The Grey Sweatsuit Revolution
November 22, 2004 2:36 PM   Subscribe

Fed up with fashion? You could revolt. Or not.
posted by timeistight (78 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite
 
Some of us have been wearing gray sweat pants for decades.

Not necessarily the same pair, mind you.

Although that's OK too.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 2:40 PM on November 22, 2004


Next thing you know, sweatsuits will become cool! Oh wait...
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 2:40 PM on November 22, 2004 [1 favorite]


Can I get mine sweat(shop)-free?
posted by helvetica at 2:48 PM on November 22, 2004


mr_crash_davis, I'm wearing gray sweat pants right now.
posted by Faint of Butt at 2:50 PM on November 22, 2004


I'd like to note that wearing Trucker Hats was never cool, and technically, a "Grey Sweatsuit Revolution" before its time. We paid Ashton Kucher and a few dumb hipsters to wear them, thinking it would be really funny because "Everybody will think Trucker hats are cool now! Ha ha! But they're not! We'll show them!"

We were going to tell everybody they weren't cool, but we decided to go get high instead.
posted by Stan Chin at 2:51 PM on November 22, 2004


Made all the more poignant by the fact that, for a subgenre of juvie females in Japan, the grey sweatsuit is fashionable.
posted by Bugbread at 2:55 PM on November 22, 2004 [1 favorite]


BAM! Grey sweatsuits all up in the area! Our symbolism spreads like anthrax across the anorexic bodies of fashionistas everywhere!
posted by freebird at 3:00 PM on November 22, 2004


I thought this was really funny when I found it- I had sewn my own uniform and worn it for a year. five grey pairs of pants and five shirts (three pictured). I'd been wearing them for over a year... but they were all wearing out, so I've stopped. I had basically the same idea- wearing the same thing all the time is much better than any brand individuation, and removing stupid choices (what do i wear today?) makes making other choices easier. I have a new uniform now of secondhand pants from EMTs- and plain grey t-shirts.

those links are all self links. meh.
posted by fake at 3:02 PM on November 22, 2004


i am so down with this. damn that looks comfy. this reminds me of the matching grey bathrobes and black slippers that everyone lounges about in at japanese business hotels. It brings everyone to the same level. Its the same reason why schools have uniforms. this is great to see, i think fashion in western culture is a big problem. Unless we make our own clothes, if we are trying to look original we are just kidding ourselves b/c everything we are wearing was mass produced. How we dress ourselves is the most omnipresent expression of our identities, and we just arent able to self-actualize in this department without being slaves to trying to stay eternally on top of fashion. So the only answer until we can use a flash tool to create custom clothes on a manufacturers website is to just go anti-fashion. because right now dressing so that you look like an original person doesnt have anything to do with being original, it has to do with having enough money to maintain an original looking wardrobe. Another japanese example is the kimono. to western eyes this is a very conformist outfit, but there are so many subtle modifications you can do to the basic design that the japanese feel that it can be in fact far less conformist than western clothes.
posted by GleepGlop at 3:05 PM on November 22, 2004


So I guess now when my dad mows the lawn or goes fishing, I'm going to have to assume he's making an anti-fashion statement? Geez, I never knew he was so...deep.
posted by billysumday at 3:09 PM on November 22, 2004


fake, verrrrry interesting, and nice presentation. Is there a homepage for that project on your site?
posted by adamgreenfield at 3:10 PM on November 22, 2004


Also: BAM! Grey sweatsuits all up in the area! Our symbolism spreads like anthrax across the anorexic bodies of fashionistas everywhere!

Comforting resonances of the Nation of Ulysses, no?
posted by adamgreenfield at 3:13 PM on November 22, 2004


Can I get mine sweat(shop)-free?
posted by helvetica at 2:48 PM PST on November 22


No Sweat?
posted by christin at 3:14 PM on November 22, 2004


How we dress ourselves is the most omnipresent expression of our identities

So, what am I wearing right now, influences my identity? Based on that assumption, how am I expressing myself right now? Chic, casual, kitsch, Hawai'ian Friday?
posted by Colloquial Collision at 3:24 PM on November 22, 2004


What’s hot for next season? How about the death of your vanity?

