Those conservative Republicans...
October 18, 2000 3:54 PM   Subscribe

Those conservative Republicans... Really classy guys.
posted by owillis (16 comments total)
 
Stupid and sick, in many ways as bad as blocking a street. Why can't people just leave one another alone.
How pathetic is it to try and surpress Gore's weak message anyway.
posted by thirteen at 4:03 PM on October 18, 2000


Boy, I agree with this guy -- those Freepers really missed an opportunity to pretend to be legitimate press members and ask questions that ended up in newspapers tomorrow.
posted by rcade at 4:04 PM on October 18, 2000


I don't think this is a "conservative republican" thing so much as a juvenile troublemaker thing.

-Mars
posted by Mars Saxman at 5:26 PM on October 18, 2000


Wait, there's a difference?
posted by Doug at 6:06 PM on October 18, 2000


In their own way, they were culture jamming.
posted by capt.crackpipe at 8:30 PM on October 18, 2000


what's the big whoop? gore is just another in a very long line of privleged (read: rich as hell) AND powerful WASPs in federal government -- why worry about him any more than that other guy? i mean, do you REALLY think gore cares about anything other than getting in office? he's flipped on almost evey issue -- abortion, gays, censorship...the list goes on. have you really bought into his working class fighter stuff?? that shit is so sad it's laughable...
posted by justkurt at 8:54 PM on October 18, 2000


did you notice how many times these ditto-heads actually said the word "ditto" ?
posted by lagado at 9:03 PM on October 18, 2000


have to agree with capt.crackpipe...

they hacked the system...and while they did it in a very low-brow manner, and lost the ability to really make a statement or prove a point about anything, they were culture jamming, and playing with a political/press relationship that takes itself way too seriously.

[glad i'm going nader]

posted by th3ph17 at 9:07 PM on October 18, 2000


While I am all for culture-jamming, doing it just for the sake of doing it isn't something to aspire to. So what if you crack a system? So what if you can burp on the air? ('“That was me belching,” another call-crasher boasted on the discussion board after burping into the phone.') At a time when we are supersaturated with media (and I think MeFi is a sympton of that), just becoming part of the noise does not seem productive to me. This is worse than "missing an opportunity," it's an anti-message. By showing your own stupidity, ignorance and childishness with your "jamming", your are downgrading your own message (if you have one) as well as others who propound it.
posted by bison at 10:02 PM on October 18, 2000


Freepers saying "ditto"? Half the Freepers regard Limbaugh as insufficiently devoted to The Cause, because he doesn't spend three hours a day slobbering over Buchanan.
posted by lileks at 10:57 PM on October 18, 2000


I always thought that "bump" was their version of "ditto."
posted by rcade at 1:13 AM on October 19, 2000


I would agree with bison that a protest should have a specific goal in mind. Part of that goal involves presenting an alternative or unpopular viewpoint and vigorously sticking to that viewpoint in the face of severe opposition (whether it be vocal NIMBY types in a small town or media blackout -- as is the case with Nader). In the grand scheme of things, this particular protest won't make all that much of a difference. Because it is ultimately a cowardly gesture that embraces the status quo. But a protest, whether it be an adolescent prank or a concentrated culture jam, does make a difference when it strikes at something that no one is willing to address. The ultimate message of this protest was "Gore sucks." It was accomplished in a particularly conventional way. Junior high school hooligans could have done this. And what's so inventive about that? Half of America knows this already and I suspect that most voters will sit out of the 2000 presidential election (much as the 30% of registered voters who showed up at the 1996 presidential election did) because of it. It is braver to vote with your consciousness. Last I read, there were more than two parties in this nation.
posted by ed at 4:29 AM on October 19, 2000


Yup, usually "bump" or its sibling "bttt", i.e. "bump this thread to the top" so that it gets read by more people. (FR threads with recent posts are listed first.)

I'm neither impressed, nor much bothered, by this prank. These juveniles continue to claim that they are the majority, the "real" America, insist that the individual is paramount, yet believe simultaneously that most people are "sheep" who slavishly believe only what the media tells them. If this critique were informed and reasoned, as Noam Chomsky has done with his, it might have some substance; as it is it comes across as a complete contradiction between beliefs and reality.
posted by dhartung at 7:38 AM on October 19, 2000


I dunno if that rant fits here; I just felt like it. :)
posted by dhartung at 8:11 AM on October 19, 2000


Bison, interestingly, whenever say, the Ruckus Group puts up a banner, that is, when some culture jamming is executed, the target of the jamming usually says the folks doing it are “uninformed” and “arrogant.” That they don’t know what they’re talking about, they should’t have done it, they’re muddying the waters of real issues.

Kinda like you just did.

No offense.

And, yea, they could’ve used that opening a bit better. In fact, they fucked it up. Why not ask serious questions of Gore if you’ve got the chance? “How can you be for the environment, sir, when your Adminstration successfully postponed the Kyoto resolutions for eight more years? Why did your Adminstration pass the biggest logging legislation in years without any safeties for our national parks? Could you explain how you support the WTO and the enivronment, when the WTO has power of our country’s soverignty and its environment? I know a few monks that want to donate to the DNC. Where should they send the check?”
posted by capt.crackpipe at 8:36 AM on October 19, 2000


When real conservatives want to give Gore a hard time, they're willing to take down the entire economy with him. (I'm surprised you didn't mention this yourself, Dan.)
posted by harmful at 1:32 PM on October 19, 2000


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