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		<title>Terrible affair that General Slocum explosion...</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.east-village.com/news/061404.shtml&quot;&gt;One hundred years ago today&lt;/a&gt;, 1,358 members of the &lt;i&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;&apos;Life in Kleindeutschland is almost the same as in the Old Country. Bakers, butchers, druggists&#8211; all are Germans. There is not a single business which is not run by Germans. Not only the shoemakers, tailors, barbers, physicians, grocers, and innkeepers are German, but the pastors and priests as well. There is even a German lending library where one can get all kinds of German books. The resident of Kleindeutschland need not even know English in order to make a living, which is a considerable attraction to the immigrant.&apos;&quot; href=&quot;http://www.uhb.fr/faulkner/ny/immigrants.htm&quot;&gt;Kleindeutschland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, the German neighborhood on the Lower East Side of Manhattan, boarded a chartered ferry named the &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Slocum&quot;&gt;General Slocum&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; for a picnic excursion to Long Island.  A fire broke out in the ship&apos;s hold while it cruised up the East River, the captain ran the vessel aground on the rocky shores of North Brother Island amid the swift currents of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorkhistory.info/Hell-Gate/index.html&quot;&gt;Hell Gate&lt;/a&gt;, and when it was all over 1,021 people (mainly women and children) had perished by drowning or from the fire, and it remained the worst single-day New York City disaster until 9/11.</description>
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		<title>By: Vidiot</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33718/Terrible-affair-that-General-Slocum-explosion#686547</link>	
		<description>The disaster effectively wiped out the &lt;i&gt;Kleindeutschland&lt;/i&gt; neighborhood, which is today&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nycvisit.com/content/index.cfm?pagePkey=438&quot;&gt;East&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Village,_Manhattan&quot;&gt;Village&lt;/a&gt;.  The last survivor of the &lt;i&gt;Slocum&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a title=&quot;&apos;Adella Wotherspoon, Last Survivor of General Slocum Disaster, Dies at 100&apos;&quot; href=&quot;http://www.general-slocum.com/0news.htm#Wotherspoon&quot;&gt;died this April&lt;/a&gt;.  In 2000, the &lt;a title=&quot;Incredibly enough, the hulk was salvaged after the fire and used as a coal barge.&quot; href=&quot;http://www.numa.net/press/112100.html&quot;&gt;remains of the &lt;i&gt;General Slocum&lt;/i&gt; were found&lt;/a&gt; near Atlantic City.  &lt;a title=&quot;&apos;Hundreds Killed in First Fifteen Minutes&apos;&quot; href=&quot;http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Newspaper/Slocum/Slocum.html&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; are newspaper stories from the Brooklyn &lt;i&gt;Eagle&lt;/i&gt;.  &lt;a title=&quot;&apos;A thousand casualties. And heartrending scenes. Men trampling down women and children. Most brutal thing.&apos;&quot; href=&quot;http://www.general-slocum.com/0jamesjoyce.htm&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is an excerpt mentioning the &lt;i&gt;Slocum&lt;/i&gt; from James Joyce&apos;s &lt;i&gt;Ulysses&lt;/i&gt;, which is set the next day.  &lt;a title=&quot;&apos;In my dream the steamer always sloughs up past Rikers before imploding into ash...&apos;&quot; href=&quot;http://www.ekphrases.com/Sevastopol/northbrother.html&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is a poem about the disaster by William Allen.  And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nyhistory.org/slocum/index.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; is a good general history of the disaster, by the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nyhistory.org/&quot;&gt;New-York Historical Society&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<title>By: moonbird</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33718/Terrible-affair-that-General-Slocum-explosion#686567</link>	
		<description>very well done, thanks!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:52:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CunningLinguist</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33718/Terrible-affair-that-General-Slocum-explosion#686571</link>	
		<description>Fabulous.

My mother lives in Yorkville and looks out over Hell&apos;s Gate, which remains a terribly treacherous bit of water. I knew some of the story, but not all this detail. Thanks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:04:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CunningLinguist</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33718/Terrible-affair-that-General-Slocum-explosion#686579</link>	
		<description>The Brooklyn Eagle stories, in particular, are a great find.

&lt;i&gt;The elevated trains on Manhattan on the east side were crowded with bandaged survivors, their clothes soaked with water and most of them still in the same condition of panic that struck them when the boat caught fire.

 &lt;/i&gt;

The stories of the missing and dead are heartrending.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:18:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ltracey</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33718/Terrible-affair-that-General-Slocum-explosion#686644</link>	
		<description>There&apos;s a memorial in Tompkins Square Park, that I used to point out to out of town visitors and use to tell them the story of the sinking. 

Walking around the neighborhood, you can still see the vestiges of what it was before the tragedy and subsequent exodus: the Free Library and Dispensary (Second Ave between St. Mark&apos;s and 9th Street), the German American Shooting Club (St. Mark&apos;s between Second and Third Avenues.) For some reason, that stretch felt a little abandoned to me, even with the crazy kids from the boroughs who have hung out there for 30+ years (myself included.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:50:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: madamjujujive</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33718/Terrible-affair-that-General-Slocum-explosion#686646</link>	
		<description>Wonderful post, Vidiot - I never heard of this. Beautifully researched, thank you!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:53:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hackworth</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33718/Terrible-affair-that-General-Slocum-explosion#686654</link>	
		<description>[this is a good post]</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:06:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vidiot</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33718/Terrible-affair-that-General-Slocum-explosion#686675</link>	
		<description>Incidentally, the Hell Gate is still treacherous, as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/33718#686571&quot;&gt;CunningLinguist noted&lt;/a&gt;.  It&apos;s also spanned by what I think is New York&apos;s most beautiful &lt;a title=&quot;The Brooklyn Bridge is close...but the Hell Gate gives it a run for its money.&quot; href=&quot;http://www.hellgatebridge.org/&quot;&gt;bridge&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_newsroom/daily_plants/daily_plant_main.php?id=19041&quot;&gt;Here&apos;s a picture of the Tompkins Square Park memorial&lt;/a&gt; to the &lt;i&gt;General Slocum&lt;/i&gt; victims that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/33718#686644&quot;&gt;ltracey mentioned&lt;/a&gt;.  (And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.general-slocum.com/0photogallerych10.htm&quot;&gt;here&apos;s a picture of the much larger memorial&lt;/a&gt; in the Queens cemetery where most of the victims were buried.)

