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	<title>Comments on: Hackers == Terrorists?</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:03:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Hackers == Terrorists?</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=9248"&gt;Google, Yahoo, Alta Vista, others under attack?&lt;/a&gt; Despite all the big IPO news about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/&quot;&gt;Google&lt;/a&gt;, the bigger news today is that it &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.com.com/Outages+hit+Google+search/2100-1023_3-5283750.html&quot;&gt;doesn&apos;t&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3927963.stm&quot;&gt;work&lt;/a&gt;. Slap on an &lt;a href=&quot;http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-5283653.html&quot;&gt;age-discrimination suit&lt;/a&gt; while we&apos;re at it, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/26/technology/google/&quot;&gt;potential trouble&lt;/a&gt; for the IPO. Have Larry and Sergei finally pissed off the wrong people?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:00:42 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mrgrimm</dc:creator>		<category>google</category>		<category>ipo</category>		<category>business</category>		<category>technology</category>		<category>search</category>		<category>searchengines</category>
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		<title>By: maudlin</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#707997</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.ca&quot;&gt;Google Canada&lt;/a&gt; and a bunch of other affiliates still work -- for now.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:03:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nofundy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#707999</link>	
		<description>Connectivity problems are attributed to the MyDoom variant scanning domain names for email addresses.  
I love Google and these careless Windows folks are starting to piss me off with their stupidity and carelessness.  
I didn&apos;t care when it was SCO, or M$ the viruses were attacking, but don&apos;t mess with Google!</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:04:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kokogiak</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708000</link>	
		<description>Google CA does not work for me (neither does Google US). Same server error msg for both.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:05:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: maudlin</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708001</link>	
		<description>Crap. Now it doesn&apos;t work at all.

&lt;em&gt;::whimpers and clutches blankie::&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:07:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: influx</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708003</link>	
		<description>Google is working just fine for me here in the UK (.com and .co.uk), although there are &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3927963.stm&quot;&gt;reports of problems with .co.uk&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:13:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tommasz</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708009</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s fine here on the East Coast. 

And don&apos;t you wonder about a Windows worm that affects Google?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:22:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gwint</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708012</link>	
		<description>Here in NYC it&apos;s been down for over three hours now-- longest google downtime I can remember.

Also, google UK isn&apos;t working for me. (Note that the homepages of the google variants all load, but searches return error 503s)

I&apos;m a bit shocked considering Google, Yahoo and Altavista are all independent engines at this point... yikes.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:29:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mrgrimm</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708013</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;don&apos;t you wonder about a Windows worm that affects Google?&lt;/i&gt;

(IANAT so i cannot explain, but ...) from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://isc.sans.org/diary.php&quot;&gt;ISC&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;The latest version of MyDoom, which started arriving in peoples mail boxes in force today, uses search eninges [sic] to find more recipients for its message.

Once the virus is started, it searched the users files for domain names. Once it spotted a domain name (e.g. &apos;@example.com&apos;, or in &apos;www.example.com&apos;), it will search various search engines for valid e-mail addresses within these domains. These search engines include Lycos, Google, Altavista, Yahoo and possibly others. Some of the search strings used:

GET /default.asp?lpv=1&amp;amp;loc=searchhp&amp;amp;tab=web&amp;amp;query=e-mail+example.com

Some search engines report performance issues. &quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:29:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: baltimore</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708014</link>	
		<description>Seriously, though, how much of an outage could we manage before this begins to affect overall productivity? I know I&apos;ve grown to depend absolutely on Google for the quick first answer to just about any question.

This is like a time warp to ten years ago. Maybe that Google circa 1960 form that was circulating a while back wasn&apos;t so far-fetched....</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:29:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: synapse</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708019</link>	
		<description>Huh, at least for right this moment, it&apos;s working fine for me in CA.  I&apos;m almost scared to post this in a superstitious kind of way.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:34:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: chicobangs</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708021</link>	
		<description>I thought this was just the firewall here at the office. I&apos;m equally relieved and alarmed.

Gmail is still working fine, but I had no idea how often I actually went to Google every day.

