Comments on: Toppling Saddam: Iraq and American Military Transformation

Toppling Saddam: Iraq and American Military Transformation

y2karl — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:01:33 -0800

Toppling Saddam: Iraq and American Military Transformation (pdf) The relative speed and ease of the first phase of the war in Iraq are due in part to U.S. military prowess, but also to Iraqi weakness, according to a critical internal account prepared for the U.S. Army."The shortcomings of Saddam's military played an important role in limiting the cost of major combat operations in Operation Iraqi Freedom. Coalition strengths were important contributors, but so were Iraqi weaknesses."As a result, there are "important limitations on the Iraq War's lessons for other defense planning challenges.... The Iraqis' shortcomings created a permissive environment for Coalition technology that a more skilled opponent elsewhere might not," according to the study Foreword. The study, which does represent an official U.S. Army perspective, has not been formally released. See also Joe Galloway: Don't Take Too Much From U.S.' Iraq War Experience See also The Fallacies Of Military Transformation See also Victory Misunderstood: What the Gulf War Tells Us About the Future of Conflict See also Afghanistan and the Future of Warfare

By: hama7

hama7 — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:47:51 -0800

A war in Iraq? Did you reconsider before posting, or just ignore that line?

By: Space Coyote

Space Coyote — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:02:29 -0800

Thanks, y2k, that was an interesting read. Reminds me of the stories of Army higher-ups stopping war games because the 'other guys' were doing too well and were making the fancy tech look useless.

By: matteo

matteo — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:08:10 -0800

thanks karl

By: y2karl

y2karl — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:01:16 -0800

Well, aren't the links supposed to be new to the web, that it be unlikely they have ever been seen before? The report is new to the web and is not a news story or an op-ed and it did take some work to find it. New to the web: unlike another recent contribution--did you reconsider before posting, or just ignore that phrase?

By: boaz

boaz — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:02:15 -0800

I suspect the line hama7 was referring to was "If you're going to make a post related to Iraq, please reconsider, as the topic has been discussed previously many times." It's right on the page where one writes posts, where I'm sure both y2karl and hama7 have had plenty of opportunities to read it. As for the phrase "new to the web", I had less luck locating that; a quick googling shows only six results, none of which refer to post guidelines.

By: ParisParamus

ParisParamus — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:06:23 -0800

I propose that the United State military become 24% weaker; future invasions take 19% longer, and Europe, most Metafilter readers, and Noam Chomsky can sleep sounder.

By: kablam

kablam — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:22:45 -0800

I am reminded of the tale of a jealous small boy, whose little sister had just done very well at a dance recital. All the adults were admiring her in her outfit, as she was showing some of her ballet moves at home, and they were impressed with how skilled she was. The small boy just couldn't take it anymore, and dove under the table, red in the face and screaming and crying as loud as he could, "You're stupid! You're ugly! Cut it out god damn it! Damn you to hell!" while pounding his fists on the floor. Denial is just the first step in learning the truth.

By: sonofsamiam

sonofsamiam — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:37:48 -0800

...and I was that boy!!! *sob* Seriously, this is a great post, y2karl. ParisParamus: what are you talking about?! I don't think you even read the text of the post, let alone the linked articles.

By: ParisParamus

ParisParamus — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:48:58 -0800

Honestly? This time I did not read the posted materials. But I have a fair idea how the headlines will be interpreted by most of the readers here, and decided to address that...

By: y2karl

y2karl — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:52:07 -0800

Denial is just the first step in learning the truth. Judging from your predictions of record here, you are quite the expert on denial.

By: y2karl

y2karl — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:04:28 -0800

Links are links and can actually be posted with no editorial implied or attached--just like on C-SPAN. I found an interesting primary source. It came with no conclusions by me. Make of it what you will.

By: hama7

hama7 — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 16:31:45 -0800

Judging from your predictions of record here, you are quite the expert on denial. Guess what? Y2karl has a big, fat opinion about the war in Iraq. Again. Despite the posting guidelines, he has dumped a big, fat post about it on MetaFilter. Again. And so on.

By: fold_and_mutilate

fold_and_mutilate — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 17:54:12 -0800

Sheesh. I doubt some read beyond the word "Iraq" before having yet another big fat knee-jerk tantrum over the scary possibility of yet another big fat scary challenge to your world view. Funny how the mere word "Iraq" does that to a few here and there. I mean, hell, we know our gutless little invasion turned out to be the stuff of nightmares, but I wasn't aware how much we need to walk on eggshells around some over the issue. And exactly where was karl's opinion expressed....and so what if it had been? The main link and most of the supporting detail is about a major study done by those loony liberals at the big fat friggin' UNITED STATES ARMY WAR COLLEGE, fer chrissakes. Yeah. How commie is that? So, please Karl...try not to post from any more discredited commie, peace-mongering, traitorous sources like that.... ~wink~ See also "Military Operations: Fiscal Year 2004 Costs for the Global War on Terrorism Will Exceed Supplemental, Requiring DOD to Shift Funds from Other Uses".

By: clavdivs

clavdivs — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:32:42 -0800

"Boiled down, what the best thinkers in the Army are saying is that we cannot count on winning all future wars with two Special Forces A Teams and an Air Wing. Even with all the high-tech stuff, all the precision GPS-guided bombs, all the blinking markers on blue flat-panel screens, you may very well need Abrams tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles and Apache helicopters and well-trained infantrymen to whip your next enemy." really? How stunning. This guy means we still need tanks and planes? "They argue that advanced technology in the hands of the allies and a major difference in the level of training and skill between the opposing forces "enabled a small but skilled coalition force to defeat the world's 12th-largest military at very low cost." really, wow. stunning. Like the germans in 1939-1940. Right? All that high tech armor and tactics and training can win battles.

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:43:39 -0800

Please shoot me : I agree with hama7. *sobs*

By: matteo

matteo — Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:15:28 -0800

whose little sister had just done very well at a dance recital yeah, but you forgot the part where the little girl, at the end of the recital, gave those cute little Fascist, warmongering speech about how My Lai was very nice and Negroes shouldn't mess with white women or they'll end up in jail for a long time and a few thousand Iraqi civilians dead are OK retribution for 9-11and gays are second-class citizens sometimes the girl's speeches are not neven little and cute, but even big and fat. so it's not all about the dance recital, really but anyway fuck karl for linking commie sources like the famously cowardly, treasonous Foreign Affairs. it's just so nice at times to see and hear the armchair warmongers throw bitter tantrums, now that their little war has turned into an American GI killing machine, a budget buster, a moral and public relations disaster that showed to the world how Bush's War is a sad laughingstock. the weight of all that innocent blood must be too much to bear at times, even for the most coldhearted sons of bitches. maybe there's still hope for them, who knows. maybe they do have nightmares at times, about all those screaming Iraqis, all those US-flag-draped coffins secretly flying back home

By: homunculus

homunculus — Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:05:00 -0800

Chalabi Returns as Shiite Populist

By: homunculus

homunculus — Thu, 29 Jul 2004 11:56:29 -0800

One of the world's leading frontline aid organisations, Médecins sans Frontières, is pulling out of Afghanistan after 24 years because of a deterioration in security.

By: y2karl

y2karl — Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:06:52 -0800

Y2karl has a big, fat opinion about the war in Iraq. Again. That was a link--not an opinion. There is a difference. And so on.