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	<title>Comments on: Best and worst U.S. city flags</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:10:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Best and worst U.S. city flags</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.nava.org/city_survey.htm"&gt;The best and worst city flags in the U.S.&lt;/a&gt; (Plus, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nava.org/Publications/GFBF/gfbf-1.htm&quot;&gt;how to design a good flag&lt;/a&gt;.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:06:45 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tlogmer</dc:creator>		<category>graphicdesign</category>		<category>design</category>		<category>flags</category>		<category>cities</category>
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		<title>By: Tlogmer</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747425</link>	
		<description>A few from the top of the list:

Denver&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.nava.org/city_flag_photos/Denver.jpg&quot; /&gt;  | Pheonix&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.nava.org/city_flag_photos/Phoenix.jpg&quot; /&gt; | Wichita&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.nava.org/city_flag_photos/Wichita.jpg&quot; /&gt; | Portland&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.nava.org/city_flag_photos/PortlandOR.jpg&quot; /&gt;

And from the bottom:

Provo&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.nava.org/city_flag_photos/Provo.jpg&quot; /&gt; | Milwaukee&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.nava.org/city_flag_photos/Milwaukee.jpg&quot; /&gt; | Pocatello&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.nava.org/city_flag_photos/Pocatello.jpg&quot; /&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:10:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: donovan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747430</link>	
		<description>Cities have flags?  Who knew?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:29:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mr_roboto</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747436</link>	
		<description>My favorites were the ultra-cool seventies designs from Texas:  Arlington and Plano.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:51:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PrinceValium</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747438</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://ahpc-jp30.st-and.ac.uk/~josh/flags/alpha.html&quot;&gt;Graded national flags&lt;/a&gt;.  Congratulations, Gambia.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:54:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cell divide</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747439</link>	
		<description>That Provo one is great-- looks like a Vitamin or Cereal label.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:57:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: contessa</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747441</link>	
		<description>I lived in Tampa for 3 and a half years and never realized its flag was so asstastic.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:58:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sidhedevil</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747448</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m kind of frightened of Wichita&apos;s flag.  Sure, it&apos;s cool and all, but doesn&apos;t it remind anyone else of the scary flags of Evil Invading Aliens from 1950s science-fiction movies?

And is anyone else disturbed that the Seattle flag bears an astonishingly close resemblance to the Starbucks logo?  Coincidence?  I think not.

That Pocatello flag was clearly designed by a committee.

&quot;Well, we need the mountains, yep.  And that &quot;Proud to be Pocatello&quot; slogan--that&apos;s a must.  And don&apos;t forget the trademark symbol.  And the copyright information.  And those little red horizontal lines that Bill&apos;s so crazy about...&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:07:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sidhedevil</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747449</link>	
		<description>Also, the respondents seem to me to be way too biased against the tried-and-true &quot;superimpose the 19th-century city seal on a white or blue background&quot; solution.  No way that Boston&apos;s perfectly reasonable, if a little staid and boring, flag should be #133 while that Tampa abomination is #75.  

It&apos;s an outrage, I tells ya!  An outrage!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:10:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: clevershark</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747703</link>	
		<description>A general rule seems to be &quot;if it belongs on a NASCAR vehicle, it&apos;s not a proper flag&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:09:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mikeh</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747709</link>	
		<description>#14 baby, oh yeah.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:13:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: philfromhavelock</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747744</link>	
		<description>&amp;gt; &lt;em&gt;Simple&lt;/em&gt; Check
&amp;gt; &lt;em&gt;Meaningful Symbolism&lt;/em&gt; Check
&amp;gt; &lt;em&gt;Use 2&#8211;3 Basic Colors&lt;/em&gt; Check
&amp;gt; &lt;em&gt;No Lettering or Seals&lt;/em&gt; Check
&amp;gt;  &lt;em&gt;Be Distinctive or Be Related&lt;/em&gt; Check
I nominate &lt;a href=&quot;http://atlasgeo.span.ch/fotw/flags/ca-nt-tk.html&quot;&gt;Tuktoyaktuk&lt;/a&gt;, North West Territories.

(Slight off topic. I like how the old Colorado Rockies &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sportznutz.com/nhl/hockey_collector/images/01oct/fleerbeck.jpg&quot;&gt;jersey&lt;/a&gt; was essentially the state &lt;a href=&quot;http://wingfield.org/Pictures/Denver/DSC00044.JPG&quot;&gt;flag&lt;/a&gt;.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:37:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tlogmer</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747767</link>	
		<description>The seal idea is bad -- not necessarily aesthetically, but medium-wise -- because it&apos;s not readable from a distance or from both sides, wears out easily, is expensive, etc.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:57:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robot Johnny</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747790</link>	
		<description>Even though it&apos;s ranked low, I like the flag for Provo -- it looks like it should be on an antacid bottle.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:54:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: aladfar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747801</link>	
		<description>The Second City . . . AGAIN!! We&apos;re so much more attractive than those vexillologists think we are. Damn you DC!! Your flag is but a malformed clone of ours!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2004 22:37:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shepd</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747846</link>	
		<description>Is that guy in Tuktovaktuk playing tennis in the snow?  Or is he trying to conduct a non-existant orchestra?  I knew we had tar sands, but, uhhh, I don&apos;t think they look great on a flag.  At least the tennis conductor is wearing an appropriate jacket, but, uhhh, those pants don&apos;t look right.  That and him stepping into tar sands.  Yuck.

