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	<title>Comments on: Remedios Varo</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:45:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Remedios Varo</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.honmex.com/eros/varo/gallery.html"&gt;Remedios Varo Gallery:&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.honmex.com/eros/varo/wallpaper/rv050.jpg&quot;&gt;Lovers.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.honmex.com/eros/varo/wallpaper/rv024.jpg&quot;&gt;Insomnia.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.honmex.com/eros/varo/wallpaper/rv037.jpg&quot;&gt;Reborn.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.honmex.com/eros/varo/wallpaper/rv016.jpg&quot;&gt;Hairy Locomotion.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.honmex.com/eros/varo/wallpaper/rv044.jpg&quot;&gt;Vegetarian Vampires.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eyeconart.net/history/Surrealism/varostill.htm&quot;&gt;Still Life Reviving.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/small&gt; Varo, who always seems to have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thespleen.com/otherorgans/otherorgans/index.php?artID=717&quot;&gt;&quot;neglected&quot;&lt;/a&gt; before her name, was a Spanish-born surrealist in whose work &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0268/is_3_39/ai_67935468&quot;&gt;&quot;curious forces seem everywhere to compel even more curious people to acts of some charged significance.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;small&gt; (inspired/reminded by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/34603&quot;&gt;this.&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:39:24 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>soyjoy</dc:creator>		<category>Art</category>
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		<title>By: soyjoy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34608/Remedios-Varo#708910</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;I know, some of these digital images are a little off-color or grainy, but it was the only site I could find with relatively large-size images. For better reproductions and more info I recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0789206277/002-7924047-4400055?%5Fencoding=UTF8&amp;me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&quot;&gt;Unexpected Journeys,&lt;/a&gt; the book by which I found out about, and fell in love with, Varo&apos;s work.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: kozad</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34608/Remedios-Varo#708928</link>	
		<description>Her bio gives her serious Surrealist cred, but her work looks more like fantasy art than Surrealism to me.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:25:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: KirkJobSluder</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34608/Remedios-Varo#709034</link>	
		<description>kozad:

I&apos;m wondering how you define the two.  Personally, I see surrealism as art that relies on suprise, juxtiposition, metamorphosis and sub-consious association as its primary methods.  I see all of this in Varo&apos;s work. 

Fantasy art to me seems to be more along the lines of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imaginistix.com/&quot;&gt;Vallejo and Bell&apos;s&lt;/a&gt; &quot;Beautiful women and heroic men.&quot;  Fantasy Art to me seems a bit too much straight-forward illustration in its presentation of idealized scenes from other worlds and times.  Certainly there are cross-over artists like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hrgiger.com/&quot;&gt;Giger&lt;/a&gt; but for the most part it seems that fantasy art seems to avoid the kinds of ambiguities and suprises that are central to surrealism.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:56:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kozad</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34608/Remedios-Varo#709286</link>	
		<description>KirkJS:  Well-argued!  Varo is certainly not a fantasy artist along the lines of the artists you mentioned.  I like her work, actually.  But I don&apos;t think she has the surrealist gravitas of Ernst Tanguy Magritte et al (I&apos;m leaving out Dali, in deference to Breton).  Surrealists eschew rational and mythological references in their work, quite unlike Varo.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:23:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: vacapinta</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34608/Remedios-Varo#709390</link>	
		<description>Vegetarian vampires is so beautifully wierd. My favorite painting though is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.honmex.com/eros/varo/wallpaper/rv007.jpg&quot;&gt;The Creation of the Birds&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:51:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Katemonkey</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34608/Remedios-Varo#709439</link>	
		<description>I don&apos;t know, kozad -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fridakahlo.it/&quot;&gt;Kahlo&lt;/a&gt; used a hell of a lot of mythological references in her paintings, and most people call her a surrealist.

It&apos;s a shame that she was in Mexico at the same time as Kahlo &amp;amp; Rivera, but didn&apos;t really connect with them -- I can only imagine what &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; would&apos;ve created...</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:51:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: soyjoy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34608/Remedios-Varo#709588</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Surrealists eschew rational and mythological references in their work, quite unlike Varo.&lt;/i&gt;

OK, so Dali wasn&apos;t a surrealist, because he sure didn&apos;t eschew mythological references in &lt;a href=&quot;http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~echernob/a7/a7images/metaofnarcissus.jpg&quot;&gt;Metamorphosis of Narcissus&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://dali.karelia.ru/images/works/1977_02.jpg&quot;&gt;The Happy Unicorn&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://dali.karelia.ru/images/works/1958_08.jpg&quot;&gt;Dionysus Spitting...&quot;&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://dali.karelia.ru/images/works/1944_04.jpg&quot;&gt;Tristan and Isolde&lt;/a&gt; (among others).

Varo clearly belongs to the surrealist tradition both in her history and her use of imagery. I really don&apos;t see the point in trying to pick that apart or place her into some other genre. It&apos;s the power of the paintings, whatever you enjoy calling them, that counts.

&lt;i&gt;It&apos;s a shame that she was in Mexico at the same time as Kahlo &amp;amp; Rivera, but didn&apos;t really connect with them -- I can only imagine what that would&apos;ve created...&lt;/i&gt;

I agree - but accoring to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thespleen.com/otherorgans/otherorgans/index.php?artID=717&quot;&gt;this,&lt;/a&gt; which may not be definitive, the lack of connection was Kahlo&apos;s choice: &quot;Kahlo did not welcome or support the women artists who had come from France to Mexico as refugees. In fact she detested them, calling them &quot;those artistic bitches of Paris,&quot; and declaring they caused her to vomit, because they were &apos;rotten&apos; and &apos;intellectual.&apos;&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:19:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ewkpates</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34608/Remedios-Varo#709708</link>	
		<description>Varo is an amazing artist, really really wonderful.

The whole fantasy art argument is moronic.  Please.  Is there even such a thing as &quot;fantasy art&quot;?  And by &quot;art&quot; I do not mean &quot;something pretty&quot;.

I saw some of her stuff for the first time in a women and surrealism show.  She used mother-of-pearl in some of her paintings to amazing effect.  I remember walking through the rooms looking at the art, and then I got to Varo, and stopped.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:22:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: KirkJobSluder</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/34608/Remedios-Varo#709736</link>	
		<description>It seems rather odd to me to define Surrealism in such a way that excludes artists who showed in surrealist exhibitions and published in surrealst experimental fiction journals.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:50:17 -0800</pubDate>
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