Hillary Clinton for V.P.?
June 30, 2004 3:14 PM Subscribe
Hillary Clinton as Kerry's V.P.? Let the speculations begin...
Are we supposed to speculate because you've asked us to? Is this a discussion group?
Is there some reason we've been directed to a story that's eight months old, enough to have Howard Dean as the presumptive nominee?
Please post this sort of thing to your own blog.
posted by argybarg at 3:19 PM on June 30, 2004
Is there some reason we've been directed to a story that's eight months old, enough to have Howard Dean as the presumptive nominee?
Please post this sort of thing to your own blog.
posted by argybarg at 3:19 PM on June 30, 2004
True, but that time is coming near....
/And, it was on Drudge
posted by Rastafari at 3:19 PM on June 30, 2004
/And, it was on Drudge
posted by Rastafari at 3:19 PM on June 30, 2004
What if Cheney resigns to help Bush and Bush asks McCain to run as VP? got to love it, right.
posted by Postroad at 3:21 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by Postroad at 3:21 PM on June 30, 2004
Yeah, it's almost a parody of a bad post. I thought that Rastafari's defense by appealing to Drudge was an especially nice touch.
Hey, what if Kerry chose Spider-man as his VP?!?
posted by mr_roboto at 3:27 PM on June 30, 2004
Hey, what if Kerry chose Spider-man as his VP?!?
posted by mr_roboto at 3:27 PM on June 30, 2004
Jeri Ryan in a Spider-man costume.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 3:29 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 3:29 PM on June 30, 2004
Well, if, as the article suggests, either Dean or Clark chose Clinton as a running mate, I'd say they have an extremely good chance of losing the primaries several months ago. Yep.
posted by ook at 3:36 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by ook at 3:36 PM on June 30, 2004
Bill Clinton wins election to second term. Will the rumors of sexual infidelities bring him down? Let the speculation begin!
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 3:36 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 3:36 PM on June 30, 2004
(On the other hand, Drudge's "massive love fest" sounds exciting. You think they'd have it in the rose garden? Or would that crush too many flowers?)
posted by ook at 3:38 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by ook at 3:38 PM on June 30, 2004
Jeri Ryan would have to be in a Spider Woman costume, and a very, very tight one at that.
Seriously though, why is a December 2003 article being posted here? Its an interesting concept but the news is as old as "NO WMD's in Iraq" or "We Caught Saddam!".
But to actually discuss the post, I don't think having Hillary as a VP candidate would influence my vote either way. I was never going to vote for Bush in the first place. That and I think she'd be one helluva VP (until an uber-feminista shoots the president and she becomes the president herself).
posted by fenriq at 3:45 PM on June 30, 2004
Seriously though, why is a December 2003 article being posted here? Its an interesting concept but the news is as old as "NO WMD's in Iraq" or "We Caught Saddam!".
But to actually discuss the post, I don't think having Hillary as a VP candidate would influence my vote either way. I was never going to vote for Bush in the first place. That and I think she'd be one helluva VP (until an uber-feminista shoots the president and she becomes the president herself).
posted by fenriq at 3:45 PM on June 30, 2004
As a regular longtime reader with a postcount under 10, I feel I'm uniquely qualified to ask what the sweet zombie jesus was going through your mind when you posted this, Rastafari.
posted by plexiwatt at 3:45 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by plexiwatt at 3:45 PM on June 30, 2004
Rastafari,
Don't feel so bad. You are not alone. I once made the mistake of posting an old link in the blue. The memory still makes me shudder. There are few things worse than a mefi dogpile. ;)
posted by wsg at 3:51 PM on June 30, 2004
Don't feel so bad. You are not alone. I once made the mistake of posting an old link in the blue. The memory still makes me shudder. There are few things worse than a mefi dogpile. ;)
posted by wsg at 3:51 PM on June 30, 2004
DUDE! That article was from December 10, 2003.
