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	<title>Comments on: Poverty&apos;s palette</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 16:23:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Poverty&apos;s palette</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2004/05/07/magazine/20040509PORT_SLIDESHOW_1.html"&gt;In our mind&apos;s eye, much of the past exists in black and white.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;(via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.electricedge.com/greymatter/&quot;&gt;gordon.coale&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 16:17:14 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>madamjujujive</dc:creator>		<category>photography</category>		<category>1930s</category>		<category>1940s</category>		<category>color</category>
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		<title>By: angry modem</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670838</link>	
		<description>These are great photographs.  It&apos;s so weird to see this period in time so crisp.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 16:23:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: vorfeed</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670846</link>	
		<description>Great link. I especially like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2004/05/07/magazine/20040509PORT_SLIDESHOW_13.html&quot;&gt;this photo&lt;/a&gt; of railroad workers.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 16:33:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amberglow</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670848</link>	
		<description>beautiful--everyone looks so much better in color--thanks, juju.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 16:42:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wsg</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670851</link>	
		<description>Great pics.  I wish there were more.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 16:47:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stbalbach</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670855</link>	
		<description>Seems so distant but the kids shown are about the age my parents would have been.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 16:54:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Satapher</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670872</link>	
		<description>makes me think of Ti Jean</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 17:16:20 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Satapher</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: rafter</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670880</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://photos.tetto.org/03.jpg&quot;&gt;Sure&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://photos.tetto.org/06.jpg&quot;&gt;does&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://photos.tetto.org/08.jpg&quot;&gt;make&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://photos.tetto.org/12.jpg&quot;&gt;a&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://photos.tetto.org/15.jpg&quot;&gt;difference&lt;/a&gt;. (Self-links, all of &apos;em. For best results, hold your hand over one half of the screen. Alternate.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 17:23:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: digaman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670888</link>	
		<description>Ah, Ti Jean.  Oui, Satapher, moi aussi.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 17:31:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: digaman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670890</link>	
		<description>Nice, rafter.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 17:31:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: quonsar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670893</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://photos.tetto.org/3547/&quot;&gt;wow&lt;/a&gt;. just &lt;a href=&quot;http://photos.tetto.org/1350/&quot;&gt;wow&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 17:35:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: madamjujujive</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670894</link>	
		<description>very cool rafter, thanks!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 17:35:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Blue Stone</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670907</link>	
		<description>Excellent. My mind thinks it&apos;s really strange seeing &apos;modern people&apos; wearing such odd clothes.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 17:54:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rafter</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670926</link>	
		<description>Blue Stone: I couldn&apos;t help but think &quot;film stills.&quot; Badly colorized ones at that. It&apos;s really fascinating though -- like the way that period films always look so modern just because they are so crisp and colorful.

&lt;small&gt;(quonsar, thanks. If you liked the second photo there, you&apos;ll probably like &lt;a href=&quot;http://photos.tetto.org/grate/&quot; title=&quot;Acknowledged: off-topic self linking, cardinal sin of MeFi.&quot;&gt;these&lt;/a&gt; a lot, too.)&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 18:25:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pyramid termite</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670938</link>	
		<description>&quot;This is the first time I&apos;ve hitch hiked in years and I soon begin to see that things have changed in America, you can&apos;t get a ride anymore ...&quot;

                       - Jack Kerouac, Big Sur, 1962</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 18:51:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nasim</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670943</link>	
		<description>Here&apos;s my dozen favorites. I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unasimple.net/images/fsac/&quot;&gt;stashed &lt;/a&gt;copies on my server.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 19:07:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: carter</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670955</link>	
		<description>These are wonderful, thanks! There&apos;s old ruined homestead houses  - like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2004/05/07/magazine/20040509PORT_SLIDESHOW_2.html&quot;&gt;Pie&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2004/05/07/magazine/20040509PORT_SLIDESHOW_8.html&quot;&gt;Town&lt;/a&gt; (!) pictures - up in the hills here in Colorado. It&apos;s good to see what they looked like when they were lived in.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 19:30:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rafter</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670963</link>	
		<description>Thanks, nasim. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unasimple.net/images/fsac/1a34456v.jpg&quot;&gt;These&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unasimple.net/images/fsac/1a34673v.jpg&quot;&gt;couple&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unasimple.net/images/fsac/1a34877v.jpg&quot;&gt;shots&lt;/a&gt; would make great posters, especially the second one.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 19:48:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: abcde</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670975</link>	
		<description>This is extremely good.

It&apos;s surprising to think that there really is hardly any color record of any time before the 50&apos;s, and just how real the color makes it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 20:26:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: vacapinta</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#670978</link>	
		<description> &lt;i&gt;Excellent. My mind thinks it&apos;s really strange seeing &apos;modern people&apos; wearing such odd clothes.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah the color makes things more immediate and real. Its easy to look at b&amp;amp;w photos and think: Sure, their world was strange with Hitler and World Wars and imminent nuclear demise but they were also living in black-and-white.

For me, this reminds me of how it could have been us living in those times. It makes it more real.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 20:32:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671001</link>	
		<description>Anyone else remember poking around in vintage clothing stores, or better yet, in military surplus stores, when you were young? I always came across old uniforms, in living color, and I had the hardest time picturing people in them. Everything back then was black and white to my young mind.