Man, we let these new territories make their own flags and they come up with that.  Yikes.

BTW:  Does anyone else think that &lt;a href=&quot;http://atlasgeo.span.ch/fotw/flags/ca-on-to.html&quot;&gt;Toronto&apos;s&lt;/a&gt; flag is depicting someone wearing a blue outfit, with an open fly, using a maple leaf to cover up the family jewels?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:49:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shoeburyness</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747855</link>	
		<description>Arlington&apos;s flag looks like a beer label. I lived in Colorado Springs for 25 years and never knew there was a city flag. In Denver, however, you can&apos;t miss the flag, as there is a little bitty flag emblazoned on every street sign in Denver proper. A lot of the Denver metro area cities have logos of the city on the street signs. Most of them are some sort of stylized version of the first letter in the city&apos;s name-- the rest are mystifying and random.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 03:13:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shoeburyness</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747856</link>	
		<description>Oops, I meant Lubbock&apos;s flag looks like a beer label. Arlington&apos;s looks like a corporate logo from the &apos;70s.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 03:17:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: alumshubby</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747866</link>	
		<description>It was nice to see the Austin coat of arms again.

The Milwaukee flag is a little busy for a flag -- it might make a nice collage, but a flag&apos;s imagery ought to be simpler, more direct and powerful, I think.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 05:57:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: chrid</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747870</link>	
		<description>New York: Proud to be French!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 06:59:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: chrid</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747871</link>	
		<description>Errr I meant Freedom. Proud to be Freedom.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 06:59:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lathrop</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747885</link>	
		<description>aladfar: I think the Chicago flag&apos;s design is better than DC&apos;s; and in any case the rankings aren&apos;t really statistically stable or methodologically precise.  

On the whole, though, it&apos;s very on the mark. The city seal on a blue b/g is almost always a bad idea -- you can&apos;t &quot;read&quot; them in use or from a distance. 

P.S. Disclosure: I was formerly in the flag business.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 08:02:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: psmealey</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747893</link>	
		<description>That St. Louis flag is kind of cool.  I guess I never noticed it before but I guess those ribbons are meant to symbolize the confluence of the Missouri and the Mississippi rivers.

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.nava.org/city_flag_photos/StLouis.jpg&quot;&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 08:40:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gimonca</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747981</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve always been disappointed in Minneapolis:

&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.nava.org/city_flag_photos/Minneapolis.jpg&quot; alt=&gt;

1950&apos;s seventh-grade textbook, or Devo album cover logo? You decide.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:40:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mars Saxman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747988</link>	
		<description>What the hell? Since when does Seattle have a flag? I&apos;ve never seen that design &lt;b&gt;anywhere&lt;/b&gt; before. Where do they get these things from? And why does a city need a flag in the first place?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:19:02 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: psmealey</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#747992</link>	
		<description>Mars, that&apos;s what I said.  I&apos;d never seen it before either, and I lived and walked by the Municipal Building every day for 2.5 years.

It definitely looks like they redesigned it about the same time they redid the Seahawks&apos; uniforms.  Maybe the designer threw the flag in as a part of the deal.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:58:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: me3dia</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#748008</link>	
		<description>Some of these (Glendale AZ, Pocatello) don&apos;t look like flags at all -- they&apos;re just logos that somebody printed on fabric and ran up a pole. 

Anyway, there aren&apos;t many cities that actively use their flags. Chicago and DC are the only ones here I can remember ever seeing -- if New York used theirs, you *know* it would have come up in the whole anti-French movement. Instead, you&apos;d be forgiven if you thought the NYC flag was the NYPD &amp;amp; FDNY emblems on a navy blue background.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:19:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: majick</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#748046</link>	
		<description>I rather like the straightforward design of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://flagspot.net/flags/us-ca-ac.html&quot;&gt;Alameda flag&lt;/a&gt;, except for the weird blue-white inversion thing, although it&apos;s more common to see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://flagspot.net/images/u/us~yc-al.gif&quot;&gt;yacht club&apos;s version&lt;/a&gt; than the official city flag.

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nava.org/city_flag_photos/SanFrancisco.jpg&quot;&gt;San Francisco flag&lt;/a&gt; looks perfectly lovely when flown adjascent to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.50states.com/flag/caflag.htm&quot;&gt;California&apos;s bear and star&lt;/a&gt;, which is one of my favorite flags.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 19:45:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: psmealey</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#748052</link>	
		<description>Problem with the NYC flag shown here is that it&apos;s depicted with non web safe colors.  It&apos;s not the blue, le blanc, le rouge as others have cited... it&apos;s blue, white and orange... you know, Knicks and Mets colors.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Oct 2004 20:08:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: drezdn</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/36146/Best-and-worst-US-city-flags#748265</link>	
		<description>In your face Rapids City!

When I clicked the link, I knew Milwaukee would be near the bottom. The funny thing is, the city had a contest to redesign the flag a little while ago. One of the winning entries was the basic idea I had, but I think the city decided to stick with what it&apos;s got.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2004 17:01:59 -0800</pubDate>
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