Wait until the high wears off before you post next time.
posted by xmutex at 3:51 PM on June 30, 2004
Wait until the high wears off before you post next time.
posted by xmutex at 3:51 PM on June 30, 2004
In fact, the Mrs. C thing ran today at Drudge and the implication seems to be that she is now again or also being considered:
"DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED JUNE 30, 2004 11:18:25 ET XXXXX
VICE PRESIDENT HILLARY; SPECULATION INTENSIFIES IN WASHINGTON
Official Washington and the entire press corps will be rocked when Hillary Rodham Clinton is picked as Kerry's VP and a massive love fest will begin!"
Now you can shift all the cleverness and snide remarks to Drudge...
posted by Postroad at 4:10 PM on June 30, 2004
"DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED JUNE 30, 2004 11:18:25 ET XXXXX
VICE PRESIDENT HILLARY; SPECULATION INTENSIFIES IN WASHINGTON
Official Washington and the entire press corps will be rocked when Hillary Rodham Clinton is picked as Kerry's VP and a massive love fest will begin!"
Now you can shift all the cleverness and snide remarks to Drudge...
posted by Postroad at 4:10 PM on June 30, 2004
Doesn't matter. Dean is unstoppable at this point. I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict he'll roar to victory!
posted by George_Spiggott at 4:14 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by George_Spiggott at 4:14 PM on June 30, 2004
According to my imaginary girlfriend, they'll be up against Bush-Claus in '04.
posted by Space Coyote at 4:24 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by Space Coyote at 4:24 PM on June 30, 2004
"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
-- Hillary Clinton
posted by kablam at 4:44 PM on June 30, 2004
-- Hillary Clinton
posted by kablam at 4:44 PM on June 30, 2004
Now you can shift all the cleverness and snide remarks to Drudge
What, my massive love fest wasn't snide enough for you?
posted by ook at 4:45 PM on June 30, 2004
Jeri Ryan in a Spider-man costume.
I need some alone time.
posted by jonmc at 4:51 PM on June 30, 2004
I need some alone time.
posted by jonmc at 4:51 PM on June 30, 2004
Mefi's love, LOVE, to pile on.
Well, as long as it makes you feel superior...that all that REALLY matters.
That's what Mefi is all about....
posted by Rastafari at 4:52 PM on June 30, 2004
Well, as long as it makes you feel superior...that all that REALLY matters.
That's what Mefi is all about....
posted by Rastafari at 4:52 PM on June 30, 2004
DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN! Will his presidency outshine his predecessor's? Discuss.
posted by chuq at 4:52 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by chuq at 4:52 PM on June 30, 2004
You know, I'd rather have them take things away from us for the common good than for the elite good. Anyone who doesn't think we're currently being 'taken' is a fool. People are always being taken -- the question is by whom and for what?
posted by PigAlien at 4:53 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by PigAlien at 4:53 PM on June 30, 2004
You know, you can buy things on the Internet.
posted by Sidhedevil at 4:56 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by Sidhedevil at 4:56 PM on June 30, 2004
I wonder if Drudge just makes shit up to get hits? Single sourced, "rumor" pieces are one step up from book reports.
posted by smackfu at 5:00 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by smackfu at 5:00 PM on June 30, 2004
Has anybody heard of these "blog" things? Think they'll go anywhere?
posted by elwoodwiles at 5:02 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by elwoodwiles at 5:02 PM on June 30, 2004
Wait until the high wears off before you post next time.
Dude, his name is "rastafari." I doubt the high ever wears off.
posted by jonmc at 5:13 PM on June 30, 2004
Dude, his name is "rastafari." I doubt the high ever wears off.
posted by jonmc at 5:13 PM on June 30, 2004
In related news, Paula Jones confirms the existence of the 'vast right wing conspiracy.' News at 11.
posted by Rastafari at 5:19 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by Rastafari at 5:19 PM on June 30, 2004
Ahhhhh, MetaFilter, I come for the interesting posts but stay for the freshly filleted and grilled snark.
posted by fenriq at 6:04 PM on June 30, 2004
posted by fenriq at 6:04 PM on June 30, 2004
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir:
You are an experiment by the creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next - and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.
