Comments on: Fileshare Networking

Fileshare Networking

quasistoic — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:40:23 -0800

Combine the social networking aspect of Orkut and Friendster with the filesharing aspect of programs like Kazaa and WinMX, and you get clevercactus share. Get the RIAA off your back by only sharing file folders with people you actually know. Throw in encrypted transfers and platform-independency as a bonus. General Public release is scheduled for tomorrow, but you can sign up and start today.

By: quasistoic

quasistoic — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:49:31 -0800

Disclaimer: I haven't had the chance to actually share files yet, as none of my friends have signed up, but it looks really promising. For a little more insight, read this post in Diego's weblog. I've been following Diego's work since the alpha version of "Spaces" back in 2002, an email client which is based on similar ideas to Gmail's labeling and searching principles. I believe clevercactus share evolved somehow from Spaces. If anyone would like to test out the service with me, let me know.

By: yerfatma

yerfatma — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:58:17 -0800

I'd definitely be interested. Email's in my profile.

By: monju_bosatsu

monju_bosatsu — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:04:47 -0800

Same here. I'm downloading now, and email is in my profile.

By: thebabelfish

thebabelfish — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:19:17 -0800

Ditto. I'm testing out my shiny new gmail account for this. tsibley at the likely place.

By: scarabic

scarabic — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:21:41 -0800

Ah... I've been close to hitting AskMe for a closed P2P thingie several times.

By: quasistoic

quasistoic — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:23:19 -0800

Done and done (and, on preview, done). What say you we take this baby for a spin?

By: thebabelfish

thebabelfish — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:29:14 -0800

Not cool. The Linux installer doesn't work. I'll fix it. But it'll take time, precious precious time. Damn.

By: lotsofno

lotsofno — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:29:37 -0800

sounds like Nullsoft's old WASTE darknet app, which is still alive and awesome, by the way. the thing just emits l33tness. clevercactus looks a bit more user-friendly though.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:33:11 -0800

is it mac-friendly? if so, i'm in.

By: quasistoic

quasistoic — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:35:58 -0800

So far, downsides I have noticed: 1. no per-user upload limitation, only a global upload limitation 2. It seems that I need to restart the app to show new contacts. I've emailed diego about this. I'll post if I get a reply. On preview: There's an OS X version listed on the download page.

By: trharlan

trharlan — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:36:25 -0800

Ditto.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:41:41 -0800

i'm in : > i'm amberglow there.

By: grabbingsand

grabbingsand — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:50:14 -0800

It's Panther-friendly, but not Jaquar-friendly. Grr....

By: Gyan

Gyan — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:51:37 -0800

They need to change their About page. It says it is invitation-only. Well, I invited myself from the main page.

By: yerfatma

yerfatma — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:53:04 -0800

In case it happened to anyone else, I had to change my password from my invite code before I could login to the app. How do you add/ invite existing users?

By: quasistoic

quasistoic — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:54:54 -0800

Another downside: transfers restart if you disconnect/reconnect. Then again, that's not such a problem if both users have always-on connections...and since it's people you know, you're more likely to let them know when you're disconnecting and vice-versa.

By: quasistoic

quasistoic — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:58:50 -0800

Gyan: the proper release isn't scheduled until tomorrow, so it's still supposed to be invite-only. yerfatma: The same way you invite users who aren't a part of the service. Just make sure to use the right email address, and if they're already a part of the network, it'll let you know, and they'll get an approve/disapprove email. (I'm using the email address clevercactus@ the domain in my profile.)

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:59:43 -0800

i sent you an email invite, yerfatma...see if u get it (to gmail)...is there an easier way to add people?

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:00:06 -0800

oh, stick some stuff in your folders...i did...we'll test this baby.

By: weston

weston — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:04:15 -0800

What's to keep the RIAA from hiring moles within the system, getting themselves in a position of trust, and then, at some point, calling "gotcha" on a bunch of people. They could even give moles a wealth of material to work with and permission to distribute it for this purpose, making them easily more popular in the sharing network. I guess you could limit your sharing to people you actually know well from the real world. But I already know how to do that.

By: yerfatma

yerfatma — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:08:45 -0800

Because a person in the system has to be accepted by you. On top of that, you select which files to share with which users, so the level of security is up to you.

By: quasistoic

quasistoic — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:10:34 -0800

weston: who's to say I'm not the mole. Maybe you're the mole. Mole alert! Mole alert! *waves hand* "These are not the moles you are looking for." /jedimindtrick Really, though, this is the first program I've seen that lets you specify who you want to be able to look through specified folders on my desktop. Sure, I could FT a song to a friend of mine through AIM, but they can't look through my folders to let me know it's there. Sure, I could use the ftp section of my website, but I'd rather not waste the limited server space/bandwidth that I pay dearly for.

