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	<title>Comments on: low-impact living</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:02:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>low-impact living</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32546/lowimpact-living</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.lowimpact.org/infosheets.htm"&gt;The low-impact living initiative&lt;/a&gt; produces information sheets on a range of low-impact topics. Don&apos;t believe the hype.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:31:45 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sudama</dc:creator>		<category>environment</category>		<category>brokenlink</category>
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		<title>By: stbalbach</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32546/lowimpact-living#656585</link>	
		<description>Not to be trite but I see no hype the link is right.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:02:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ryvar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32546/lowimpact-living#656588</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m still not understanding why humanity doesn&apos;t just opt to all live in giant underground cities ala Asimov&apos;s Caves of Steel.  It just . . . doesn&apos;t make any sense to me to live aboveground.  Never has.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:03:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mrgrimm</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32546/lowimpact-living#656593</link>	
		<description>ha. that site is almost the complete opposite of hype. great information, though. thanks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:18:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sudama</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32546/lowimpact-living#656596</link>	
		<description>That was sort of an oblique statement. I was kidding, on the square.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:26:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sfenders</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32546/lowimpact-living#656600</link>	
		<description>Solar power for everyone.  With a government grant paying 50% of the cost, you can break even on your $30000 solar panels in just 50 years!  I&apos;m sure they&apos;d need replacing only once or twice in that period, and the batteries only about 10 times.  I wonder if they factored that in.

Bee-keeping sounds like fun though.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:37:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rough ashlar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32546/lowimpact-living#656654</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;With a government grant paying 50% of the cost, you can break even on your $30000 solar panels in just 50 years! &lt;/i&gt;

Where are you being overcharged for your panels, undercharged for electricity and not able to do a grid intertie?


Because panels are now &apos;on sale&apos; at $2.50 a watt, grid interties mean no batteries, and some panels have been going for 30+ years.   Technologhy has moved forward, you might want to consider moving with  technology.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2004 05:01:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sfenders</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32546/lowimpact-living#656684</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;overcharged for your panels,&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps.  The linked article, had you bothered to glance at it, says &#163;16000 for a 2.4kW system (installed).  About $12/W.  

&lt;i&gt;undercharged for electricity&lt;/i&gt;

Hardly.  They quote 7.9p / kWh.

I recently read elsewhere that solar panels typically decline in output by a couple percent per year.  Is that accurate?  In 30 yrs they might be still going, but not exactly going strong.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:25:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gesamtkunstwerk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32546/lowimpact-living#656703</link>	
		<description>I really liked the information on cleaning products. My mother, a chemist, insists that the suggested amounts on the back of most cleaning products is generally higher than the staturation point, thus a huge waste of money. Using cheap home-made products is good enough for most messes.I used to be good about doing this, and saved a lot of $$, but I&apos;ve been lazy. I&apos;ve had good luck cleaning with vinegar and soda. Any other endorsements?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:00:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PrinceValium</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32546/lowimpact-living#656715</link>	
		<description>Linking to PDF&apos;s is not low-impact web design.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:29:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ZenMasterThis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32546/lowimpact-living#656772</link>	
		<description>See also: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.internaturally.com/catlifbooks.html &quot;&gt;Living Naked and Frugal: A Handbook for Parsimonious Nudity.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:54:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: evening</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32546/lowimpact-living#656791</link>	
		<description>gesamtkunstwerk  - I pretty much use 2 things to clean with that I got from a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671535951/qid=1082245946/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-6114632-0758348?v=glance&amp;s=books&quot;&gt;book&lt;/a&gt; full of cleaning recipes (which all use pretty much the same ingredients).

Scrub: baking soda, castile soap, water, a little bit of vinegar and essential oil if you want a particular scent

Spray: water, castile soap, tea tree oil, and again essential oil

That scrub is great stuff, esp. in the kitchen and bathroom.  If you need something with a little more scrub power, just use more baking soda (does wonders on the kitchen sink!). 

The thing about castile soap that is so good is that it&apos;s not as &quot;strong&quot; as most liquid soaps which are more like detergents (and give you lots of suds).  So it doesn&apos;t take much to rinse castile soap, which is good when you&apos;re cleaning.

Oh - and vinegar/water solution is another great all-purpose cleaner for glass or disinfecting.  Can also use as a &quot;rinse&quot; for the scrub.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2004 16:54:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ZenMasterThis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/32546/lowimpact-living#656833</link>	
		<description>evening: Don&apos;t stare at the label of Dr. Bronner&apos;s Castile Soap too long; it could turn you into a ChristyFundy!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:12:36 -0800</pubDate>
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