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WolfDaddy — Tue, 11 May 2004 11:06:46 -0800

If you're in New York City or LA between now and June 27th, the Museum of Television and Radio is presenting "Not That There's Anything Wrong With That --The History of Gay and Lesbian Images on Television" (via the Queer as Folk section of Showtime's site) (Anyone else remember Robert Reed playing a transsexual on Medical Center?)

By: tittergrrl

tittergrrl — Tue, 11 May 2004 11:19:19 -0800

Huh. I find it interesting that Buffy the Vampire Slayer isn't on their list of shows since, I believe, they had the first female-female kiss on network television...which happened in a completely unheralded way. Plus, the fact that it focused on a main teenage character who over time discovered her own sexual orientation rather than always being "that way." Odd, although I guess you could say the same thing about Ellen except for the teenage part.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Tue, 11 May 2004 11:25:20 -0800

I find it interesting that Buffy the Vampire Slayer isn't on their list of shows since, I believe, they had the first female-female kiss on network television... Sadly, it wasn't. But seeing Alyson Hannigan play tonsil hockey was a major improvement, at least for us straight guy viewers.

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Tue, 11 May 2004 11:25:33 -0800

tittergrrl, there was a female-female kiss on LA Law long before Buffy hit the scene, though they never did much with that plotline. Anyone know the first male-male kiss on primetime? Google sez it's a toss up between Dawson's Creek and Will and Grace. But, heck Joey and Ross (never Chandler, hmmmmmm) did some small amount of kissing between them on Friends.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Tue, 11 May 2004 11:34:56 -0800

Anyone know the first male-male kiss on primetime? Probably in some Mafia subplot of a cop show. No offense, wolfdaddy, or any other of the gayfolk out there, but I've found that while watching two women kiss can be quite beautiful, watching two guys kiss just looks...well, stupid. I'm not repulsed or anything it just looks dumb. I've asked plenty of straight men and women this question and they've all said more or less the same thing. I'm not saying that this is right or that gay people shouldn't kiss or anything, but just suggesting that might be the reason for the lack of stubble-brushing on the tube: not wanting to turn off the still predominantly het audience.

By: rdc

rdc — Tue, 11 May 2004 12:00:26 -0800

You must be joking! I'd pay large sums to see any two of the Fab Five make out. But especially Kyan and Jai. Mmm. *cough* Excuse me, I have to go now.

By: josh

josh — Tue, 11 May 2004 12:08:50 -0800

The title of the exhibit is pretty awesome.

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Tue, 11 May 2004 13:45:55 -0800

No offense taken, jonmc, though I daresay that you would probably find your enjoyment, on a visceral level, in watching, say, Brad Pitt and Orlando Bloom kissing to be quite different and distinct from watching, say, Dennis Franz and Jason Alexander. What's interesting to me is that (my) (so-called) real-life more often has someone who looks like Brad kissing someone who looks like Dennis, and to me that's far more interesting and beautiful than anything the media has thus far portrayed. Also, while writing this response, I went and did a google image search for both "ugly lesbian" and "ugly gay male"/"ugly homosexual" to show that we ain't all pretty and you wouldn't want to watch a good number of us kiss, regardless of gender. All three phrases turned up nada, zip, zilch. QED: all us queers ARE prettier than all you hets! Deal! ~chuckle~

By: jonmc

jonmc — Tue, 11 May 2004 13:59:49 -0800

What's interesting to me is that (my) (so-called) real-life more often has someone who looks like Brad kissing someone who looks like Dennis, and to me that's far more interesting and beautiful than anything the media has thus far portrayed. Well, that makes a weird kinda sense, Brad's more pretty than handsome and Franz, while not conventionally good looking, exudes a hyper-masculine badassery that many people find attractive. So the two would complement eachother, kinda. QED: all us queers ARE prettier than all you hets! Deal! ~chuckle~ Actually,if hanging out in gay bars a time or two has taught me anything it's that gay men have lower standards. ~chuckle~ BUt this has more to do with both participants being male than with gayness.

By: John Kenneth Fisher

John Kenneth Fisher — Tue, 11 May 2004 15:23:51 -0800

I would be much more interested if it didn't mean i'd have to continually travel to new york city every couple of days. Ideally, this would be online, but maybe they have trouble getting permission to show the clips that way. (As a side note, the description reminded me of this documentary, which I haven't seen yet.)

By: ltracey

ltracey — Tue, 11 May 2004 16:38:30 -0800

I believe the first male-male kiss attempt was on Melrose Place, but they chickened out at the last minute and cut to some weird ass back shot.
Not only do I remember Robert Reed as a transsexual, (The drama! The enormous quantities of Vaseline on the lens after his/her surgery!), but it was in fact the first show I had ever been explicited banned from watching during my childhood.

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Tue, 11 May 2004 16:43:25 -0800

John Kenneth Fisher, The Celluliod Closet was pretty good, the most memorable quote for me being Susan Sarandon describing the, uh, climax of "Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid" as "they can't whip out their dicks, so they whip out their guns". I remember the Melrose Place cheese-out very well, ltracey. I knew one of the writers on the show, and they agonized over it getting cut. Studio politics--FOX being demure?!--was the ultimate factor. Then, ten-odd years later, the late, oh so very lamented Firefly had boy whores!! Woot! has more to do with both participants being male than with gayness Yes, the difference between a straight male and a bisexual one is usually inebriation. At least the first time. *runs*

By: ltracey

ltracey — Tue, 11 May 2004 16:50:09 -0800

darn -- "explicity banned from". And WolfDaddy, ROFL.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Tue, 11 May 2004 18:59:31 -0800

wolfdaddy, for the record, I've been approached by gay men more often than I've been approached by straight women. I was flatterred of course, but I walked away wondering a) what I was doing to jam the gaydar and b) why it didn't work on the ladies. Then it occured to me, gay guys approach finding men the way I approached finding women: cast a wide net and hold on to whatever the hell you reel in. In short, gay guys think like guys.

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Tue, 11 May 2004 20:24:35 -0800

jonmc, in my experience, many gay men find the truly gay-friendly straight man such a blessed relief that wires get crossed and things can become almost unbearably erotic for those types. You're not doing anything to jam the gaydar other than being guilty by association. I find it rare for a gay man to press a truly unwanted suit toward a straight man. But it sounds like you know all this so I'll quit beating Mr. Ed here. However, if I ever hear that a lady's gaydar has gone off about you, expect an invitation over to my place for a six pack.