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	<title>Comments on: Whose heroes? Whose Wales?</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:48:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Whose heroes? Whose Wales?</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35451/Whose-heroes-Whose-Wales</link>	
		<description>Earlier this year the Labour run Welsh Assembly funded a web project to find &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.100welshheroes.com/en/homepage&quot;&gt;100 Welsh Heroes&lt;/a&gt;. The winner was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.100welshheroes.com/en/biography/aneurinbevan&quot;&gt;Aneurin Bevan&lt;/a&gt;, a Labour politician. Now, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cloudsoup.com/weblog/&quot;&gt;IT manager&lt;/a&gt; who ran the project &lt;a href=&quot;http://walesontheweb.blogspot.com/2004/09/culturenet-not-quite-right.html&quot;&gt;says&lt;/a&gt; that he was instructed to fix the results. &lt;small&gt;More inside...&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:47:45 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ceiriog</dc:creator>		<category>aneurinbevan</category>		<category>wales</category>
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		<title>By: ceiriog</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35451/Whose-heroes-Whose-Wales#730243</link>	
		<description>David Jones, the ex-IT manager at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.culturenetcymru.com/&quot;&gt;Culturenet&lt;/a&gt;, says that the vote rigging was done partly to ensure that the project didn&apos;t look too low-brow (the real winner, according to Jones, was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.100welshheroes.com/en/biography/tomjones&quot;&gt;another Jones&lt;/a&gt;) and partly to ensure that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.100welshheroes.com/en/biography/cayoevans&quot; title=&quot;Cayo Evans, leader of the Free Wales Army&quot;&gt;certain&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.100welshheroes.com/en/biography/owainglyndwr&quot; title=&quot;Owain Glyndwr, &apos;pipped at the post&apos;?&quot;&gt;nationalists&lt;/a&gt; didn&apos;t look too popular.

Jones has since lost his job at Culturenet, according to him (in this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,64253,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1&quot;&gt;Wired article&lt;/a&gt;) because he dared to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cloudsoup.com/weblog/archives/2004/06/15/assembly_website&quot;&gt;criticise&lt;/a&gt;  the official &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wales.gov.uk/&quot;&gt;Welsh Assembly website&lt;/a&gt; (for breaking every rule in the web standards book) and to come up with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.assemblyonline.org/&quot;&gt;better version of his own&lt;/a&gt;.

According to Jones, Culturenet could easily prove that his allegations are unfounded, by having an independent observer run 
&lt;blockquote&gt;..Two simple SQL queries. One to report on the votes table to show that a large number of votes had been discounted. Another to show the number of votes all mysteriously posted with the same spurious email address at the same time on a Monday morning.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The poll results themselves would be neither here nor there, and the waste of tax payers&apos; money on such trivial pursuits is small potatoes compared to other recent scandals in Wales, but for the fact that the statistically insignificant (and probably corrupt anyway) results are being used to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.culturenetcymru.com/00023.php?lang=en&quot;&gt;teach schoolchildren&lt;/a&gt; who Wales&apos; official heroes are.

Meanwhile, the Assembly&apos;s Minister for Culture, Alun Pugh, seems strangely reluctant to take David Jones&apos; allegations seriously. Could this have anything to do with the entirely unrelated matter of a Labour party member recently being appointed &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/3592676.stm&quot;&gt;head of the Welsh Language Board&lt;/a&gt; under slightly dubious circumstances?

As we say round here, &lt;dfn title=&quot;scarcely believe&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;sgersli bil&#238;f&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/dfn&gt;.</description>
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		<title>By: ceiriog</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35451/Whose-heroes-Whose-Wales#730254</link>	
		<description>I should probably add (and then shut the heck up) that there are some things about Jones&apos; version that strike me as a little odd, such as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://walesontheweb.blogspot.com/&quot;&gt;brand-new weblog&lt;/a&gt; which ran the interview with him being run by someone who shares Jones&apos; interests in webby matters like RSS, but is practically &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=cy&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=Andrew.Meekings&amp;btnG=Chwiliwch&quot;&gt;un-Googlable&lt;/a&gt;. 

That doesn&apos;t seem right to me, but I may be being paranoid (having just been warned off this story by someone who read something I wrote about it in Welsh earlier today).</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:02:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pretty_Generic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35451/Whose-heroes-Whose-Wales#730265</link>	
		<description>Welsh Parliament in Pointless Fuckup Shock</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:21:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mayor Curley</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35451/Whose-heroes-Whose-Wales#730266</link>	
		<description>Catherine Zeta Jones beat out Prince Llywelyn? The public should not be asked their opinion about anything.

I would have voted for Gelert, Bart Roberts or Jeff from &quot;Coupling&quot; before her.

&lt;small&gt; the Jeff character. Not Richard Coyle. I know he&apos;s not really welsh&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:24:19 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mayor Curley</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Pretty_Generic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35451/Whose-heroes-Whose-Wales#730271</link>	
		<description>I met Richard Coyle in Boots the other guy. Lovely chap.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:48:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: clevershark</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35451/Whose-heroes-Whose-Wales#730280</link>	
		<description>No &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.walesonline.com/trib_secombe.php&quot;&gt;Harry Secombe&lt;/a&gt;? That&apos;s bull, man.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:28:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jfuller</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35451/Whose-heroes-Whose-Wales#730301</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Aneurin came to our house
And stole a piece of beef.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2004 17:09:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mayor Curley</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35451/Whose-heroes-Whose-Wales#730318</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Aneurin came to our house
And stole a piece of beef.&lt;/i&gt;

Leave &lt;a href=&quot;http://ingeb.org/songs/taffywas.html&quot;&gt;Taffy&lt;/a&gt; out of this!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:17:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kenko</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35451/Whose-heroes-Whose-Wales#730322</link>	
		<description>Hey, Tom Jones beat King Arthur!  Dolorous stroke indeed.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:34:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mayor Curley</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/35451/Whose-heroes-Whose-Wales#730326</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt; I met Richard Coyle in Boots the other guy. Lovely chap.&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;day&quot; or &quot;guy&quot; drunkie? Because I saw Martin Freeman at the Tate Modern and I still can&apos;t judge his character.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:03:21 -0800</pubDate>
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