Some persons seem to like you, and others seem to hate you, and you must wonder why. They are simply liking machines and hating machines.
You are pooped and demoralized. Why wouldn't you be? Of course it is exhausting, having to reason all the time in a Universe which wasn't meant to be reasonable. You are surrounded by loving machines, hating machines, greedy machines, unselfish machines, brave machines, cowardly machines, truthful machines, lying machines, funny machines, solemn machines. Their only purpose is to stir you up in every conceivable way, so the creator of the Universe can watch your reactions. They can no more feel or reason than grandfather clocks.
The creator of the universe would now like to apologize not only for the capricious, jostling companionship he provided during the test, but for the trashy, stinking condition of the planet itself. The creator programmed robots to abuse it for millions of years, so it would be a poisonous, festering cheese when you got here. Also, he made sure it would be desperately crowded by programming robots, regardless of their living conditions, to crave sexual intercourse and adore infants more than almost anything.
He also programmed robots to write books and magazines and newspapers for you, and television and radio shows, and films. They wrote songs for you. The creator of the Universe had them invent hundreds of religions, so you would have plenty to choose from. He had them kill each other by the millions, for this purpose only: that you be amazed. They have committed every possible atrocity and every possible kindness unfeelingly, automatically, inevitably, to get a reaction from
Y-O-U
Every time you went to the library, the creator of the Universe held His breath. With such a higgedly-piggedly cultural smorgasbord before you, what would you, with your free will, choose?
You parents were fighting machines and self pitying machines. Your mother was programmed to bawl out your father for being a defective money machine, and your father was programmed to bawl her out for being a defective housekeeping machine. They were programmed to bawl each other out for being defective loving machines.
Then your father was programmed to stomp out of the house and slam the door. This automatically turned your mother into a weeping machine. And your father would go down to a tavern where he would get drunk with some other drinking machines. Then all the drinking machines would go to a whorehouse and rent fucking machines. And then your father would drag himself home to become an apologizing machine. And your mother would become a very slow forgiving machine.
posted by Keyser Soze at 12:19 AM on July 1, 2004
You are an experiment by the creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next - and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.
Some persons seem to like you, and others seem to hate you, and you must wonder why. They are simply liking machines and hating machines.
You are pooped and demoralized. Why wouldn't you be? Of course it is exhausting, having to reason all the time in a Universe which wasn't meant to be reasonable. You are surrounded by loving machines, hating machines, greedy machines, unselfish machines, brave machines, cowardly machines, truthful machines, lying machines, funny machines, solemn machines. Their only purpose is to stir you up in every conceivable way, so the creator of the Universe can watch your reactions. They can no more feel or reason than grandfather clocks.
The creator of the universe would now like to apologize not only for the capricious, jostling companionship he provided during the test, but for the trashy, stinking condition of the planet itself. The creator programmed robots to abuse it for millions of years, so it would be a poisonous, festering cheese when you got here. Also, he made sure it would be desperately crowded by programming robots, regardless of their living conditions, to crave sexual intercourse and adore infants more than almost anything.
He also programmed robots to write books and magazines and newspapers for you, and television and radio shows, and films. They wrote songs for you. The creator of the Universe had them invent hundreds of religions, so you would have plenty to choose from. He had them kill each other by the millions, for this purpose only: that you be amazed. They have committed every possible atrocity and every possible kindness unfeelingly, automatically, inevitably, to get a reaction from
Y-O-U
Every time you went to the library, the creator of the Universe held His breath. With such a higgedly-piggedly cultural smorgasbord before you, what would you, with your free will, choose?
You parents were fighting machines and self pitying machines. Your mother was programmed to bawl out your father for being a defective money machine, and your father was programmed to bawl her out for being a defective housekeeping machine. They were programmed to bawl each other out for being defective loving machines.