Sorry. I enjoy my vanity. I certainly don't follow trends or spend a fortune on my wardrobe, but I find little black dresses, pefectly worn blue jeans, and funky plaid skirts to be fun. If you like to wear sweatpants you'd already be wearing them. Creating a website about this and making a "statement" along with it just proves that this a fashion "anti-fashion" trend.

Lump this in with grunge and move along. Nothing to see here.
posted by wicked sprite at 3:25 PM on November 22, 2004


Oddly enough, I passed by a guy today who was wearing a grey sweatsuit. Maybe there was actually more explanation behind it than "I'm a lazy college student."
posted by hopeless romantique at 3:30 PM on November 22, 2004


I think the critics at optimuscrime.com have a conflict of interest. "Quit staring at my man purse?"
posted by anthill at 3:30 PM on November 22, 2004


Nothing propels mediocrity better than co-oping it.
posted by MiltonRandKalman at 3:41 PM on November 22, 2004


Fake, that's really cool. But aren't the pants a little long?
posted by kenko at 3:43 PM on November 22, 2004


adamgreenfield: with the next site update (this week) there will be the writeup. i might even get it posted tonight- but don't hold your breath ;)

kenko: yeah, and i wasn't wearing a belt in that picture. once i started the project i found that making (and fitting) your own clothing is really quite a pain. i ended up abandoning the shirts and going to only the pants later, because the shirts were so ill-fitting.
posted by fake at 3:47 PM on November 22, 2004


Very neat, fake. I've always wanted to do that but lack both the skill to create my own clothing and the cash to buy enough identical items to constitute a new wardrobe (and at any rate as I generally shop at thrift stores identical items are problematic).

But I have to wonder ... do these people live in some alternate Toronto where they don't have seasons? Because that shit wouldn't cut it in January.
posted by IshmaelGraves at 3:52 PM on November 22, 2004


why am i not surprised this "movement" was founded by graphic designers?

[ducks in anticipation of hurled wallpaper* magazine]
posted by retronic at 3:54 PM on November 22, 2004


Made all the more poignant by the fact that, for a subgenre of juvie females in Japan, the grey sweatsuit is fashionable.

Can a brother get a pic?
posted by crank at 4:02 PM on November 22, 2004


I think this is a good idea, but put into practice, it just smacks of the same fake-revolution idea that eventually gets coopted by the mainstream, a la trucker hats. (as mentioned in the second link).

It seems to me that one could/should just dress for comfort. How about avoiding all brands that effectively force you to be a walking advertisement for that brand? (i.e. shirt "xyz" with a big XYZ on the chest) or, alternately or in conjunction with this, deliberately removing all labels, brand icons, etc. from one's clothes? Sterility. Aesthetics without being a Brand-Whore.

I like certain brands of clothing, for the fit, the cut, the material, obscene amounts of pockets.... but I remove the labels. (I also leave lil' napkins all over the place with sayings like "would you be upset if you had to take the labels and brand-markings off of your clothes? why?")
posted by exlotuseater at 4:09 PM on November 22, 2004


yes, give the brother a pic. it doesnt matter that people are going to try and be hip with the grey sweatsuit thing. -you- dont have to be. ive been anti-branding my clothes for a while now but its just still not enough. Even with no logos i can probably tell who made your clothes. I often envy cultures that all wear the same type of thing because due to utility factors youd be crazy to wear anything else, and its authentic besides. theres nothing authentic about our consumer culture. its a toxic culture. The grey sweatsuit was just sitting there under my nose, long filed away as uncool... oh my good i have so much healing to do... boohoohoohoohoo...*runs away*
posted by GleepGlop at 4:20 PM on November 22, 2004


yes, oh my good.
posted by GleepGlop at 4:21 PM on November 22, 2004


You ought to write that on the labels, and leave them lying around.
posted by kenko at 4:30 PM on November 22, 2004


The site smacks of unDesign. Professed non-style with a style guide. "We'll tell you how to dress as if no one told you how to dress."

As a professional culture jammer, I find unDesign annoying (see AdBusters and their overly-designed tirade against design)

If you really want clothing that reflect you. I recommend cheap Tees and ink-jet irons. Make shirts out of your favorite Mefi snarks, or your favorite goatse tribute, something that really says you.
posted by MiltonRandKalman at 4:40 PM on November 22, 2004


I immediately thought of Gibon's Pattern Recognition. The main character has settled onto a particular outfit. She goes to the length of removing all the brand names, tags, etc.
I've always liked this idea, but in practice it would become too monotonous. I'm currently working toward my compromise which is one style of shirt and slacks, but multiple colors. The challenge is getting it so any combination of shirt/slack works together.

