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	<title>Comments on: Ice, ice, baby!</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:44:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Ice, ice, baby!</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3554626.stm"&gt;The President plans yet another silly boondoggle&lt;/a&gt; and introduces &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3528746.stm&quot;&gt;faith-based driver education&lt;/a&gt;. What President are we talking about?  Why, Saparmyrat Niyazov, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/31/60minutes/main590913.shtml&quot;&gt;president-for-life&lt;/a&gt; of Turkmenistan.   Or, as he likes to be called, &quot;Turkmenbashi&quot;--the &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3528746.stm&quot;&gt;&quot;leader of all Turkmen&quot;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;

He&apos;s got a lot of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/05/02/wturk02.xml&amp;sSheet=/portal/2004/05/02/ixportal.html&quot;&gt;spiritual ideas&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2000/09/rall2.html&quot;&gt; 24/7 TV coverage&lt;/a&gt;.  
Hey--he&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-3950126,00.html&quot;&gt;against gold&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/rca/rca_200404_278_4_eng.txt&quot;&gt; teeth&lt;/a&gt; and circuses.  If it weren&apos;t for his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/1999/366.htm&quot;&gt;dismal human rights record&lt;/a&gt;, I might vote for him myself.
&lt;small&gt;Sometimes I have to remind myself that there are, in fact, much worse choices than the ones I have for November.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:41:09 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Sidhedevil</dc:creator>		<category>saparmyatniyazov</category>		<category>president</category>		<category>turkmenistan</category>		<category>turkmenbashi</category>		<category>policies</category>
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		<title>By: fleener</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35237/Ice-ice-baby#724652</link>	
		<description>At least the president of Turkmenistan isn&apos;t pushing the world toward Armageddon.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:44:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sidhedevil</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35237/Ice-ice-baby#724653</link>	
		<description>Whoops, I suck.  I just reflexively put those damn s in there.

Fleener, my guess is that if Turkmenbashi &lt;i&gt;could&lt;/i&gt; push the world toward Armageddon, he would.  He and Kim Jong Il are neck-and-neck in the World&apos;s Craziest Dictator sweepstakes.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:46:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sidhedevil</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35237/Ice-ice-baby#724654</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;{those damn paragraph tags}&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:47:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: homunculus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35237/Ice-ice-baby#724657</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=http://monkeyfilter.com/link.php/1178&gt;The Epic of Turkmenbashi&lt;/a&gt;, as told by beeswacky.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:53:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sidhedevil</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35237/Ice-ice-baby#724661</link>	
		<description>I feel weird being even remotely in synch with MoFi.   I was actually turned on to Turkmenbashi by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060524421/qid=1093661802/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-5963235-9066421?v=glance&amp;s=books&amp;n=507846&quot;&gt;this book&lt;/a&gt;--a fun read, but it doesn&apos;t rhyme. 

beeswacky for Poet Laureate.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:58:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: philfromhavelock</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35237/Ice-ice-baby#724668</link>	
		<description>Thanks, sidhedevil.  I didn&apos;t know this.  

From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rukhnama.com/book/section1.htm&quot;&gt;rukhnama.com&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;&lt;em&gt;They falsely represented the nation of T&#252;rkmens as pillagers and merciless slaughterers, and described them as a wild community who kill each other, living in tents, an ignorant, uneducated and nomadic nation.  These kinds of unjust and aberrant assertions are the political tricks which aimed to erode the legendary past of T&#252;rkmen people and their contribution to the history of the development of the world through many centuries, to justify their invasion of its land and to take the T&#252;rkmen nation captive.&lt;/em&gt;.&quot;  Interesting read.  But I&apos;m not buying &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rukhnama.com/id28.htm&quot;&gt;one&lt;/a&gt;.  

Pierre Trudeau wrote about this in the sixties: large countries break into smaller countries on nationalistic/racial lines from the impetus of maltreatment and end up with fewer freedoms, smaller economic base and under the sway of cult of personality.  Nationalism and cult of personality were similar.  (If I weren&apos;t so tired, I would google for Trudeau quotes.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:03:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jonp72</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35237/Ice-ice-baby#724680</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;he&apos;s against gold teeth&lt;/em&gt;

Niyazov&apos;s not just against gold teeth.  He&apos;s against &quot;gold-capped teeth.&quot;  Perhaps he&apos;s trying to get revenge against that gypsy who sold him that bottle of Love Potion #9.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:04:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mwhybark</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35237/Ice-ice-baby#724692</link>	
		<description>beeswacky! beeswacky! beeswacky!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:11:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cinematique</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35237/Ice-ice-baby#724697</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102343/&quot;&gt;Love Potion #9?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:04:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ed\26h</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35237/Ice-ice-baby#724711</link>	
		<description>Fleener: That argument doesn&apos;t really work.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:38:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ed\26h</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35237/Ice-ice-baby#724712</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m going to read that book; seems like a lot of fun :)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:38:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35237/Ice-ice-baby#724767</link>	
		<description>I third the praise for beeswacky, who&apos;s doing remarkable things over there.  Since the thread is over 1,000 comments by now and you won&apos;t want to wade through all the silliness (unless you like that sort of thing), I suggest you start &lt;a href=&quot;http://monkeyfilter.com/link.php/1178#comment_43855&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and just keep scrolling down, looking for the beeswacky signoff.  There&apos;s gold in them thar hills.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:34:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: petebest</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35237/Ice-ice-baby#725582</link>	
		<description>that&apos;s beesbashi to you.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:19:05 -0800</pubDate>
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