Then your father was programmed to stomp out of the house and slam the door. This automatically turned your mother into a weeping machine. And your father would go down to a tavern where he would get drunk with some other drinking machines. Then all the drinking machines would go to a whorehouse and rent fucking machines. And then your father would drag himself home to become an apologizing machine. And your mother would become a very slow forgiving machine.
posted by Keyser Soze at 12:19 AM on July 1, 2004
Spider-Man's Top 10 Rouges
10. The Sandman
09. Hobgoblin
08. Hillary Rodham Clinton
07. The Reptile
06. Kraven
05. The Vulture
04. Electro
03. Venom / Carnage
02. Doc Ock
01. Green Goblin
Dear George Soros Fuck The Democrats please send me the $10,000,000 so i may hire jeri ryan to dress up as Spider-Women and be my sex slave.
In return i will send pictures.
xoxo
dreamghost the great
posted by Dreamghost at 12:25 AM on July 1, 2004
10. The Sandman
09. Hobgoblin
08. Hillary Rodham Clinton
07. The Reptile
06. Kraven
05. The Vulture
04. Electro
03. Venom / Carnage
02. Doc Ock
01. Green Goblin
Dear George Soros Fuck The Democrats please send me the $10,000,000 so i may hire jeri ryan to dress up as Spider-Women and be my sex slave.
In return i will send pictures.
xoxo
dreamghost the great
posted by Dreamghost at 12:25 AM on July 1, 2004
Thow shalt not quote Kurt Vonnegut without citation.
posted by Space Coyote at 12:56 AM on July 1, 2004
posted by Space Coyote at 12:56 AM on July 1, 2004
Doesn't matter who is his running mate, there is no way they (as in those in the Whitehouse) are giving up power. Bush will win.
posted by cmacleod at 4:51 AM on July 1, 2004
posted by cmacleod at 4:51 AM on July 1, 2004
You know, I'd rather have them take things away from us for the common good than for the elite good.
I'd rather keep my things and give them away voluntarily, rather than at the barrel of a gun.
posted by ZenMasterThis at 5:28 AM on July 1, 2004
I'd rather keep my things and give them away voluntarily, rather than at the barrel of a gun.
posted by ZenMasterThis at 5:28 AM on July 1, 2004
"You know, you can buy things on the Internet."
Except a clue :)
posted by soulhuntre at 5:34 AM on July 1, 2004
Except a clue :)
posted by soulhuntre at 5:34 AM on July 1, 2004
"I'd rather keep my things and give them away voluntarily, rather than at the barrel of a gun."
I'd rather that no-calorie, all-natural, organic donuts fell from the sky than hail, too, but I don't think its gonna happen.
posted by PigAlien at 6:14 AM on July 1, 2004
I'd rather that no-calorie, all-natural, organic donuts fell from the sky than hail, too, but I don't think its gonna happen.
posted by PigAlien at 6:14 AM on July 1, 2004
Sorry that troll didn't really work out this time Kablam, maybe try it again in the next Hillary thread?
posted by Armitage Shanks at 6:20 AM on July 1, 2004
posted by Armitage Shanks at 6:20 AM on July 1, 2004
Is this Hillary Clinton person someone that I'd have to own a TV to know about?
posted by spilon at 7:04 AM on July 1, 2004
posted by spilon at 7:04 AM on July 1, 2004
Keyser, punkin...is there some reason that you decided to randomly quote an excerpt from Breakfast of Champions by Kurt Vonnegut? (Without attribution I might add...terribly bad form, not attributing is.)
posted by dejah420 at 9:15 PM on July 1, 2004
posted by dejah420 at 9:15 PM on July 1, 2004
I felt Kurt Vonnegut had something very important to say about Hillary Clinton for Vice President. I agree that it is bad form to not attribute, so here is the book I quoted the entire post from: Breakfast of Champions.
posted by Keyser Soze at 9:43 PM on July 1, 2004
posted by Keyser Soze at 9:43 PM on July 1, 2004
Yes, I understand that you felt that way...but you didn't explain *why* you felt that way. What, as you perceive it, is the synergy behind an old newspost about the remote possibility of Mrs. Clinton being considered and that particular excerpt?
