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      <title>Comments on: faces from the Ark pen</title>
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	  	  <pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:14:54 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>faces from the Ark pen</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen</link>	
    <description>Documentarian &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~bjackson/&quot;&gt;Bruce Jackson&lt;/a&gt; found &quot;a group of about two hundred 3x4&quot; identification photographs made between 1914 and 1937... in a drawer in the Arkansas penitentiary in the summer of 1975&quot;; this (&lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/mirrors/mirrorsimages.html&quot;&gt;slideshow&lt;/a&gt;) is the online record of an exhibition.&lt;blockquote&gt;It is impossible to look at these images and not think about the persons depicted there. But, save for one fact that is a given&#8212;and what we find in or infer from these images&#8212;we know nothing about those persons, and never will. The given is that they are all prisoners: for whatever reason, they have been deprived of liberty, the single piece of enduring proof of which is the image at which we presently gaze. The conclusions we draw, the feelings we have, the narratives we suppose&#8212;they are all our own. The images are mirrors, resonating with aspects of our selves we perhaps never before encountered.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Many of them are haunting; &lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/mirrors/pages/%2312398.htm&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt; has been turned by time into a work of art.  (Via &lt;a href=&quot;http://ramage.typepad.com/ramage/2004/12/mirrors.html&quot;&gt;Ramage&lt;/a&gt;.) </description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:08:35 -0800</pubDate>
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	<category>Mirrors</category>
	
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	<category>Arkansas</category>
	
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  	<title>By: sciurus</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804233</link>	
    <description>Oh man, this rocks. It reminds me of Walker Evans. &lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/mirrors/pages/%2322588.htm&quot;&gt;This &lt;/a&gt; one is pretty artsy too. &lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/mirrors/pages/44.htm&quot;&gt;Some&lt;/a&gt; of them look awfully young to be prisoners.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:14:54 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: purephase</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804234</link>	
    <description>[This is good].

My &lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/mirrors/images/%23171.jpg&quot;&gt;favourite&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:15:24 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: Rumple</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804245</link>	
    <description>Arresting images.

[this is good]</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:20:02 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: bcwinters</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804261</link>	
    <description>I kind of think that last one is a woman, sciurus. She could be in her 20s. Maybe she was a con artist, tricking people into believing she was an orphaned pre-teen boy so she could steal their fortunes in the night.

Or something.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:27:45 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: metaculpa</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804263</link>	
    <description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/mirrors/pages/%2310009.htm&quot;&gt;The slideshow without its weird frame.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:27:58 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: Secret Life of Gravy</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804286</link>	
    <description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/mirrors/pages/%23153.htm&quot;&gt;This one looks quite the saucy minx.&lt;/a&gt;
I&apos;m wondering if the hat is part of her prison attire?  And did they make her little dog go to prison as well?</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:40:40 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: interrobang</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804298</link>	
    <description>She has a really low user-number.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:46:47 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: darkmatter</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804302</link>	
    <description>I love this &lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/mirrors/pages/%2312331.htm&quot;&gt;one&lt;/a&gt;. I imagine him as a Confederate veteran.  He looks as though he has a strong character.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:49:45 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: thirteen</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804308</link>	
    <description>This kind of bothers me. I guess you give up some right to privacy when you commit a crime, but it seems like these pictures should be destroyed when you have served your sentence, or when a reasonable amount of time has passed.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:53:08 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: fizz-ed</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804318</link>	
    <description>Great link.

For a moment, I thought that &lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/mirrors/pages/%2311785.htm&quot;&gt;this man&lt;/a&gt; was a young Don Knotts.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:01:10 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: greasy_skillet</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804320</link>	
    <description>Great link, thanks!</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:02:07 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: The God Complex</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804324</link>	
    <description>Lovely.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:03:53 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: KevinSkomsvold</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804335</link>	
    <description>This is why I like MetaFilter. Thanks Languagehat.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:11:08 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: jokeefe</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804336</link>	
    <description>Thank you. Wonderfully moving.

And speaking of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/mirrors/pages/%2312332.htm&quot;&gt;youthfulness&lt;/a&gt; of some of the prisoners...</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:12:04 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: rushmc</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804371</link>	
    <description>&lt;i&gt;it seems like these pictures should be destroyed when you have served your sentence, or when a reasonable amount of time has passed.&lt;/i&gt;

It&apos;s not as if a part of your soul is captured therein.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:34:42 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: thirteen</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804380</link>	
    <description>Nor is it like they signed a release, or had any ability to refuse to have these pictures taken. Privacy should trump voyeurism.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 16:42:44 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: Ranger03</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804392</link>	
    <description>I think much the same about old war photos.  Here is a link to somewhere I know very well.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://collections.ic.gc.ca/turner/cont_v.html&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  Just look at the faces, they all appear very old and some really were.  In the cemetaries it is easy to find 45 year old men married with children (privates)

Don&apos;t know where the link went?</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:01:14 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: stavrosthewonderchicken</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804399</link>	
    <description>I am reminded of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/37962&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;. Interesting.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:23:00 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: stevis</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804415</link>	
    <description>thirteen - i&apos;d take the opposite view. i&apos;m leery of a state where they destroy records of who was incarcerated, for how long, and for what. in the early 20th century in the U.S. South it wasn&apos;t unheard of for illiterate, poor people to be convicted and then to disappear into the prison system.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:52:03 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: stevis</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804418</link>	
    <description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/mirrors/pages/%239320.htm&quot;&gt;this guy&lt;/a&gt; is probably what George Clooney&apos;s character in &quot;O Brother, Where Art Thou&quot; really looked like.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:53:44 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: semmi</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804474</link>	
    <description>&lt;em&gt;or whatever reason, they have been deprived of liberty&lt;/em&gt;

