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	<title>Comments on: A Couple of Large Pieces, Joined at the Hip</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:20:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>A Couple of Large Pieces, Joined at the Hip</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://isc.incidents.org/diary.php?date=2004-06-15&amp;isc=d1aa327ef03fb64cbb38ea8235d4f30c"&gt;Akamai is having some issues.&lt;/a&gt; It turns out a lot of really large companies use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.akamai.com&quot;&gt;Akamai&lt;/a&gt; as their DNS host and apparently most of their DNS servers are no longer &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/msg05267.html&quot;&gt;responding&lt;/a&gt;. And it&apos;s not like this is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/05/24/HNakamaiout_1.html&quot;&gt;the first time&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http://slashdot.org/articles/04/06/15/1427213.shtml?tid=126&amp;tid=95&quot;&gt;Geeks are in a tizzy.&lt;/a&gt; Whither &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smallpieces.com/&quot;&gt;the decentralized network&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:15:56 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>bshort</dc:creator>		<category>akamai</category>		<category>dns</category>		<category>hosting</category>		<category>network</category>		<category>internet</category>		<category>server</category>
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		<title>By: bshort</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686185</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2004-06-15&quot;&gt;Also&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:20:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dorian</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686186</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opennic.unrated.net/&quot; title=&quot;mmmm, sticky&quot;&gt;glue&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:24:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kjh</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686188</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yahoo, Google, Microsoft, Fedex, Xerox, Apple&lt;/i&gt;

I can reach those sites just fine. If the &quot;geeks are in a tizzy&quot; it must just be their usual overreaction.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:26:46 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kjh</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: dabitch</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686190</link>	
		<description>I haven&apos;t been able to reach apple all day.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:30:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sarajflemming</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686194</link>	
		<description>I peeked at the source for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.apple.com&quot;&gt;Apple&apos;s&lt;/a&gt; homepage, it looks like they&apos;re serving their images through http://images.apple.com, now. Hee.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:34:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: thanotopsis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686204</link>	
		<description>Took me 3 hours this morning to finally figure out that this wasn&apos;t my problem.  Firewall logs, DNS log browsing -- fun fun fun.

All the while, of course, the office is emailing me with &quot;I can&apos;t get to Yahoo!&quot; or &quot;I can&apos;t get to Google!&quot;

I really should just read Slashdot or Metafilter first before diagnosing any network problem.  Would have saved me a whole lot of time today.  /sigh.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 08:53:13 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>thanotopsis</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: thanotopsis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686211</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I peeked at the source for Apple&apos;s homepage, it looks like they&apos;re serving their images through http://images.apple.com, now. Hee.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, much like images.amazon.com, images.apple.com is a front for an Akami server.  If you do a DNS lookup for images.apple.com, you get:

a932.g.akamai.net</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:01:29 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>thanotopsis</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: mcwetboy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686214</link>	
		<description>I was wondering why I couldn&apos;t log into my Gmail account or access the Apple site, while at the same time I could reach my own sites.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:04:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: malphigian</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686233</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I can reach those sites just fine. If the &quot;geeks are in a tizzy&quot; it must just be their usual overreaction.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, I mean, if kjh can get to the sites, why should anyone worry? The important folks still have access! Heh.

Seriously though, It might not be happening for you because you have cached DNS results.  Or the problem was intermittent and you got lucky.

I agree that there is a tendency for slashdot types to overreact, but this is a pretty big deal.  So many major sites tied to one service is sort of antithetical to the decentralized design of the net.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:29:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bluecoat93</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686256</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I can reach those sites just fine. If the &quot;geeks are in a tizzy&quot; it must just be their usual overreaction.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, what happened was that several high-profile sites (Google, Yahoo) temporarily removed Akamai from the mix and started hosting their own DNS (which worked around the problems with akadns.net).  At least for a while, this was causing www.yahoo.com to work, but subdomains like mail.yahoo.com to have issues.

Perhaps the geeks are in a tizzy because they know more than you?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:01:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mrgrimm</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686270</link>	
		<description>yep, i been having yahoo super slowness and outages all day. where&apos;s my free internet!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:14:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: birdherder</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686308</link>	
		<description>iTunes music store [US] isn&apos;t loading. After trying forever an error message pops up saying maybe it is busy. Not sure if this is the Akamai thing or issues with the Euro iTunes launch. Either way I&apos;ve managed to forget the song I was going to get.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:15:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tomierna</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686333</link>	
		<description>This was all over NANOG this morning, as of around 9am EST.

A bit later, maybe 10am EST, Apple replaced their Akamai DNS entries with their own DNS servers.

Other companies did the same. It looks as though everyone is back on Akamai though.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:55:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tommasz</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686372</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s now being called an &lt;a href=&quot;http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&amp;cid=528&amp;e=2&amp;u=/ap/20040615/ap_on_hi_te/internet_outage&quot;&gt;&quot;international attack&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 13:08:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stbalbach</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686420</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Shares of Akamai were up 71 cents, to $15.62, in Tuesday trading on the Nasdaq Stock Market.&lt;/i&gt;

lol.. suddenly the world wakes up, Akamai is an important player if it can cause such a big outage, buy buy.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:43:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kjh</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686455</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I agree that there is a tendency for slashdot types to overreact, but this is a pretty big deal. So many major sites tied to one service is sort of antithetical to the decentralized design of the net.&lt;/i&gt;

Says who? By all accounts, whether by switching to backup DNS servers or proaction by Akami, the outage was relatively short-lived, and I would hardly call fedex.com and xerox.com backbones of the Internet as we know it. While I feel for people like &lt;b&gt;thanotopsis&lt;/b&gt; who had to endure the most annoying consequences of this incident, I think that as news goes it&apos;s small potatoes, and as front-page material goes it&apos;s better left to slashdot.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:47:40 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kjh</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: MarkO</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686561</link>	
		<description>Why would anyone want to DDoS attack Akami? All they do is severely increase the speed of downloading rich content web sites, among other things. Why not whitehouse.gov or whitehouse.com or aljazeera?
&lt;small&gt;What did Akami ever do to you?&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:39:02 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>MarkO</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: phyrewerx</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#686577</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Checking all my favorite sites this morning, I saw that about half a dozen seem to be offline.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

And then later lists Microsoft? Surely the poster is going to get called out in the dot!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:11:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bshort</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33701/A-Couple-of-Large-Pieces-Joined-at-the-Hip#698007</link>	
		<description>Slashdot has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://slashdot.org/articles/04/07/07/1811211.shtml?tid=126&amp;tid=172&amp;tid=95&quot;&gt;followup&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:53:59 -0800</pubDate>
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