Grranimals for grownups.
posted by Eddie Mars at 4:42 PM on November 22, 2004


Well now that they've published their idea, it is a fashion statement. Paradox at its finest!
posted by five fresh fish at 4:54 PM on November 22, 2004


MiltonRandKalman- yes, I make "MeShirts" (as opposed to T-Shirts). I hand-print things that I like on them in indelible laundry marker. Jealousy and envy ensue. Everybody wants.
posted by exlotuseater at 4:59 PM on November 22, 2004


True story--my father, years ago, was talking to me about a woman known to him only through his work, thinking I might know her, as she had a son or daughter in my high school class. He kept referring to her as "Mrs. Klein" and I was mystified, because there was no one named "Klein" in my class.

Finally, we sorted it out. She had been wearing a shirt that said "Anne Klein" on it, and my father thought it was her name (his reasoning was that he had known people who had had their initials embroidered on their shirts, and he figured this was just the next step.)

I don't buy clothes that have logos on them. OTOH, I don't think I'd go so far as to remove, say, the little red tag from a pair of Levi's. But then, I did take the alligators off my shirts in high school and give them to a friend who liked to add alligators in obscene positions to his shirts.
posted by Sidhedevil at 5:16 PM on November 22, 2004 [1 favorite]


Eddie Mars, the easiest way to accomplish universal coordination is to get any shirt that appeals to you, but only black slacks. You'll never clash again.
posted by Faint of Butt at 5:16 PM on November 22, 2004


How can someone be a "professional culture jammer"? Who pays someone else to jam culture? Inquiring minds want to know.
posted by Sidhedevil at 5:17 PM on November 22, 2004


Everybody wants. — exlotuseater

Now just setup a Cafepress page with your designs and sell them. You can earn tens of dollars for your unique vision which will dilute the minute someone wears it. Selling out is a click away, I'm surprised we at the BLF haven't done it.

I'm kidding, good for you, ex.

Sidhedevil - professional was a poorly chosen word. 'Long time, experienced' would have been better but it's not word. maybe wizen? I won't self-link so you can just read my bio.
posted by MiltonRandKalman at 5:25 PM on November 22, 2004


I wasn't trying to challenge you--I was just jealous if you could indeed find a way to cj for a living.
posted by Sidhedevil at 5:28 PM on November 22, 2004


Ach. Conscious anti-vanity is still vanity.

It's not an industry that creates the disease that's fashion but our own egomania.
posted by jonmc at 5:37 PM on November 22, 2004


Sid - Work for AdBusters. Or be really lucky and get a grant for it like AAA (sideproject of the sfprintcollective [lucky bastards]).

Or train to be a graphic designer and fuck off at your job and work on jamming projects using your employer's poster plotter like I do.
posted by MiltonRandKalman at 5:42 PM on November 22, 2004


If you really wanted to be afashion, would you make a movement centered around people constricting their choices to a single fashion? A revolt against fashion is like a war on terror/drugs - leave the poor nouns alone.

What would happen if this did catch on? Eventually there would be a majority of grey sweatsuit-wearers persecuting a minority of "fashion rebels" or something with the eventual creation of the fashion police. I think the closest you could get to killing fashion would be to stop paying attention to it, stop judging people on it, and stop talking about what it means.

I'm assuming this is tongue-in-cheek, though, and it does serve their purpose as artists, which is a less lofty goal than killing fashion: "Our aim as artists was to inspire more critical thought on the idea of clothes and their role in the construction of our identities."
posted by nTeleKy at 5:52 PM on November 22, 2004


the root for"vanity" is a word meaning "empty". Vanity is excessive pride in the way one looks. I don't have a problem with wanting to look good, but as jonmc points out, ego (or lack thereof) is what causes the problem, and in my estimation, the real problem is trying to project an image of yourself (or, more specifically, what you want others to THINK you are) through the clothes you wear. Group-identity through uniforms. it's empty. As the character of Tyler Durden so eloquently states in his monologue in "Fight Club": "You Are Not Your Fcuking Khakis"
posted by exlotuseater at 5:54 PM on November 22, 2004


