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Bush using powerful mind altering anti-depressants to control depression, erratic behavior.... "It's a double-edged sword," says one aide. "We can't have him flying off the handle at the slightest provocation but we also need a President who is alert mentally." ... note Yes this is bias-filter but it is highly unlikely the author of the article is making up the story, since using the names of prominent people (Stanford psychiatrists, etc) to promote a false story would instigate a serious law suit not only from the professors/psychiatrists mentioned in the article, but possibly from Bush himself.
posted by Peter H (56 comments total)

This post was deleted for the following reason: Batboy for vice prez! Bigfoot spotted on the capitol hill lawn! etc



 
We have to face the very real possibility that the President of the United States is loony tunes.

I personally would have used "bonkers" instead of "loony tunes," but I suppose the sentiment is the same.
posted by tcobretti at 8:34 AM on July 29, 2004


The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment on this article.

Shocking!

As pure entertainment though, I kind of enjoyed this. It's 2 small steps removed from a Weekly World News "Aliens run the White House" kind of thing.
posted by jalexei at 8:35 AM on July 29, 2004


Metafilter: Keep those motherfuckers away from me.
posted by the fire you left me at 8:36 AM on July 29, 2004


All of the quotes from academics are related to a book by Justin Frank psychoanalyzing the president from afar. They don't specifically address the allegation that the president is on anti-depressants.
posted by rcade at 8:39 AM on July 29, 2004


This is nothing but sleazy rumor-mongering and specious speculation. Having said that, this is the sort of thing that Democrats have had to endure from Drudge and his ilk for the past ten years. I say, turnabout is fair play. ;-)
posted by psmealey at 8:42 AM on July 29, 2004


This is the second really out there article posted to mefi from this capitalhillblue site making some mostly unsupporting accusations.

Come on people, really, there are plenty of actual (or at least proven) things to criticise the current administration about, promoting junk like this just makes you look like a conspiracy nut.
posted by malphigian at 8:43 AM on July 29, 2004


"The prescription drugs . . . can impair the President’s mental faculties"

They forgot to add "more than usual" to the end of that sentence.
posted by Outlawyr at 8:44 AM on July 29, 2004


I'm thinking this one won't survive the half-hour. But, who knows? The mathowie is a capricious god.

"The doctors also worry about the wisdom of giving powerful anti-depressant drugs to a person with a history of chemical dependency."

Riiight. Is someone confusing "antidepressant" with "antianxiety"? Because I think someone is.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, if Bush isn't more Nixonesque behind the scenes than many think. All indications are that he and his inner circle haven't a clue as to why things have so consistently turned to shit. I'm sure he's paranoid and frustrated.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 8:45 AM on July 29, 2004


I'm as eager to see Bush fall as anyone you're likely to meet. However, even if Bush were taking antidepressants, so what? Properly prescribed, they can be exceedingly useful drugs. I mean, it's pretty likely that he'd be taking the most modern incarnations, and isn't just lying around doped up on lithium.
posted by aramaic at 8:46 AM on July 29, 2004


Whoever wrote this knows nothing about antidepressants. When I was on them my mind was never clearer. Too bad I can't take them now.

I don't believe a word of the article, of course.
posted by konolia at 8:47 AM on July 29, 2004


Good thing Cheney is president.

/remember to tip your servers!
posted by skallas at 8:48 AM on July 29, 2004


Shocking!

Ha, ain't it?

promoting junk like this just makes you look like a conspiracy nut.

Now, now. Just adding carrots to an already meaty fact-based stew, malphigian!
posted by Peter H at 8:49 AM on July 29, 2004


Aramaic: I don't believe this story, but I think it would be hugely newsworthy if a person who can initiate global nuclear annihilation was on anti-depressants.

Thirty years ago, Thomas Eagleton stepped down as the Democratic vice presidential nominee after it was revealed that he was hospitalized on three occasions for depression and had undergone electroshock therapy.
posted by rcade at 8:52 AM on July 29, 2004


... details of the President’s health and any drugs or treatment he may receive are not public record and are guarded zealously by the secretive cadre of aides

The nurses at my doctor's office would do the same thing, but that doesn't make them a "zealous" and "secretive" "cadre".
posted by coelecanth at 8:54 AM on July 29, 2004


This is not just stupid, it's destructive. Everytime some quasi-liberal conspiracy rag prints an article like this, it detracts attention from the very real policy problems in this administration, and gives moderates reason to dismiss the left as a bunch of nutjobs.