This helps to fill those uniforms with real, colorful people.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 21:22:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671002</link>	
		<description>Anyone else remember poking around in vintage clothing stores, or better yet, in military surplus stores, when you were young? I always came across old uniforms, in living color, and I had the hardest time picturing people in them. Everything back then was black and white to my young mind.

This helps to fill those uniforms with real people.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 21:23:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671003</link>	
		<description>whoops. connection problems. sorry for the double (nay, triple) post.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 21:24:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: moonbird</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671005</link>	
		<description>kudos</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 21:30:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kwantsar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671008</link>	
		<description>Holy cow, rafter.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 21:32:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dhartung</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671013</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;CALVIN: Dad, how come old photographs are always black and white? Didn&apos;t they have color film back then?
DAD: Sure they did. In fact, those old photographs ARE in color. It&apos;s just the &lt;i&gt;world&lt;/i&gt; was black and white then.
CALVIN: Really?
DAD: Yep. The world didn&apos;t turn color until sometime in the 1930s, and it was pretty grainy color for a while, too.
CALVIN: That&apos;s really weird.
DAD: Well, truth is stranger than fiction.
CALVIN: But then why are old &lt;i&gt;paintings&lt;/i&gt; in color?! If the world was black and white, wouldn&apos;t artists have painted it that way?
DAD: Not necessarily. A lot of great artists were insane.
CALVIN: But... but how could they have painted in color anyway? Wouldn&apos;t their paints have been shades of gray back then?
DAD: Of course, but they turned colors like everything else in the &apos;30s.
CALVIN: So why didn&apos;t old black and white photos turn color too?
DAD: Because they were color pictures of black and white, remember?&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 21:50:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 2sheets</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671016</link>	
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;[this is good]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 22:02:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tomplus2</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671023</link>	
		<description>This is exactly why the &lt;a href=http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/empire/gorskii.html&gt;Prokudin-Gorskii&lt;/a&gt; exhibit blows my mind.  You mean there was color back in 1907??</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2004 22:36:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: twiki</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671072</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s also why &lt;a href=&quot;http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/pphome.html&quot;&gt;this site&lt;/a&gt; is one of my favorites to browse through. You find gems &lt;a href=&quot;http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?fsaall:54:./temp/~pp_6R63::displayType=1:m856sd=fsac:m856sf=1a34205:@@@mdb=fsaall,vv,app,brum,detr,swann,look,gottscho,pan,dag,horyd,wtc,genthe,var,cai,cd,hh,yan,dwgd,bbcards,lomax,ils,prok,brhc,nclc,matpc&quot;&gt;like this&lt;/a&gt; all the time.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2004 04:21:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ParisParamus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671075</link>	
		<description>Superb.  I think the B&amp;amp;W/Color Divide makes the recent past seem more distant, and people on this side of it more willing to discard any wisdom/experience gleaned &quot;back then.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2004 04:37:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ParisParamus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671076</link>	
		<description>PS:  I still think these people look old.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2004 04:40:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: raygirvan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671084</link>	
		<description>A while back I collated a few more links on early colour photography: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.raygirvan.co.uk/apoth/2004_01_01_arc.html#107456959230336322&quot;&gt;Pre-WW1 and WW1 photos&lt;/a&gt;, the work of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.raygirvan.co.uk/apoth/2004_01_01_arc.html#107462485229864938&quot;&gt;Frank Hurley&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.raygirvan.co.uk/apoth/2004_01_01_arc.html#107439218763339670&quot;&gt;Autochromes&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2004 05:18:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stavrosthewonderchicken</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671090</link>	
		<description>Thanks for these.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2004 06:14:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rusty</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671091</link>	
		<description>Is it just me, or does it seem like people in the depression had better complexions than we do now? Their skin looks so... healthy.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2004 06:17:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gesamtkunstwerk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671096</link>	
		<description>There is something about seeing these things in color that makes them feel like memories, not photographs. 

I remember as a young child being fascinated by the fifties and sixties because the colors seemed so different. It wasn&apos;t until adolescence that I realized that this was because of photographic technology. The sixties were always bright, and the fifties were always muted. In my mind&apos;s eye I still catch myself picturing bright acid colors when I read about the summer of love, and muted colors when I read about the war years.

This is a great post!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2004 07:21:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671124</link>	
		<description>rusty: less processed food = a better complexion?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2004 09:38:29 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: stupidsexyFlanders</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671148</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;does it seem like people in the depression had better complexions than we do now&lt;/em&gt;

See the damage we do by showering and bathing so often? Those people bathed once a week, at most. Soap is hard as hell on your skin over time.

Of course, start skipping showers and I&apos;ll be the first to tell you you stink.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2004 11:21:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: raygirvan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#671208</link>	
		<description>&lt;b&gt;gesamtkunstwerk&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;There is something about seeing these things in color that makes them feel like memories, not photographs&lt;/i&gt;.

Odd you should say that.  I was just commenting to my wife that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gridenko.com/pg/pg029.htm&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gridenko.com/pg/pg030.htm&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; Prokudin-Gorskii photo of Vitebsk in 1912 give me a very intense feeling of nostalgia, of having been there, though I never have.  There&apos;s certainly something about these images that messes with your head.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2004 16:39:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: of strange foe</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33104/Povertys-palette#675412</link>	
		<description>This is a great thread. And rafter, you are the tops!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2004 07:38:12 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>of strange foe</dc:creator>
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