odinsdream, you have too much free time.
posted by jonmc at 6:00 PM on November 22, 2004


nobody is going to make anyone wear anything. im just excited about this as a viable escape from clothes that are fraught with associations.
i agree that ego is a root problem. thats why i dont want to assert my originality by what clever sentence i can write on my t-shirt. i shouldnt have to 'add' things. i want to just 'be'. <- brought to you by calvin klein.
posted by GleepGlop at 6:02 PM on November 22, 2004


i agree odinstream, everything looks better unbranded. its kind of like having everything come with a commercial that you have to watch. its insane. brands are like html tags that take you back to the root commercial...
the only problem im seeing is that my penis is going to make its presence known through my sweatpants... perhaps a modest loincloth...
posted by GleepGlop at 6:06 PM on November 22, 2004


i dont want to assert my originality by what clever sentence -GleepGlop

Clever pictures are better. You accept that ego is the problem, and fashion is the answer to a perception issues we all have. So why not just acknowledge that with MeShirts as exlotuseater puts it? Even if it states, "I really have nothing to say". Unless you wear nothing but button ups and solids. Fashion industry is pretty invasive and NoLogo is hard to come by for quality clothing, if we were all nudists the industry would make fashionable birthmarks and moles.

my penis is going to make its presence known through my sweatpants -GleepGlop

think 'grandma on the toilet, grandma on the toilet', works for me when I see the nurse.
posted by MiltonRandKalman at 6:12 PM on November 22, 2004


no i mean, theres a bulge and nothing to diffuse it. not a good thing. same reason we notice that girls have breasts.
and pictures are ego. pictures dont get on shirts by accident. they serve no utility clothingwise, but egowise.
posted by GleepGlop at 6:21 PM on November 22, 2004


mr_crash_davis, I'm wearing gray sweat pants right now.

i'm not.
posted by quonsar at 6:48 PM on November 22, 2004


mr_crash_davis, I'm wearing gray sweat pants right now.

i'm not.


You should try it, quonsar. Sweat pants would keep that fish warm.
posted by Faint of Butt at 6:51 PM on November 22, 2004


(plans to stock shelves of GreySweat (TM) chain of clothing stores with *heaps* and *heaps* of coolo accessories)
posted by UbuRoivas at 7:02 PM on November 22, 2004


G.C. Lichtenberg: To do just the opposite is also a form of imitation.

What would be best is [achieved] unreflective afashion. These people are doing it all too self-consciously. "Before I had studied Zen for thirty years, I saw clothes as just something to wear and be comfortable in. When I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the point where I saw that to follow fashion is the key. But now that I have got the very substance, I am at rest. For it is just that I see clothes once again as just something to wear and be comfortable in."

(Nevertheless I pull off the visible labels on my clothes, and avoid clothes that have visible labels that can't be removed without damaging them.)

MiltonRandKalman, it's acceptable form to self-link in comments.
posted by kenko at 7:15 PM on November 22, 2004


Going to a school which is largely made up of fashion students, I'm finding the idea of ditching all of my clothing and rocking it, sweatpants style, really appealing. Nothing makes me hate clothing more than discussing art with people who decided to come to art school because they "like shopping" (an actual reason most of these students give).
Here's my problem with most fashion: it doesn't know whether it wants to be art or design. When talking to some fashion students, I've learned that they (some, mind you) consider the design of usable objects, like computers, telephones, cups, etc., "design," while any object which is not created for any specific purpose other than mental stimulation "art"; also, "art" is somehow greater than "design." But, if you ask if fashion is "art," they automatically insist that it is.
In design, there are certain goals designers tend to have, in terms of ease of use, comfort, price, etc. The goal, usually, is to achieve a great product, for a minimum of money.
Most of the fashion students I've met don't want to have to think about comfort or price at all; in fact, they consider obscenely high prices a necessity to enforce a fashion elitism, by which class system can be easily determined by letters on a label. Therefore, they certainly can't concern themselves with making items cheap, or even comfortable!
Of course, these observations are based on about 30 people, all students; I know there are a lot of fashion designers who really are concerned about creating nice, cheap clothes that don't dissolve in hot water. This is my first Mefi rant; sorry!
posted by 235w103 at 7:50 PM on November 22, 2004


The conflict of interest at Optimuscrime runs deeper than people might think.