If you want to talk about conspiracy, let's look at the government handouts to large corporations in the pharamceutical, agricultural, and defense lobbies. Let's not talk about Bush as an incoherent raving lunatic unless there's real evidence of that. Bush is much more dangerous as a deliberate and sane tool of corporate interests than he would ever be as a frothing crank.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 8:56 AM on July 29, 2004


Not even remotely verging on mildly amusing.

Couldn't hit the droll duck at two yards with a sawed-off shotgun full of funny-shot.
posted by hama7 at 8:56 AM on July 29, 2004


It's a good thing that Bush get's his medications from Canada too. I can't imagine tax payers being happy for footing the bill for his drugs.

Bush-Cheney '04: "Keep those motherfuckers away from me."
posted by DragonBoy at 8:59 AM on July 29, 2004


This is the second really out there article posted to mefi from this capitalhillblue site making some mostly unsupporting accusations.

Come on people, really, there are plenty of actual (or at least proven) things to criticise the current administration about, promoting junk like this just makes you look like a conspiracy nut.


.

Exactly.

And, yes, Peter H, you do look like a conspiracy nut. And an ignorant one too, for using such an unreliable source (as explained over and over by people in the previous post on THIS SAME BULLSHIT TOPIC) for such a specious reason. Yeah, uh, it must be true if it quotes real people, even if the quotes don't say the same thing as the headline and aren't from the same source!

Sure I'd like this to be true. Sure there's probably value in spreading these lies; probably my interests benefit if the public keeps hearing rumors that Bush is literally crazy. But it's sick and it's wrong and its dishonest and it's DEFINITELY not the Best of the Web.

posted by jbrjake at 8:59 AM on July 29, 2004


Bush is much more dangerous as a deliberate and sane tool of corporate interests than he would ever be as a frothing crank.

Ah, but if he's not the man behind the curtain, isn't it best to keep the fool in front of the cameras medicated and without an opinion? Or clearheaded enough to see the true harm done by others to the country you're mentioning?
posted by Peter H at 8:59 AM on July 29, 2004


(on preview) Thanks, jbrjake!
posted by Peter H at 9:01 AM on July 29, 2004


This isn't just BiasFilter, it's MisleadingPostFilter.

There's two aspects to the article:

1. CapitolHillBlue claims that it has learned--no source is identified--that Bush is on "powerful anti-depressant drugs."

2. Bush is "diagnosed" as being all sorts of loony by several psychiatrists based on their observation of his public actions--none of them have treated him personally.

Despite the implication of the FPP, nowhere do the named psychiatrists actually say that Bush is on meds. The psychiatrists would probably only even consider suing if the part of the article about them was false; merely being mentioned in the same article with false information is insufficient, regardless of what Peter H would have us believe.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 9:02 AM on July 29, 2004


...more Nixonesque behind the scenes....

Therein lies, I think, the germ of truth in this story.

Nixon got pretty out there on the last night. But while, yes, he was paranoid and vindictive in the years and months before, I don't believe he was crazy. He had a bad night.

That said, there are a lot of things on those tapes that, taken out of context, could make him sound like a raving loon. I think the truth is more that he just didn't have much respect for people when the cameras weren't rolling. I think the same is true about GWB: He's an asshole, and maybe delusional, but I don't believe he's unstable in quite the way that's implied here.

That said, I think that an O'Reilly-esque outburst probably is a real possibility every time someone has the temerity to actually say things he doesn't want to hear...
posted by lodurr at 9:02 AM on July 29, 2004


There should be a MeFi penalty box for knowingly posting garbage like this. Someone posted roughly the same story last month.
posted by planetkyoto at 9:08 AM on July 29, 2004


It also brings back memories of Richard Nixon’s final days when the soon-to-resign President wondered the halls and talked to portraits of former Presidents. The stories didn’t emerge until after Nixon left office.

If you'll excuse me, I think I'll go and wonder the halls, too.
posted by devbrain at 9:13 AM on July 29, 2004


Even if this is complete bullshit, I love it.

“President Bush is an untreated alcoholic with paranoid and megalomaniac tendencies,” Dr. Frank adds.
posted by Grod at 9:14 AM on July 29, 2004


I don't believe a word of the article, of course.

of course. I wonder if you don't believe the Nixon tapes either. after all, they could be a forgery right?