I see it as primarily a non-sequiter, help me see the connection.
posted by dejah420 at 9:42 AM on July 2, 2004
I see it as primarily a non-sequiter, help me see the connection.
posted by dejah420 at 9:42 AM on July 2, 2004
The connection between Kurt Vonnegut Jr's world of robots and the poor quality Fox news post is quite easy to see, I feel. But just to make sure that we are on the same level, I will be happy to explain myself.
First of all, you have to understand Kurt Vonnegut Jr. You see, he wrote the book as a self birthday present when he turned 50. No holds were punched, and he wrote whatever he felt like. Much like the writing and cohesive style of your average ametuer FOX news reporter, except that he or she is not creative. Second of all, Mr. Vonnegut once said "The two prime movers in the Universe are Time and Luck." which I think properly reflects the fact that if given enough time and luck, John Kerrys VP would be Hillary Clinton. The solipsism of all this reflects the average american: Stuck in their own world. The self destructive world of self-interest. Have you ever heard the saying the infirmity of man is brought on by his selfish cure? A very plausible argument could be that everyone but you is a machine invented by God to see how you would react. This works nicely post industrial revolution, and don't even get me started on the post modern ramifications.
Al in all, it is very easy for me to see the connection. Can you?
posted by Keyser Soze at 1:43 PM on July 2, 2004
First of all, you have to understand Kurt Vonnegut Jr. You see, he wrote the book as a self birthday present when he turned 50. No holds were punched, and he wrote whatever he felt like. Much like the writing and cohesive style of your average ametuer FOX news reporter, except that he or she is not creative. Second of all, Mr. Vonnegut once said "The two prime movers in the Universe are Time and Luck." which I think properly reflects the fact that if given enough time and luck, John Kerrys VP would be Hillary Clinton. The solipsism of all this reflects the average american: Stuck in their own world. The self destructive world of self-interest. Have you ever heard the saying the infirmity of man is brought on by his selfish cure? A very plausible argument could be that everyone but you is a machine invented by God to see how you would react. This works nicely post industrial revolution, and don't even get me started on the post modern ramifications.
Al in all, it is very easy for me to see the connection. Can you?
posted by Keyser Soze at 1:43 PM on July 2, 2004
Well, I begin to grasp how *you* see the connection...which is more than I did before.
As I see it, an impressionable madman reads a novel, and on the basis of this novel’s premise becomes convinced that every creature on earth with the exception of himself is a machine, which sets him on a violent rampage.
The section that you quote is the point at which the epistemological reading of the story, as an existential quest of the self and place in the universe, switches to a multi-level ontological allegory of the power of the "other" to rule the self.
Which brings to mind an entirely different set of connections than you have going.
posted by dejah420 at 7:49 PM on July 2, 2004
As I see it, an impressionable madman reads a novel, and on the basis of this novel’s premise becomes convinced that every creature on earth with the exception of himself is a machine, which sets him on a violent rampage.
The section that you quote is the point at which the epistemological reading of the story, as an existential quest of the self and place in the universe, switches to a multi-level ontological allegory of the power of the "other" to rule the self.
Which brings to mind an entirely different set of connections than you have going.
posted by dejah420 at 7:49 PM on July 2, 2004
wait a sec, so is Hillary the guy that reads the book, or are we the robots and the whole world that only exists for her?
posted by amberglow at 7:59 PM on July 2, 2004
posted by amberglow at 7:59 PM on July 2, 2004
If this is an argument to try to confuse (and arouse the self educational factor of english literature) the opposition in words, madam, you have won. I actually learned new words tonight, thank you. For fear of alienating my friends, this is refreshing. :)
posted by Keyser Soze at 3:35 AM on July 3, 2004
posted by Keyser Soze at 3:35 AM on July 3, 2004
not you amberglow
posted by Keyser Soze at 3:38 AM on July 3, 2004
posted by Keyser Soze at 3:38 AM on July 3, 2004
If this is an argument to try to confuse...
I knew graduate school would pay off someday... ;)
posted by dejah420 at 8:12 AM on July 3, 2004
I knew graduate school would pay off someday... ;)
posted by dejah420 at 8:12 AM on July 3, 2004
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