me to choose my moments.

When they came for the snuff films, I told them they'd have to kill me first.
posted by vito90 at 5:49 AM on April 19, 2004


When they came for the mile high club porn, I told them I didn't give a flying fuck.
posted by Divine_Wino at 9:07 AM on April 19, 2004


Porn Actors' Struggles Began Long Before HIV
The plight of 'Darren James' and 'Lara Roxx' is a microcosm of the industry's dangers.



Roxx, meanwhile, shot five sex scenes with four men the day she and James worked together. And she was just getting started. Her goal was to return to Montreal with $30,000.
Instead, her life crumbled. On March 25, the morning after her shoot, she woke up with a severe bacterial infection that forced the cancellation of scenes that Hope had booked. Her relationship with him blew up, and he kicked her out of the $2,000-plus-a-month apartment, leaving her sick, homeless and without a car or a driver's license.
She ended up, she said, in a $43.95-a-night motel in Van Nuys where she stayed for the next two weeks, thanks to handouts from strangers and $500 wired by her relatives.
Her health was also deteriorating. She visited the West Oaks Urgent Care Center clinic in Winnetka on March 25 and March 27 for her infection.
James, too, was ill. He thought he had been infected by a spider bite in Brazil and went to the AIM clinic in early April, asking for another HIV test. On April 10, Roxx went to Northridge Hospital Medical Center because of a sore throat and was diagnosed with viral pharyngitis.
On April 13, AIM officials spread the word that James' HIV test had come back positive.
Rayveness tracked down Roxx at the motel to tell her. Two days after that, Roxx tested positive as well. Her first thought, she said, was, "I want my mommy."
By then, James had disappeared. Friends were so worried that they broke into his apartment, expecting to find his corpse. A week later, he turned up at a hospital in San Diego County.
"When he realized where he was," said another nephew, Anthony Edwards of Michigan, "he couldn't remember how he'd gotten there."


posted by matteo at 9:43 AM on May 5, 2004


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