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	<title>Comments on: Creative Misuse and Abuse of Musical Tools</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:44:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Creative Misuse and Abuse of Musical Tools</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34526/Creative-Misuse-and-Abuse-of-Musical-Tools</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://besser.tsoa.nyu.edu/impact/f01/Focus/Media-arts/glitch/index.htm"&gt;Creative misuse and abuse of musical tools&lt;/a&gt; with a lot of examples</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:41:48 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ronsens</dc:creator>		<category>music</category>		<category>cacophony</category>		<category>electronica</category>
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		<title>By: wendell</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34526/Creative-Misuse-and-Abuse-of-Musical-Tools#706636</link>	
		<description>What? Nothing about Alison Hannigan&apos;s flute in &quot;American Pie&quot;?

&lt;small&gt;I apologize for this comment, and promise I will never do anything like it again for at least 24 hours,&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<dc:creator>wendell</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: m@</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34526/Creative-Misuse-and-Abuse-of-Musical-Tools#706643</link>	
		<description>Is it me or is there not a single reference to Sonic Youth anywhere on this site?  How can that be?  A band so into misuse of musical tools that when a TRUCKLOAD of them was stolen it was said that some of their songs could never be performed again without specific instruments.

Maybe I&apos;m being overcritical but how do you miss that?

On the other hand, John Cage!  John Zorn!  Kurtis Blow!  Even a shoutout to those genius&apos; of x-track tape, the Beatles.  Other than dissing Sonic Youth, this is good.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:00:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dhoyt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34526/Creative-Misuse-and-Abuse-of-Musical-Tools#706645</link>	
		<description>Very cool.

I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&amp;searchlink=FENNESZ&amp;uid=CADMR0407231600&amp;sql=11:dudyyl1oxpvb~T1&quot;&gt;Christian Fennesz&lt;/a&gt;, referenced &lt;a href=&quot;http://besser.tsoa.nyu.edu/impact/f01/Focus/Media-arts/glitch/glitch.htm&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, has succeeded in making some of the &quot;prettiest&quot; music using the glitch aesthetic without being too grating or atonal (well, for the most part). Some of it reminds me of My Bloody Valentine, minus drum machines or conventionally-played guitars.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:03:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: xmutex</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34526/Creative-Misuse-and-Abuse-of-Musical-Tools#706655</link>	
		<description>I second dhoyt&apos;s comments: fennesz&apos;s records &apos;Endless Summer&apos; and &apos;Venice&apos; are, you know, &lt;i&gt;mind-blowing&lt;/i&gt;. I also love Dan Abram&apos;s (mentioned on the same page) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=49&quot;&gt;Streams&lt;/a&gt; which is available on the generally great label &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.milleplateaux.com/&quot;&gt;Mille Plateaux&lt;/a&gt;.

Not mentioned is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.12k.com/deupree.htm&quot;&gt;Taylor Deupree&lt;/a&gt; who writes a lot of stirring minimal gitch, or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.microsound.org/&quot;&gt;microsound&lt;/a&gt; as the kids call it these days. Duepree also runs the labels &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.12k.com/&quot;&gt;12k and LINE&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:30:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dean King</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34526/Creative-Misuse-and-Abuse-of-Musical-Tools#706673</link>	
		<description>Great post, thank you. Wonderful to be able to hear some early tape works. Good accompanying essay too, detailing Barthes&apos; three types of listening as they relate to the &quot;semiotics of wrong sounds.&quot;

Further writings on glitch, these by Kim Cascone (a founder of microsound.org):
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fylkingen.se/hz/n3/cascone.html&quot;&gt;The Aesthetics of Failure: &apos;Post-Digital&apos; Tendencies in Contemporary Computer Music&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fylkingen.se/hz/n4/cascone.html&quot;&gt;Grain, Sequence, System: Three Levels of Reception in the Performance of Laptop Music&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:26:03 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dean King</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Peter H</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34526/Creative-Misuse-and-Abuse-of-Musical-Tools#706676</link>	
		<description>what an excellent site!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:33:03 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter H</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Satapher</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34526/Creative-Misuse-and-Abuse-of-Musical-Tools#706732</link>	
		<description>Derek Bailey is incredible.  see also Loren Mazzacane Connors (released by YOD)</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:32:31 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Satapher</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Satapher</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34526/Creative-Misuse-and-Abuse-of-Musical-Tools#706735</link>	
		<description>Sonic Youth were the first band of their ilk to make it big, but listen to early &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.glennbranca.com&quot;&gt;Glenn Branca&lt;/a&gt; (ie, Static and Theorhetical Girls) and you&apos;ll find their very obvious roots (not to mention Albert Ayler, Ornette Coleman, late Coltrane et al) 

In fact Ranaldo and Moore played with Branca before the birth of SY, and it is said that he &quot;introduced&quot; them to alternate tunings.

Sonic Youth is jesus.  But they&apos;re still pop as far as I can see... imho, middle eights made of noise doesnt put them in the same &apos;purely experimental&apos; category as Cage.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:42:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Twang</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34526/Creative-Misuse-and-Abuse-of-Musical-Tools#707057</link>	
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Thanks ronsens&lt;/b&gt;, this is really a kick-ass intro. Brief intro followed by loads of well-informed listening choices.

Anyone interested in hearing more about how all this got started might buy or borrow the 3-CD set &quot;Ohm-Early Gurus of Electronic&quot; (on Ellipsis Arts). The technical experimentation outlined on OHM led to today&apos;s incredible ferment -- promising an endlessly diverse, sonic-rich tomorrow.

For the technically-oriented (bring your algebra), &quot;Computer Music&quot; by Dodge and Jerse is a helpful guide to general principles, as is &quot;The Computer Music Tutorial&quot; by Curtis Roads.

ANYBODY with a computer can play with and record this sort of stuff. True! There&apos;s tons of freeware / shareware to get started with.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2004 13:49:29 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Twang</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: hama7</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34526/Creative-Misuse-and-Abuse-of-Musical-Tools#707148</link>	
		<description>Great find.  Thanks.

I have it on good authority that Autechre uses &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cycling74.com/products/maxmsp.html&quot;&gt;Max/MSP&lt;/a&gt;, among other things.  
In any case, this pre AskMetaFilter&lt;a href=&quot;http://metatalk.metafilter.com/mefi/3190&quot;&gt; thread&lt;/a&gt; is excellent.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:18:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>hama7</dc:creator>
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