By: Evstar

Evstar — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:11:15 -0800

Go ahead and add me, guys. desjardins(at)gmail.com

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:16:17 -0800

doing it now evstar...everyone else, set up a folder to share, or a file for a test.

By: slhack3r

slhack3r — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:18:21 -0800

me too! :) jnewland at gmail.com

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:20:28 -0800

i can't see anyone else's stuff. what's up?

By: thebabelfish

thebabelfish — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:26:24 -0800

I have the installer figured out, but must sleep. I'll join the party around noon tomorrow.

By: quasistoic

quasistoic — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:27:30 -0800

amberglow: I know diego has said that firewalls should not be an issue, but it's a possibility. Keep on truckin'.

By: slhack3r

slhack3r — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:33:20 -0800

well, since thebabelfish has hit the sack....any success stories with the linux installer? i'm downloading it now

By: Kwantsar

Kwantsar — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:33:59 -0800

Sweet! could you add me as well? legal(at)riaa.com thx!

By: slhack3r

slhack3r — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:39:47 -0800

well crap. i'll check in tomorrow. no luck with the linux installer here either. and i'm way too intoxicated to be fooling with shell scripts.

By: nixxon

nixxon — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:41:52 -0800

clevernixxoncactus (at) blankspace (do t) org "I am not a mole"

By: angry modem

angry modem — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:46:24 -0800

my email address is hitler (at) gmail.com. you may add me if you like.

By: emelenjr

emelenjr — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:49:24 -0800

I'm having trouble confirming an additional e-mail address (clever cactus doesn't like the link it sent me.) I signed up using my main e-mail account, not the one I have listed here. If you want to add me, I'm mlnjr (that's right, just remove the Es from my MeFi name) à comcast dot net. I'm hoping to be able to add my Gmail account soon. Mmm, mole sauce.

By: anathema

anathema — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:53:35 -0800

angry, do you have that ultra-rare 78, "Love Songs of the Reich"?

By: angry modem

angry modem — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:58:02 -0800

you know, a lot of people had the last name Hitler in Germany, besides one guy who liked to pain flowers.

By: angry modem

angry modem — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:58:21 -0800

paint

By: quasistoic

quasistoic — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:14:03 -0800

Kwatsar: I tried to add you, but I got the following error message: "doo Doo DOO message 3oh567 The email you have attempted to contact is not in service. Please check your subpoena and try again."

By: blasdelf

blasdelf — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:16:37 -0800

Mee too! Me too! blasdelf at gmail dot com

By: Tlogmer

Tlogmer — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:18:30 -0800

My username there's Ben. Email in da prof.

By: drezdn

drezdn — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:43:16 -0800

I'm [my mefi username] at gmail dot com, add me! Please.

By: woil

woil — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:07:25 -0800

I'm [my mefi username] @ [my mefi username] .ws And I'd love to be added, and have plenty of stuff... :)

By: addyct

addyct — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:06:49 -0800

I am also [my mefi username] @ gmail.com ( thanks again to vacapinta for the gmail hook up) Please help me share my wealth.

By: gfrobe

gfrobe — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:53:43 -0800

I'd like to sign up with a gmail account but, alas, I've never been invited. Does anyone have a spare invite? My address is my meta filter name at hotmail. Thanks!

By: quasistoic

quasistoic — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:23:51 -0800

From Diego:

"Regarding the per-user upload limit, you're right. I'll add that feature to the upcoming list. That said, you can set the upload limit in the preferences to something higher and **theoretically** it should load-balance, sending out things to more than one user if possible. Let me check this though. Regarding the show new contacts (mentioned in mefi) you can do Edit/Sync contacts. Other things mentioned in mefi like transfer-restart issues will be fixed, as we'll be adding resume/pause features fairly quickly (they are in progress)."

I hadn't noticed the "Edit>Sync Contacts" menu option, and that should save me from quite a few program restarts in the future. He also mentions that he (and his team?) is (are?) actively working on putting out a new release with "some improvements" later today (Wednesday). He was even cordial with me about outing his release early. What can I say? I couldn't wait to share the wealth. gfrobe: Read the last few comments in this post.

By: graventy

graventy — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 03:56:16 -0800

me three! graventy at gmail

By: Sijeka

Sijeka — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:26:02 -0800

me 4 please! sijeka at hotmail

By: yerfatma

yerfatma — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:30:41 -0800

I'll have to check this out again tonight with the larger user base. I had some trouble last night with Evstart queuing up files that never got sent to him. Is there a way to force the files to start transferring?

By: quasistoic

quasistoic — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:37:01 -0800

yerfatma: I had a simliar problem when trying to get files from one of my friends last night. It resolved itself, though -- actually, I think one or both of us had restarted the program for the resolution. I have a feeling the "Edit>Sync with share web" method might be able to resolve that problem, also, but I haven't had the chance to try.