Tapes: Nixon too drunk to discuss ’73 Arab-Israeli war
President couldn’t take a call from British PM at time of high superpower tensions

The call between Kissinger, Nixon's secretary of state and national security adviser, and Brent Scowcroft came just days into the 1973 Arab-Israeli war and centered on Prime Minister Edward Heath's desire to speak with Nixon about the Middle East. "Can we tell them no?," Kissinger asked Scowcroft. "When I talked to the president, he was loaded." Kissinger then told Scowcroft that Nixon "will be available tomorrow morning our time."

In another conversation, Mr Kissinger complains to an aide that the president's tough remarks on Israel could "start a war". The aide attempts to allay his fears, saying the president was "just unwinding". To assure him Mr Nixon did not always mean what he said, he recounts how the president had recently asked for the briefcase containing the controls to America's nuclear arsenal. "For what?" asked Mr Kissinger. "He is going to drop it on the Hill," said the aide. "What I am saying is, don't take him too seriously." The Capitol Hill in Washington was then the scene of impeachment hearings against President Nixon.

_____________


Bush-Cheney '04: "Keep those motherfuckers away from me

you should see how good that looks in 72-point Bodoni
posted by matteo at 9:16 AM on July 29, 2004


I consider Nixon a wonderful 50/50 blend of Cheney and Bush!
With Cheney being the frontal and temporal lobe.
posted by Peter H at 9:19 AM on July 29, 2004


Peter H, if you feel like you need to defend your post in the post itself, you might want to think twice before posting. Particularly where the premise of your "defense" is flawed.
posted by pardonyou? at 9:21 AM on July 29, 2004


Karl Rove, of course, is the pineal gland.

(or the puny heel gland - rimshot)
posted by Peter H at 9:21 AM on July 29, 2004


"powerful anti-depressant drugs to a person with a history of chemical dependency"

You don't get "hooked" on antidepressants. On the other hand, being depressed can lead you to drink. So, if the prez is on anti-d's, it's a good thing.

And this source is crap.
posted by wheat at 9:23 AM on July 29, 2004


I recently heard that Bush has only one testicle.
*ducks*
posted by tcp at 9:27 AM on July 29, 2004


Peter H, if you feel like you need to defend your post in the post itself, you might want to think twice before posting. Particularly where the premise of your "defense" is flawed.

pardonyou? pardonme?
Nope. My defense is fine. It wasn't even a defense. I just pointed out, for discussion sake, that the psychiatrists cited in the article do exist at major universities. Next question!
posted by Peter H at 9:30 AM on July 29, 2004


(on preview) wheat, you don't become hooked on anti-depressants but different mindsets do respond to them differently. Case in point this mefi thread on an otherwise harmless antidepressant. Point being, while usually helpful, some drugs are harmful to the wrong people. Alcolohics do have a different sort of chemical response/mania that non-alcoholics do not.

I personally had huge problems with antidepressants, increasing my problems instead of helping them. And have known others who developed hallucinations and panic attacks, as well as becoming very sleepy.

I personally assert Cheney knows the best chemists in the world, and it just takes a grin from one of dad's good friends to have Bush drink the pill and finish the apple juice all the way down.
posted by Peter H at 9:33 AM on July 29, 2004


I'm a professor of science at an accredited medical college in the Philippines and I have to say this story rings true.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 9:41 AM on July 29, 2004


The story is crap, but I don't doubt that Bush is a pathetic shell of a human being who will eventually collapse under the weight of his own bullshit, and it's going to be a wonderful thing.
Don't forget that his dad was taking Halcion while in office.
posted by 2sheets at 9:43 AM on July 29, 2004


it is highly unlikely the author of the article is making up the story, since using the names of prominent people (Stanford psychiatrists, etc) to promote a false story would instigate a serious law suit

The psychiatrists quoted in the story said nothing about the veracity of the charges themselves. They just commented on their view of Bush's psychological makeup in the book that one of them wrote.