(Bohemian &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timeoutny.com/cityguide/itineraries/week.cheap.html#tompkins&quot;&gt;Tompkins&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.curbsidepress.homestead.com/unprinted~ns4.html#anchor_1104&quot;&gt;Square&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pps.org/gps/one?public_place_id=54&quot;&gt;Park&lt;/a&gt; is interesting in its own right -- there have been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mrbellersneighborhood.com/beller.cgi/00707&quot;&gt;riots&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://pdr.autono.net/tsp.html&quot;&gt;bonfires&lt;/a&gt; during blackouts, scores of demonstrations and homeless people, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.accessplace.com/gdtc/1323.htm&quot;&gt;Grateful Dead concerts&lt;/a&gt;, and murder: according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://home.nyc.rr.com/jkn/nysonglines/ava.htm&quot;&gt;NY Songlines&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;In August 1989, murderer &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.missstrict.net/rakowitz.html&quot;&gt;Daniel Rakowitz&lt;/a&gt; served soup to the homeless here that may or may not have contained the remains of his roommate Monika Beerle.&quot;  More happily, there&apos;s even a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.harekrsna.com/philosophy/acarya/newyork.htm&quot;&gt;sacred elm tree&lt;/a&gt; in the park.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:55:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: matteo</title>
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		<description>really heartbreaking, thanks</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:04:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CunningLinguist</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33718/Terrible-affair-that-General-Slocum-explosion#686775</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s interesting to note that this was 8 years before the Titanic sank. I wonder if this is part of the genesis for the stories of the band playing on. From the Brooklyn Eagle:

&lt;i&gt;The fate of the band could not be determined, although it is understood that
a fair proportion of the musicians were saved.
    One of the survivors, dripping wet and very much excited, took pains to
tell an Eagle reporter that the musicians had displayed marked heroism at
the time of the panic.  They played up to the last moment, then, abandoning
their instruments, they hurried to the upper deck and began handing out to
the frightened women and children the life preservers which they tore from
the racks.
    This they did even when their own lives were in peril.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:11:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jann</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33718/Terrible-affair-that-General-Slocum-explosion#686830</link>	
		<description>excellent post!</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:19:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Faze</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33718/Terrible-affair-that-General-Slocum-explosion#686832</link>	
		<description>Great post.  The disaster is ably re-created at the beginning of the 1930s film &quot;Manhattan Melodrama,&quot; with a very young Mickey Rooney as a survivor.  I haven&apos;t read through all the material here, but in case it isn&apos;t mentioned, one of the other consequences of the disaster was the Germanization of Yorkville, the east side neighborhood centering around 86th and Third (parallel to Hell&apos;s Gate).  Up until about thirty years ago, Yorkville was a highly ethnic enclave (and a hotbed of pro-Nazi sentiment during the war).  Apparently, Germans travelled uptown to identify the bodies, and stayed.  Am I correct?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:20:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33718/Terrible-affair-that-General-Slocum-explosion#686847</link>	
		<description>That sounds extremely dubious.  Why on earth would people uproot themselves from homes they&apos;d lived in for years, in a neighborhood full of people like them and businesses aimed at them, to move miles away to an unfamiliar neighborhood that they went to to &lt;i&gt;identify bodies&lt;/i&gt;?  Me, I&apos;d want to leave as soon as I&apos;d said &quot;Yes, that&apos;s my wife&quot; and never go back.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oldandsold.com/articles06/new-york-city-84.shtml&quot;&gt;This article&lt;/a&gt; says Yorkville was one of the places Germans moved to after the Slocum disaster, but doesn&apos;t say anything about identifying bodies.  (And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gothamcenter.org/discussions/viewthread.cfm?ID=415&amp;ForumID=31&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&apos;s a thread of comments by people who live or used to live in Yorkville, full of interesting reminiscences.)

Great post!</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:46:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vidiot</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/33718/Terrible-affair-that-General-Slocum-explosion#686862</link>	
		<description>Not sure, Faze, but it&apos;s a good theory.  I hadn&apos;t heard of the &quot;Manhattan Melodrama&quot; angle until last night -- CNN did a story on the &lt;i&gt;Slocum&lt;/i&gt; that included some footage from the film.  (Wasn&apos;t that the movie that Dillinger saw just before he was shot?)</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:58:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Civil_Disobedient</title>
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		<description>Great post.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:14:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
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		<description>OK, I can put the Yorkville body-ID thing to rest.  I was in a bookstore on my lunch break (as usual) and saw the new book on the &lt;i&gt;Slocum&lt;/i&gt; disaster; the fucker doesn&apos;t have an index (bad publisher! bad!), but I turned to the relevant chapter and learned that the bodies were laid out for ID at a hospital on North Brother Island, far away from Yorkville.  Also, the author says that the disaster accelerated, but did not cause, the exodus from Kleindeutschland, which had begun in the 1890s.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:52:20 -0800</pubDate>
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