A former officer in the Texas National Guard said Thursday he once overheard a conversation in which there was a request to sanitize President Bush's Guard records during Bush's tenure as Texas governor.posted by kirkaracha at 7:55 AM on July 9, 2004
blacks in florida, who tend to vote for democrats, just happen to be disproportionately affected by a voter purgeThis statement is untrue. While African Americans tend to vote democratic and the voter purge process was flawed:
forgive me, but i don't understand how this claim that less than half the counties did not use the list excuses anything.No one is making excuses. What it means is that in 20 counties, felons were allowed to vote.
they might not have add access to all the records.Did you even read this link?
Yet Harris' office says it withheld records of what it termed personal e-mails from the computers used by Republican lobbyist J.M. "Mac" Stipanovich and political consultant Adam Goodman before providing data to news organizations a few weeks ago.These "records" are on a personal computer. At best, they'd indicate intent to manipulate the recount.
the pdf you sent me seems to take a particularly indignant tone,It's a dissenting opinion. It's not meant to represent my opinion, but it at least fills you in on the opinion of people who did not agree with the US Civil Rights Comission. Whether you agree with everything the dissenters say is irrelevant. Their point is that the US Civil Rights Commission did not report all of the facts and by doing so they did some harm to their argument by making it a partisan argument. The tone and some of their evidence may be subject to further scrutiny but their message was clear.
however, i'm sticking to the idea that mr. president has seemed to benefit quite a bit from things just happening.That's not a bad idea. Fool me once, shame on.... shame on.
it's all good, brother. (or sister, if that's more appropriate.) i come to mefi to discuss things like this b/c, sadly, i don't know everything and i can only learn by being engaged and debated. plus when i talk about things like this with people around me, their eyes glaze over after about 2.5 minutes....I don't see you as an adversary in any way. Instead, I've enjoyed our dialogue immensely. I feel the same as you about MeFi (and discussion in general).
why didn't they see to it that there was 100% compliance with the list?There are two possibilities that are possibly true at the same time.
An article yesterday about the destruction of some payroll records of National Guard members, including President Bush, misstated the record of White House acknowledgment of the loss. The White House indeed took note of the missing information last February when it released hundreds of pages of Mr. Bush's military files. In a briefing paper for reporters on Feb. 10, summarizing those files, it noted that payroll records for the third quarter of 1972 had been lost when they were transferred to microfiche.posted by Zed_Lopez at 3:54 PM on July 10, 2004
Of nearly 48,000 Florida residents on the felon list, only 61 are Hispanic. By contrast, more than 22,000 are African-American. About 8% of Florida voters describe themselves as Hispanic, and about 11% as black... black voters are overwhelmingly Democratic, while Hispanics in Florida tend to vote Republican... The paucity of Hispanic voters on the felon list was first reported Wednesday, by The Sarasota Herald-Tribune, but officials said then that the problem was not systematic. After The New York Times examined the data, state officials acknowledged that the method for matching lists of felons to those of voters automatically exempted all felons who identified themselves as Hispanic... The exclusion of Hispanics from the purge list explains some of the wide discrepancy in party affiliation of voters on the felon list, which bears the names of 28,025 Democrats and just 9,521 Republicans, with most of the rest unaffiliated."To my eyes, that looks like pretty damning evidence that the felon's list was designed to specifically reduce the Democrat vote.
a) the 2000 felons’ exclusion list had a considerable number of errors in it, probably between 20% and 30% of the names on the list were on there in error;The argument and sources I present above, despite troutfishing's attempt to skew my words otherwise, were not intended to say there was no disenfranchisment in the 2000 elections. Instead, I present the narrow argument that the implementation of the voter purge list was inconsistent and did not amount, in my point of view, to disenfranchisement.
b) these errors were racially biased, such that more African-American registered voters were on the list in error than either Whites or Latinos;
c) that the decentralized process by which the felons’ list was used to purge the voter rolls resulted in a sometimes judicious but sometimes partisan purging process – Democratic county supervisors were less likely to use the felons’ list than Republican ones, but even the latter found considerable, biased errors in the list. (1) Formatted for clarity
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