That said, some people have commented that Bush's inarticulate language and slurred speech was nowhere to be found during his gubernatorial campaigns in the 1990s. It came about more recently. Plus, how many adults do you know that bruised their faces choking on food?
posted by deanc at 9:51 AM on July 29, 2004


as well as becoming very sleepy.
I personally assert Cheney knows the best chemists in the world, and it just takes a grin from one of dad's good friends to have Bush drink the pill and finish the apple juice all the way down.
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Which could cut down on his jogging time. What is he taking that stimulates his wake up?

posted by thomcatspike at 9:55 AM on July 29, 2004


"He's a paranoid megalomaniac."
I'll say he's paranoid. He seems to believe that there's some shadowy group of Middle-Easterners plotting to fly a plane into his house or perform some other sneaky, violent act against the nation he's sworn to protect and defend. He's under the wild impression that tens of thousands of America's media and academic elite hate him with a terrible passion and are turning the conversation at every dinner party, reception and other social event in America over to the exclusive topic of how much they hate him.
As far a being a megalomaniac is being concerned, this poor dope seems to think he's the commander-in-chief of the world's most powerful armed forces, and that with one word he could launch a nuclear war that would destroy the earth for all time. What a nut! What an imagination!
posted by Faze at 9:56 AM on July 29, 2004


So what you're telling me is the president shouldn't be operating heavy machinery?
posted by yerfatma at 10:00 AM on July 29, 2004


Ever notice a President’s hair grays faster than most in the public eye. Stress can cause sleepiness.
Have a friend who is stressed{out of their control} and sleeps a lot or some days is lacking strength. {the situation would put all in a stress state}
posted by thomcatspike at 10:00 AM on July 29, 2004


I blinked and we're posting tabloidish Capitol Hill Blue links these days? Amazing. Note their homepage headlines: "Retired Military Leader Says Bush Screwing the Pooch in War on Terrorism", "The Whore Look is Out", and so on. I guess NewsMax or Indymedia or Drudge articles can't be far behind.

Peter H, c'mon, deep down, man to man, MeFite to MeFite, on the level, objectively speaking, in all frankness and in the clear light of day: you know this is a seriously shitty news-lite post.
posted by dhoyt at 10:01 AM on July 29, 2004


First comment above, last line, Which could cut down . Should not be italicized.
Not sure where the open italicize came from.
posted by thomcatspike at 10:04 AM on July 29, 2004


Surely humor has a place on metafilter - this stuff is comedy gold!

"Keep those motherfuckers away from me!" indeed. All of a sudden, I've got high hopes for the Republican convention.

I'll cross my fingers and hope ...
posted by rks404 at 10:14 AM on July 29, 2004


dhoyt - what, you think The Whore Look isn't out?

But yeah, crappy post without any other sources.
posted by soyjoy at 10:19 AM on July 29, 2004


dhoyt, ;)

to Faze: you need a copy-editor. (pulls out thick black pen, hopes it has enough ink...)

I'll say he's paranoid. (true! check mark)

He seems to believe that there's some shadowy group of Middle-Easterners plotting to fly a plane into his house (minus points! - it isn't a shadowy group if the funds for such group come from business associates of your family)

or perform some other sneaky, violent act against the nation (if you mean rigging elections and lying to the country in a series of simple redundant untrue statements about evil and terror, than yes, this is a true statement! check mark)

the country he's sworn to protect and defend.(minus points! ask the world (not fox news, but the world media) ask the freakin world how well he's defending us ... you're batting .500 here, two wrong, two right)

He's under the wild impression that tens of thousands of America's media and academic elite hate him with a terrible passion and are turning the conversation at every dinner party,(correct! up a point. bonus essay question: why are they so critical?)

a reception and other social event in America over to the exclusive topic of how much they hate him.(incorrect! minus points. I'd say the social events for Big Business greet him pretty well. An unemployment line or say a veteran without medical insurance might be a little less warm, though. Again, you are half right and half-wrong)

you make four true statements in a row here, however:
As far a being a megalomaniac is being concerned, this poor dope seems to think he's the commander-in-chief of the world's most powerful armed forces, TRUE
and that with one word he could launch a nuclear war that would destroy the earth for all time. TRUE
What a nut! TRUE What an imagination! TRUE

I'll give you this, you make a great argument in the end. B+!
posted by Peter H at 10:26 AM on July 29, 2004


Speaking of "news", did you d00ds hear the 9/11 "hijackers" were STILL ALIVE?? And they're, like, good friends with Bush and stuff. Because he helped them plot 9/11 so he could steal oil from Jewish leprechauns and enslave their unicorns. And, like, the terrorists helped him with that.

