Incidentally, these ancient artifacts disprove the folk wisdom that glows "flows" or "sags" in old windows. If glass could visibly sag in a mere 150 years; then how could these 2000 year old specimens be anything other than puddles? The bottom line: glass does not "flow" in human timescales. As to whether or not glass could be properly called a "liquid", that is a question of nomenclature and various disciplines disagree on it. Materials Scientists, however, do not consider glass a "liquid".
These are wonderful, wonderful links and I beg forgiveness if in any way this comment derails the thread. Something about the post, though, made me think someone, somehow, somewhere, would comment on glass being a "liquid" and I thought I'd stop that nonsense in its tracks. If someone wants to argue about it, please just email me or something. posted by Ethereal Bligh at 7:10 AM on April 18, 2004
those are some amazing pieces, and the hi-res links are even more spectacular. funny how we get most of this stuff as the result of cities being destroyed yet preserved -- I think pompeii is one of the most interesting places on earth (but herculaneum I found very boring for some reason...)
no argument against the state of glass here (bottom of pane thicker == result of early mfgr technique); but the pitch-drop experiment is pretty neat. posted by dorian at 7:55 AM on April 18, 2004
"Roman glassware provides some of the best available evidence that types of soda-lime glass are not fluid, even after nearly 2000 years." posted by bingo at 7:58 AM on April 18, 2004
Carter: A pint of bitter
Carter: in a thin glass!
great links!
i would agree that most windows that are thick on the bottom are thick because of manufacturing, but ancient glassware has done little to the flowing glass argument. A thin heavily leaded glass pane on it's edge in the sun is what is rumored to flow visibly within 150 years.
bingo: that one is amazing, what do you think his expression is of? posted by 12345 at 12:06 AM on April 19, 2004
Yeah, except it doesn't happen. posted by Ethereal Bligh at 3:24 AM on April 19, 2004
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These are wonderful, wonderful links and I beg forgiveness if in any way this comment derails the thread. Something about the post, though, made me think someone, somehow, somewhere, would comment on glass being a "liquid" and I thought I'd stop that nonsense in its tracks. If someone wants to argue about it, please just email me or something.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 7:10 AM on April 18, 2004