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If the meek don't inherit the earth, they'll at least get a say in a fringe party's platform!
April 23, 2004 6:34 PM   Subscribe

The Green Party of Canada's living platform is their party platform... in Wiki form! It seems that only party members are able to participate in the Wiki, but the rest of us are still able to rank a plank and vote for their platform's priorities in the next election. Once the election date is set, party administrators will form the input into some sort of rough fixed platform, but until then, it's "what real democracy looks like".
posted by DrJohnEvans (23 comments total)

 
I wonder how highly a plank that says "join the NDP and become a force within a party that can actually win some seats" would be ranked.
posted by Space Coyote at 2:47 AM on April 24, 2004


See, ideas and platforms are so last election. I mean, the Liberals and Conservatives don't seem to have 'em, and they seem to be doing all right.
posted by arto at 3:34 AM on April 24, 2004


Conservatives? We still have Conservatives? I thought they got the hint when we sent them back with 2 seats lo so many years ago.
posted by alex_reno at 6:35 AM on April 24, 2004


Their policy on Open Source Software and software patents cought my attention (and probably my vote).
posted by stevengarrity at 7:23 AM on April 24, 2004


Conservatives? We still have Conservatives? I thought they got the hint when we sent them back with 2 seats lo so many years ago.

And we got something so much, much better... sigh.
posted by Krrrlson at 8:53 AM on April 24, 2004


This is cool...are the Greens a force at all tho in Canadian politics?
posted by amberglow at 8:58 AM on April 24, 2004


Well... no. As the Globe piece points out, they are aiming to get enough of the vote to qualify for campaign funding. But that almost certainly won't translate into any seats.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 9:27 AM on April 24, 2004


Hence, the need for proportional representation in Canada, something taht everybone but the Liberals and the Bloc Quebecois should be getting behind pretty seriously.
posted by Space Coyote at 10:09 AM on April 24, 2004


are the Greens a force at all tho in Canadian politics?

Our political parties are like sports teams. Politicians change sides like NBA free agents either pursuing victory or money. Jean Charest, conservative became Jean Charest, liberal premier of Quebec. Bloc members are now Liberals. Reform Party members merged with the Conservative Party remnants. The Liberal Party has become gradually became the Conservative Party but kepts the name Liberal during the 10 year slow motion Paul Martin coup d'etat. The only real role for the green party in cdn politics is to increase issue awareness and affect the platforms of other parties.

I know I wouldn't have the slightest clue which party to vote for if it were not for the fact that Ed Broadbent, perhaps the most honest and decent man in Cdn politics, is running in Ottawa Central.
posted by srboisvert at 11:24 AM on April 24, 2004


I wish we had proportional representation too.

Have the other parties coopted part of the Greens' message? I always get the feeling that you guys are better with environmental issues than us (tho that's not hard at all, unfortunately).
posted by amberglow at 11:33 AM on April 24, 2004


That's only because we have so much more environment than you do, really.
posted by Hildegarde at 12:35 PM on April 24, 2004


Just remember that the Green Party isn't just another name for the Marijuana Party.
posted by Space Coyote at 12:40 PM on April 24, 2004


: >
posted by amberglow at 12:41 PM on April 24, 2004


Have the other parties coopted part of the Greens' message? I always get the feeling that you guys are better with environmental issues than us (tho that's not hard at all, unfortunately).

Not the liberals in BC. They're selling off all the crown land (read: land the citizens ostensibly own) to private companies to turn a profit.

Our politics here are as bad as yours are in the states. We have the Liberals, who, as mentioned, have been sliding right ever since Paul Martin got a strong foothold in the party*; and we have the conervatives or the new alliance or whatever they call themselves now: they're essentially our version of the republican party, as they spend most of their time complaining about gay marriage, the proposal to decriminalize marijuana, and criticizing Chretien for opposing the war in Iraq because it strained our relationship with the U.S. Government (apparently that should be our greatest fear).

Then we have our left-of-center party, the NDP, who generally shoot themselves in the foot at every possible opportunity. Their leader, Jack Leyton, actually holds many policy views I subscribe to, which is cool, but even some members of his own party think he's too radical for them. He's the guy that made some noise suggesting we threaten to stop shipping power down the west coast to California if America kept up its stance in the softwood lumber standoff, but he doesn't have nearly the power base to actually effect much change at the current time. The NDP wins a fairly significant number of provincial elections but on a national platform they're almost non-existent currently.

So ends my rough and dirty pinkolefty assessment of Canadian politics.


*when he was finance minister they made Employment Insurance harder and harder to receive and cut the benefits in half. Then, with the excess 40 billion dollars they balanced the budget and "paid off 47 billion," 40 billion of which should of course never have been taken. Basically they created a new tax without having to tell anyone they were doing it.

He also runs an international shipping business that has had a ton of bad publicity, such as when he kicked all the workers off to employ cheap international labour, and when he handed off control to his sons (so there wouldn't be a conflict of interest: hah!) and then gave them millions in contracts which were recorded in the books as about $150,000 due to a "clerical error."

posted by The God Complex at 2:47 PM on April 24, 2004


Boy, TGC, you're making it hard for us to look up to you guys.
posted by amberglow at 3:08 PM on April 24, 2004


The green party were slightly more popular than the Natural Law party, although they share a lot of common ideals.
posted by shepd at 3:30 PM on April 24, 2004


We still have healthy care ;)
posted by The God Complex at 4:36 PM on April 24, 2004


I don't know why I said "healthy" there. It must be the cognac.
posted by The God Complex at 4:36 PM on April 24, 2004


hopefully we will too, someday
posted by amberglow at 4:55 PM on April 24, 2004


I wish we had proportional representation
Cool, now I don't have to do a frontpage post. I haven't done one yet and I was terrified.
Canada is actually way ahead of the US where this is concerned. The Law Commission just released a report that recommended a Mixed Member Proportional system much like that one that New Zealand recently adopted.
Along with the steps being taken at the federal level, the provinces are at various stages in the process. The government in Quebec has proposed a similar MMP system for the province, a commission in PEI recommended the same system, BC has convened a Citizens Assembly, Ontario now has a Democratic Renewal Secretariat, and Saskatchewan and New Brunswick are considering changes as well.
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My only question is when will the US get around to this.
posted by Octaviuz at 2:28 AM on April 25, 2004


You should make a FPP out of that, Octaviuz--it's important.
posted by amberglow at 10:54 AM on April 25, 2004


Oh alright, since there's no one here anymore. Please don't throw any rotten fruit if I screw it up.
posted by Octaviuz at 6:11 PM on April 26, 2004


: > (i won't)
posted by amberglow at 6:27 PM on April 26, 2004


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