I&apos;ve gotten a lot of work done today.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:36:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amro</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708024</link>	
		<description>Here in Cleveland it hasn&apos;t worked for hours - for me, anyway.  Also getting the error message for google.ie, google.co.uk, google.de, and google.ca.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:38:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DrJohnEvans</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708025</link>	
		<description>No problems in Toronto.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:38:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vidiot</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708027</link>	
		<description>Yahoo search still works just fine, and I sometimes prefer it to Google.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:39:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: caddis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708028</link>	
		<description>It has been down for me all day in NJ and AltaVista has been unbearably slow.  HotBot is working, but I can&apos;t seem to get it to return more than 10 results per page.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:39:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Keyser Soze</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708029</link>	
		<description>Google works fine from Oregon.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:41:00 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keyser Soze</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: bondcliff</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708030</link>	
		<description>I used a9.com and it seemed to work fine.  

Google&apos;s been down for a couple of hours here in Boston.  I figured they shut it down due to the DNC.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:41:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DrJohnEvans</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708031</link>	
		<description>Anybody want me to google something for them?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:42:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: baltimore</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708033</link>	
		<description>Just like that odd, disconnected moment when you reach for the light switch during a power failure, my first thought this morning was to Google for news of why this was happening.

Fortunately, at least at this moment, news.google.com is alive.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:46:37 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>baltimore</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: bob sarabia</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708042</link>	
		<description>google has been working in dallas all day as far as i can see.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:00:51 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>bob sarabia</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: kokogiak</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708047</link>	
		<description>Google searches appear to be back (for me at least - boston area). When this first came up, my initial instinct was to copy the Google error message, and paste it into google to see what other people were saying about it... d&apos;oh!</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:02:39 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kokogiak</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: twine42</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708054</link>	
		<description>just a thought... do all DNS listings for google point to the same place?

What I mean is, do the listings for .co.uk, .ca and .com in the uk all point to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and for people using american dns systems they point to yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:12:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mrgrimm</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708055</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;it just came back for me too. sorry for the newsfilter. i was just curious if there was a big story out there. i guess not.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:12:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Songdog</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708063</link>	
		<description>I was tempted to ask here myself when it disappeared for me (NYC) but others I asked could still get to it. It&apos;s back now, of course. I wonder whether they&apos;ll explain it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:27:08 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Songdog</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: kokogiak</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708072</link>	
		<description>Time for Google to update the &quot;Risk Factors&quot; section of their prospectus: &quot;Addendum - Additional risks: Virus-ridden Microsoft software might break Google.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:41:39 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kokogiak</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: caddis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708073</link>	
		<description>I am not so sure it is related to geography, as much as to your network.  This quote from a Google spokesman appeared in the MSNBC story, &quot;A small percentage of our users and networks that have the MyDoom virus have been affected for a longer period of time. &quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:43:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: majick</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708082</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;do all DNS listings for google point to the same place?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

No.  They use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.akamai.com/en/html/services/es_how_it_works.html&quot;&gt;Akamai DNS&lt;/a&gt; [horrible flash presentation], which has geographical features.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:00:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mwhybark</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708144</link>	
		<description>Here&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/06/16/HNakamai_1.html&quot;&gt;InfoWorld&apos;s postmortem&lt;/a&gt; on last month&apos;s Akamai DDoS attack.

Interesting to note that the hed mentions that it was targeted at specific cutomers. Could today&apos;s Google - er - bombing have been similar?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:44:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mwhybark</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: delmoi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708210</link>	
		<description>You people might want to check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alltheweb.com&quot;&gt;alltheweb&lt;/a&gt;.  Jesus, Google may have been revolutionary a couple years ago, but today most sites offer similar functionality.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:45:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dejah420</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708347</link>	
		<description>I dunno...could be me, but gmail and google seem to be down this morning.  Same for yahoo and mail.yahoo.  I think akamai is under attack again.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:40:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dejah420</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34577/Hackers-Terrorists#708353</link>	
		<description>Ummm...nevermind.  It was me.  D&apos;oh....I forgot I&apos;d set the firewall to block all traffic when I went to bed...I&apos;m cute, but I&apos;m not all that bright when I&apos;m doped up on cold medicine...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2004 06:48:24 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dejah420</dc:creator>
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