By: Outlawyr

Outlawyr — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:51:39 -0800

Has anyone figured out how to change their password? By the way, you can add me if you like: share (at) folkhop.com

By: yeahyeahyeahwhoo

yeahyeahyeahwhoo — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:54:53 -0800

feel free to add me! yeahyeahyeahwhoo jeb-at-ltmr.net this is great, i love this sortof stuff, ive been running WASTE for a while

By: obloquy

obloquy — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:51:40 -0800

me too please- I'm in the book. OSX version seems to be humming along so far. Now that I synched w/ Share Web this morning I can see some of y'all in there...about half of my attempted contact adds fail, though.

By: thebabelfish

thebabelfish — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:54:24 -0800

For Linux: Download the shell script (share_linux_beta.sh) and my shell script to the same directory. Run my shell script to start the installer for Clever Cactus Share.

By: beth

beth — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:25:16 -0800

This looks like fun! I have lots of spiffy movies I want to share. Go ahead and add me: marblevideo at yahoo dot com.

By: slhack3r

slhack3r — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:35:50 -0800

oooh yah thank you thebabelfish! i'm messing around with the windows client right now at work but i have nothing to share so it's no fun...i'll install on linux as soon as i get off work :)

By: woil

woil — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:38:50 -0800

Folks - it doesn't work if you don't stay online! Has anyone actually successfully transfered a file yet? I've been waiting for people to get online so I can try it...

By: Mayor Curley

Mayor Curley — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:43:25 -0800

woil, according to my list, YOU'RE not on line. So there are some bugs.

By: addyct

addyct — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:52:08 -0800

And on my side, neither of you is online. Interesting.

By: yeahyeahyeahwhoo

yeahyeahyeahwhoo — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:55:44 -0800

yeah i dont see anyone as online, either on my home PC or my public-IP-address work machine, so i think its a bug, there is a thread regarding it on the brand new forum: http://www.clevercactus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12 hoefullly some answers or fixes will pop up shortly

By: obloquy

obloquy — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:05:46 -0800

thebabelfish successfully downloaded a file from me, but I have not had such luck yet. I'm at work now but left the app open at home.

By: Mayor Curley

Mayor Curley — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:07:27 -0800

completely close it and reopen. I just did and I can see a bunch of you now.

By: Outlawyr

Outlawyr — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:09:03 -0800

Yup, I've added a million people and no one shows up as being online. Bummer.

By: yeahyeahyeahwhoo

yeahyeahyeahwhoo — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:14:23 -0800

i knew it was impossible for there to be no internet-addicted mefites to be online. i never doubted you guys. maybe when i get off work things will be working.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:03:06 -0800

i left it on when i left the house, so it should definitely show me as online...I both gave and got last night, and will try again tonight, when i get home...Try that synch thing to update your lists. everyone add me to your lists, and make sure to designate a sharing folder with stuff in it--i had to do it individually for each contact on my list. : >

By: Outlawyr

Outlawyr — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:07:27 -0800

I actually successfully downloaded a file, but for the most part this app is acting flakey. I plan on staying online non-stop, so feel free to grab the goodies if you can get it working. share (at) folkhop . com

By: drezdn

drezdn — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:27:01 -0800

It's hard convincing my girlfriend to let me leave the computer on, but I will... Hopefully you guys can get something good.

By: bashos_frog

bashos_frog — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:28:49 -0800

drezdn - same issue with my wife. Do what I did, get your monthly electric bill and figure out what your computer costs to run for 24 hours (power supply watts/1000) * est. system load * ($/kwh) * 24. Figure out how many movies you can download in that time, and compare the price to going to the video store and renting a movie. In my case, I can get 3 -4 movies in a 24 hour period, which would cost me around 1500 yen to rent. Running the PC for that time period costs me about 150 yen.

By: woil

woil — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:40:12 -0800

Well I've been trying to stay online, except that my normally very stable box seems to have crashed when I walked away.... Hope they patch soon.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:59:34 -0800

sorry Mayor--try now

By: y0bhgu0d

y0bhgu0d — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:11:43 -0800

i want a cool @gmail.com account... lol. i invited myself on the clevercactus site last night, didn't get the email. hook me up? corey [atsymbol] fhase [period] net

By: kenko

kenko — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:47:08 -0800

I won't be able to add anyone until at least a week and a half from now, but if someone wants to invite me (wolfson-at-gmail.com), that'd rule. I promise I have the l33test music collection.

By: yeahyeahyeahwhoo

yeahyeahyeahwhoo — Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:21:44 -0800

finally getting the folders to stay shared was tricky, it seems to be working now (unless its crashed since i left). downloaded a few modest mouse songs...

By: amberglow

amberglow — Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:16:06 -0800

Hey, is anyone going to log on and use it?

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:52:19 -0800

ah, this thread made them release it early.