Halifax may be idealistic and foolhearty, but Montreal is a cold hearted bastard.
I sent that GSSR care package as a friend. As a friend!
posted by paultron at 8:01 PM on November 22, 2004


I hate fashionistas, and I got no beef with anyone wearing gray sweatsuits, but I think if I heard anyone in a gray sweatsuit launch into a "revolutionary" rant, I'd be forced to activate my boxing glove on a spring.

It mos def is unDesign, which is a little annoying.

That said - looks comfy.
posted by Sticherbeast at 8:10 PM on November 22, 2004


[unbuttons collar, wipes brow]

I'd love to see that site with the photoshopped-out labels &c.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:40 PM on November 22, 2004


i say black sweatsuits instead... on a side note, i've found something to add to my holiday wishlist.
posted by rocket_skates at 8:51 PM on November 22, 2004


*note, ugg haters tee courtesy optimuscrime, thus the relevance
posted by rocket_skates at 8:52 PM on November 22, 2004


They need to establish a warm-weather alternative. Otherwise fashion will move to places like Miami where clothes can be as froofyoutrageous as designers want and gray sweats can't follow for fear of asphyxiation.
posted by casarkos at 8:54 PM on November 22, 2004


I propose that the warm-weather alternative be grey sweat jammers, and grey sweat muscle shirts.
posted by paultron at 8:57 PM on November 22, 2004


why am i not surprised this "movement" was founded by graphic designers?

[ducks in anticipation of hurled wallpaper* magazine]


Lol. ;)

As a professional culture jammer, I find unDesign annoying (see AdBusters and their overly-designed tirade against design).

Something about that sentence just smacks of un-originality. Oh wait! You're trying to be different. I get it.

Err... wait. Maybe I don't.

Adbusters is slick, and quite frankly, I enjoy every issue. You've brought a really common argument against the magazine that, I believe, is unfair. Adbusters can hardly be compared to an actual design magazine (read: wallpaper) due to it's content (and you don't have to like it) but it's contributors are not compensated monetarily. Yes, the magazine is quite pricey, but having been privy to the costs associated with a print business, fortunately not under the type of legal scrutiny faced by the Adbusters Media Foundation (with no ads, it's hard to pay lawyers), it is extremely expensive to distribute print media in today's market.

The design element of the magazine (and website) is what sells. What sells is what gets the message to the most people (and yes, this is a contentious point) but I believe that the means, by far, justify the ends.

BTW, how much does a professional culture jammer pull in these days?
posted by purephase at 9:24 PM on November 22, 2004


235w103, where do they stand on architecture, for a long time not considered an art? (How specifically on Le Corbusier [I know nothing about his work, I just know that he said "a house is a machine for living in"]?) The art/{craft,design} distinction, and the utility distinction that goes along with it (and the corresponding position that art is purely for mental stimulation), is intensely silly IMO. It weren't so historically, either.
posted by kenko at 9:25 PM on November 22, 2004


exlotuseater: "put into practice, it just smacks of the same fake-revolution idea that eventually gets coopted by the mainstream, a la trucker hats."


Read the manifesto - they have planned for this eventuality... let them eat it up, for it will eat them out from the inside. Or something revolutionary like that.
posted by anthill at 9:30 PM on November 22, 2004


Am I the only one here who thinks the site is satire? Anyone? And the truly hysterical part of the whole thing is that they've convinced people to discuss it as though it were a real phenomenon. Brilliant.
posted by dejah420 at 10:04 PM on November 22, 2004


It's half satire.

It's a real art project, and the people who run it are actually participating. (they all wore only grey sweatsuits for an entire season.) And they're truly putting effort into it.

Do they seriously believe it? Of course not. That part is a joke.