That reason may be of the essence. Otherwise it&apos;s cheap sentimentality.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:54:13 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: ericb</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804485</link>	
    <description>There&apos;s as much power and expression in these portraits as those captured by  photographers like Diane Arbus (particularly her images of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/089381623X/103-9507199-2375013?v=glance&quot;&gt;asylum inmates&lt;/a&gt;), &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.richardavedon.com/&quot;&gt;Richard Avedon &lt;/a&gt; (in his book &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0810911051/qid=1103684243/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/103-9507199-2375013?v=glance&amp;s=books&quot;&gt;In The American West&lt;/a&gt;&quot;) and Mike Meyers - better known as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.disfarmer.com/&quot;&gt;Disfarmer&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks,  &lt;strong&gt;sciurus&lt;/strong&gt; - a great find.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:00:09 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: ericb</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804488</link>	
    <description>The portrait which &lt;strong&gt;darkmatter&lt;/strong&gt; references above has &lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/mirrors/pages/%2312331.htm&quot;&gt;hints&lt;/a&gt; of Paul Newman.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:04:02 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: sciurus</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804491</link>	
    <description>Don&apos;t thank me, thank languagehat.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:05:42 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: ericb</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804492</link>	
    <description>Oops ... my mistake ... thanks &lt;strong&gt;languagehat&lt;/strong&gt;. I agree with you on reminders of Walker Evans.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:07:50 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: cosmonik</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804495</link>	
    <description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/mirrors/pages/%23160.htm&quot;&gt;Harrowing.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:15:42 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: onkelchrispy</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804520</link>	
    <description>omniously  beautiful</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:47:30 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: lobakgo</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804527</link>	
    <description>What amazing faces.  Thanks, &lt;strong&gt;languagehat&lt;/strong&gt;.  I think the &lt;a href=&quot;http://csac.buffalo.edu/cumminswide/cumminswide.html&quot;&gt;Widelux &lt;/a&gt;images are interesting too.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:57:13 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: thirteen</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804538</link>	
    <description>&lt;i&gt;
thirteen - i&apos;d take the opposite view. i&apos;m leery of a state where they destroy records of who was incarcerated, for how long, and for what. in the early 20th century in the U.S. South it wasn&apos;t unheard of for illiterate, poor people to be convicted and then to disappear into the prison system.&lt;/i&gt;

Assuming you are right, and we do need those records, why are these files detached from their specific information. How did they manage to end up in the hands of a private citizen who is in a position to exploit them? As records they are meaningless, but the means of obtaining them is nothing but disrespect for the people pictured. It is possible that they were bad people, but decent people do not approve of prison rape as darwinlike justice, and they should not approve of this either.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:06:00 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: carter</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804583</link>	
    <description>This is wonderful, thanks, languagehat. These pictures vividly recall (anticipate?) for me Deborah Luster&apos;s &quot;One Big Self,&quot; a series of photographic portraits of Louisiana prisoners etched onto aluminium index-cards, with details of the prisoners engraved on the back. The prisoners chose how they were photographed. What must be hundreds of these cards are stored in a crude, heavy, all-metal card catalogue. You can pull them out of the drawers and look through them, handle them, and arrange them on a small desk. It&apos;s very moving (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edelmangallery.com/luster.htm&quot;&gt;examples&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stmarys-ca.edu/academics/adult_graduate/programs_by_school/school_of_liberal_arts/programs/mfa/Mary/reviews/onebigshelf.html&quot;&gt;background&lt;/a&gt;). It&apos;s currently in the San Francisco MOMA.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:16:56 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: contraposto</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804593</link>	
    <description>Amazing stuff - was going to comment on the Disfarmer resemblance of some of them but ericb beat me to it.  Thanks, languagehat.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2004 21:32:19 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: moonbird</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804694</link>	
    <description>so stunning.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 04:38:46 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: rushmc</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#804740</link>	
    <description>&lt;i&gt;As records they are meaningless, but the means of obtaining them is nothing but disrespect for the people pictured. &lt;/i&gt;

Why do you put so much emphasis on images of dead people which might much more reasonably be considered part of the historical record?  I didn&apos;t see you protesting the site that was once posted here that puts up &quot;found&quot; family photos for the world to see, and yet no releases were signed in that case either.  I think the burden of proof that the public has no right to such imagery is on you.  In fact, I&apos;m not at all clear just at the moment that there is much of an argument to be made that anyone should have a proprietary ownership of any spontaneous or documentary imagery at all (but that&apos;s a larger issue).</description>
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  	<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 06:14:27 -0800</pubDate>
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  	<title>By: scheptech</title>
  	<link>http://www.metafilter.com/38042/faces-from-the-Ark-pen#805313</link>	
    <description>Excellent, makes me wonder, for most of these folks I guess this is the one and only time they were photographed, never as kids or at work or with family on holidays like many of us today. So now our collective memory of them is as felons, forever captured in only a single moment in time. Almost like whatever crime they committed was the most significant thing they ever did in their lives, I sure hope not.</description>
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  	<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:08:45 -0800</pubDate>
  	<dc:creator>scheptech</dc:creator>
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