Seriously!

I read it online somewhere.


The Whore Look is here to stay!
posted by dhoyt at 10:27 AM on July 29, 2004


Just another KeepthosemotherfuckersawayfrommeFilter post.
posted by Outlawyr at 10:30 AM on July 29, 2004


rcade wrote: "I don't believe this story, but I think it would be hugely newsworthy if a person who can initiate global nuclear annihilation was on anti-depressants.

Thirty years ago, Thomas Eagleton stepped down as the Democratic vice presidential nominee after it was revealed that he was hospitalized on three occasions for depression and had undergone electroshock therapy."


Firstly, why is the fact that someone might be on anti-depressants necessarily be a bad thing? Does that automatically mean that this person can't be trusted with serious responsibility? When I had to go on anti-depressants, I got much much better & my mind was much clearer once they started working. I could also handle stress better and make good decisions more easily. Now, obviously this might not be true of everyone, particularly if they weren't on the right anti-depressant for them, but I think that by & large, these drugs do help people and I'm sure that the President has the best mental-health care at his disposal, should he need it.

As to your second point -- that was, as you say, thirty years ago. Depression treatments have come a long way, as have social attitudes about mental illnesses such as depression & anxiety. (Though, imho, attitudes could still use some improving.) Should a history of depression automatically make someone untrustworthy? It's an illness, for pete's sake, not a severe character flaw or an indication that someone is a bad person who should never, ever be trusted with responsibility, particularly if they're in successful treatment, or if the difficulties occurred in their past history and they're basically okay now. Lots of us out here are living with a history of recurrent depression, and coping just fine.

Please note that I'm about as anti-Bush as you can get, so I'm not necessarily trying to defend the President -- but if we need something to pick on or some reason why he shouldn't be President, I'd say that whatever mental health issues he may or may not be in treatment for are pretty low priority. I mean, there's that whole War in Iraq thing, the potential that his whole administration is lying to us, serious questions about aiding and abetting war profiteers, etc.
posted by dryad at 10:30 AM on July 29, 2004


tens of thousands of America's media and academic elite hate him with a terrible passion and are turning the conversation at every dinner party

on the other hand, a few very happy CEO's of military-industrial complex industries, of Big Pharma companies, insurance companies, energy companies, etc, love him so much they practically cream their pants with tax-evading, corporate-welfare-loving glee at the simple mention of his name. so it's par for the course
posted by matteo at 10:34 AM on July 29, 2004


(and those rich people's dinner parties are so much more posh than the low-pay academic's dinners, as I am sure you know. so he's loved by better-fed people, to say the least. with 50% of those trillions of dollars of tax cuts going to the richest 1% of Americans, it's inevitable I guess)
posted by matteo at 10:37 AM on July 29, 2004


[this is bad]

I hate Bush as much as the next guy, but this article is utter shite. And Peter H, your obnoxious, condescending "rebuttals" aren't helping your case any.

Come on people, really, there are plenty of actual (or at least proven) things to criticise the current administration about, promoting junk like this just makes you look like a conspiracy nut.

amen, brother.
posted by mkultra at 10:38 AM on July 29, 2004


"are turning the conversation at every dinner party"

That's how we're going to win this election, one dinner party at a time. Say, would any of you academic elite mefite's care to stop by my place for a little tofu spaghetti and passionate hate?
posted by Outlawyr at 10:40 AM on July 29, 2004


To extend dryad's point (just a little) - Abraham Lincoln - Winston Churchill - manic depressives.

Maybe if Bush was actually depressed, he'd be a better leader. couldn'tbeanyfrikkinworse
posted by Blue Stone at 10:41 AM on July 29, 2004


One more Kerry voter who found this post smug, groundless and entirely inappropriate. You're doing a bang-up job with your "base" here, Peter H, given that scarcely a single person in this admittedly left-leaning enclave has defended you and the crackpots you're trying to publicize. This is the point at which grown-ups tend to admit fault and apologize. You'll be doing nothing of the sort, though, right?
posted by Sinner at 10:45 AM on July 29, 2004


god do I hate that man, but this article is shit.

Best of the web indeed.
posted by jmgorman at 10:46 AM on July 29, 2004


I, for one, welcome our new motherfucking overlords.

sorry, but someone had to do it...
posted by johnny vagabond at 10:59 AM on July 29, 2004


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