It's a project based in real questions and problems, with a semi-satirical solution: The GSSR.
posted by paultron at 10:11 PM on November 22, 2004


( reads about today's fashon, wearing a red Michael Jackson zipper jacket, an Ocean Pacific t-shirt,
low top checkered Van's, and a Utilikilt)

Power to the Fashionably Unconscious!!
posted by Balisong at 10:14 PM on November 22, 2004


kenko: most don't believe in architexture as art.
Personally, as a future (hopefully, possibly, maybe) designer, I don't give two hoots about what is art and what isn't. I think some of the Eames bent plywood stuff is just as beautiful as most any other sculpture, so whatever; I certainly don't want to be the guy declaring what is and isn't art. Hell, it's not like there's not enough space; we could probably turn 30% of Indiana into a museum and exhibit everything.
posted by 235w103 at 10:45 PM on November 22, 2004


wow...thats cool...in fact i immedietly need to conform to their non-conformity standards...where can i buy a GSSR wrist thingy? I saw a picture and it's cool (it;s cool because they told me it is).
posted by EvilKenji at 11:24 PM on November 22, 2004


he's old now, more or less mad and he DID spend a lot of time wearing ill-fitting, outsized women's blouses, but a lot of people thought the nail was hit squarely on the head when morrissey said: "whatever I wear is fashionable and whatever somebody else wears is unfashionable."
posted by bunglin' jones at 12:10 AM on November 23, 2004


As a professional culture jammer...

I am heavily inclined to disregard any viewpoint appended to such an opening. And all viewpoints expressed thereafter by the party responsible.

Just so you know.
posted by adamgreenfield at 6:58 AM on November 23, 2004


I miss Garanimals. That was the best. Although as a kid I sorta misunderstood the concept, and started wearing combinations of animals that I thought would be friends. And if I was in a bad mood I'd wear a carnivore shirt with herbivorous pants.

The deciding factor when I'm purchasing toothpaste, hair gel, etc., is how difficult it will be to peel the label off once I get them home. Attention all package designers! I will be more likely to buy your product if I can easily remove your design and throw it away! Take that!
posted by ook at 7:43 AM on November 23, 2004


Seriously, though, if you peel the labels off (say) your shampoo and conditioner, how do you know which is which?
posted by Sidhedevil at 7:49 AM on November 23, 2004


/me envisions horrible Preparation-H/toothpaste accident...
posted by Faint of Butt at 7:54 AM on November 23, 2004


Color of the bottles?
posted by kenko at 7:56 AM on November 23, 2004


My shampoo is a clear gel, my conditioner is a white cream. YMMV.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 8:04 AM on November 23, 2004


even better is you buy your own bottles and transfer the stuff. i feel like a mad scientist in the morning, applying various colours of potions to my scalp. then take it to the next level and try to do it all without linguistic thought. then run away naked into the woods.
posted by GleepGlop at 8:38 AM on November 23, 2004


Both of mine are white creams, in bottles of exactly the same shape. Hence my concern. When I've transferred them into small Nalgene bottles for travel, I've found myself standing in the shower for a couple of minutes trying to figure out which is which from the viscosity.

Still, it seems like an interesting experiment.
posted by Sidhedevil at 8:51 AM on November 23, 2004


I am heavily inclined to disregard - AdamGreenField
I already faulted myself for that and appended. see above.

BTW, how much does a professional culture jammer pull in these days? - purephase
Tens of dollars
posted by MiltonRandKalman at 11:11 AM on November 23, 2004


Seriously, though, if you peel the labels off (say) your shampoo and conditioner, how do you know which is which?

try a crayon.

fwiw, you might be able to buy all your soaps, shampoos, and conditioners in bulk from a local natural-foods store, so you can use your own blank bottles. that's what i do. and i actually do use a crayon to mark them.

i like the subject they're broaching, but their proposal is silly. grey sweatsuits are certainly a part of fashion. it's not much different than saying "Everyone in Stripes!"

anti-fashion would be dressing randomly with clothes that you find on the street or in the garbage. or going naked. now that would be cool. who's with me?
posted by mrgrimm at 1:28 PM on November 23, 2004


this is lame. all clothing is some kind of fashion statement, even gray sweatsuits, this so-called anti-fashion statement. going naked would be truly anti-fashion. there is nothing wrong with fashion or brand names per se. i like having choices, mixing and matching colours and styles, after all, i'm a gay man. you own the clothes, it's not supposed to be the other way around, which i guess is what happens to fashion victims. c'mon, people,take control of your lives. enough with this gay-ass movements by people who want attention. get a life.
posted by yedgar at 2:27 PM on November 23, 2004


enough with this gay-ass movements by people who want attention.

Gray-ass movements?
posted by Faint of Butt at 5:23 PM on November 23, 2004


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