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	<title>Comments on: Punch</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2004 16:35:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Punch</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.victoriantimes.org/ixbin/hixclient.exe?_IXSESSION_=QUEXj3r0l4p&amp;_IXACTION_=file&amp;_IXFILE_=illustrations/punch.html"&gt;Punch Cartoons&lt;/a&gt; &lt;i&gt;Punch&lt;/i&gt; set the standard for Victorian satirical cartooning.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.victorianweb.org&quot;&gt;Victorian Web&lt;/a&gt; hosts a number of cartoons arranged according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.victorianweb.org/periodicals/punch/subjects7.html&quot;&gt;topic&lt;/a&gt;;  see also &lt;i&gt;Punch&lt;/i&gt; on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.britishempire.co.uk/media/punch/punch.htm&quot;&gt;British Empire&lt;/a&gt;.   Some students in Anthony Wohl&apos;s senior seminar at Vassar did a good job &lt;a href=&quot;http://projects.vassar.edu/punch/&quot;&gt;annotating&lt;/a&gt; a number of images.  You can find late Victorian cartoons, as well as cartoonists&apos; biographies, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.paulsroom.bravepages.com/&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Of course, the current incarnation of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.punch.co.uk/&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Punch&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; has a few things to say about its own history.    &lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2004 16:07:29 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>thomas j wise</dc:creator>		<category>punch</category>		<category>punchcartoons</category>		<category>cartoons</category>		<category>editorialcartoons</category>		<category>victorianengland</category>		<category>cartoonists</category>
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		<title>By: dmt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33139/Punch#671537</link>	
		<description>Punch has a current incarnation?

Last I heard was that the phoney pharaoh had bought it, &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2015639.stm&quot;&gt;run it into the ground and had folded it?&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;small&gt;On a side note are RBS &lt;em&gt;ever &lt;/em&gt;going to call in the loans on the hideously overleveraged Harrods? Even a kid with GCSE biology knows that if the ins don&apos;t match the outs there&apos;s something seriously wrong...&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33139/Punch#671540</link>	
		<description>Is there anywhere online where you can download these in high-res, so they can be reprinted?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2004 16:49:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: loquax</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33139/Punch#671559</link>	
		<description>Great post, especially the annotated ones!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2004 17:47:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: emf</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33139/Punch#671650</link>	
		<description>It was conservative and unfunny. Irish servant jokes, etc. I ask you.

I remember Private Eye&apos;s cartoon about Muggeridge improving the mag and being sacked. 

There are some good PE covers &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.strobes.uklinux.net/226/&quot;&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2004 02:16:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: verstegan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33139/Punch#671657</link>	
		<description>Another site worth mentioning here is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/linleysambournehousearchive/&quot;&gt;Linley Sambourne House and Archive&lt;/a&gt;.  Sambourne was &lt;i&gt;Punch&lt;/i&gt;&apos;s chief political cartoonist, and his house in Kensington is now a museum, preserved exactly as he left it with all its late Victorian furnishings and fittings intact.  It is often used for films, but remains one of the best-kept secrets among London&apos;s museums.  Well worth visiting.

The site includes examples of some of Sambourne&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/linleysambournehouse/main/linleyartist.asp&quot;&gt;cartoons&lt;/a&gt;, and some of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/linleysambournehouse/main/linleyphoto.asp&quot;&gt;photographs&lt;/a&gt; on which they were based.  He used his family and servants as models, as in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/linleysambournehouse/main/linleypictures/political.asp&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; extraordinary photograph of his coachman posing as the Emperor Nero.  He also dabbled in nude photography (using his maids as models, while his wife was on holiday); there was an exhibition of them a few years ago, including some rather disturbing quasi-fetishistic images.  I didn&apos;t see the exhibition but did see the catalogue (an excellent piece of work, scholarly not voyeuristic); I&apos;d include a link to it here, but sadly it seems to be out of print. 

I once spent a night in the guest room of an Oxford college.  It was freezing cold, I couldn&apos;t sleep, and there was nothing to read except nineteenth-century volumes of &lt;i&gt;Punch&lt;/i&gt; lining the walls.  emf: I agree with you, the cartoons are often profoundly unfunny.  But occasionally the Irish servant was allowed to get the upper hand:

Mistress (angrily, to servant): Look here, Bridget, I can write my name in dust on the top of this piano!
Servant girl (thinking quickly): Sure, ma&apos;am, and it&apos;s a grand thing to be so educated.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2004 03:31:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mr.marx</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33139/Punch#671994</link>	
		<description>cock punch?

&lt;small&gt;sorry, wrong *filter&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2004 17:06:14 -0800</pubDate>
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