Comments on: The eye in the sky

The eye in the sky

OpinioNate — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:13:54 -0800

Before, during and after. DigitalGlobe's QuickBird satellite imaged the coast of Sri Lanka at precisely the time the tidal wave hit the beaches. It was pure coincidence.

By: odinsdream

odinsdream — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:18:57 -0800

Those are amazing, in that stomach-churning way.

By: chundo

chundo — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:19:12 -0800

Wow.

By: baphomet

baphomet — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:22:16 -0800

Fascinating and disturbing. Never seen anything quite like it in my life. Thanks, OpinioNate. Are there any more out there like this? If so, please link to them.

By: daHIFI

daHIFI — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:24:18 -0800

wow

By: designbot

designbot — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:25:14 -0800

Why is the shot of the actual wave taken at a different scale? I can't find any points of reference to figure out what I'm looking at.

By: nuala

nuala — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:28:14 -0800

Incredible coincidence. My eyes still can't believe what they've seen, although I do wish that the tsunami shot was lined up with the before and after pictures. [on preview, what designbot said]

By: annathea

annathea — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:28:18 -0800

I think the order is wrong on the images - I think the shot linked as "after" is actually the water receding right before the waves hit (you can see that the shoreline is still flood-free) and the "during" shot is really right after the waves hit. Regardless, they are amazing images.

By: OpinioNate

OpinioNate — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:29:16 -0800

There are more images listed here. Check out the link that says "Tsunami Coverage".

By: OpinioNate

OpinioNate — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:30:47 -0800

Sorry, that's "Tsunami Gallery". I don't know if the 'after' image really is after the wave hit, but that's how DigitalGlobe calls it.

By: lowlife

lowlife — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:31:57 -0800

designbot, it appears it was; the before and after pictures are of the same place (the road network makes it pretty simple to match the pictures up). It's strange, but apart from the deep channels in the beach in the after picture, and the prevalence of an awful lot of mud in the roads near the beach, it doesn't look that bad. Which is weird, given the deathtoll. In response to OpinoNate, I think the order is right, based on the channels in the beach; those don't just happen. Something had to wash away from the land with enough quantity and force to cause that erosion.

By: annathea

annathea — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:38:20 -0800

lowlife - seawater recedes quickly and powerfully right before (as long as ten minutes, actually) a tsunami hits. Not your typical wave receding, but the sea actually pulls back several hundred feet. That could cause the erosion seen in the image.

By: ChasFile

ChasFile — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:38:35 -0800

It was pure coincidence. Given that the earthquake was detected almost immediately and the wave was tracked for its entire course by weather satelites (there was, at least in the case of Sri Lanka, several hours warning, just no way to get that warning to where it was needed) I'm inclined to say suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure...

By: grateful

grateful — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:43:17 -0800

From the same site: Banda Aceh before and after

By: weapons-grade pandemonium

weapons-grade pandemonium — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:45:02 -0800

What ChasFile said. These people had several hours to walk five blocks to safety. What were the people who monitor these events doing--reading The Pet Goat?

By: Vaska

Vaska — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:47:48 -0800

I have a friend in the Air Force who mans the control boards for some of their reconnaissance satellites. After the disaster the crew he was with got permission to check the area out with non-critical birds, one of which was thermal. He told me they all got quiet as the feed for the Sumatran area (He wouldn't give more specifics) got colder and colder with each pass till there was nothing but normal albedo reflection.

By: Vaska

Vaska — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:58:25 -0800

ChasFile & Weapons-Grade Pandemonium : The BBC has been quite good in tracking down the reasons for the lack of warning given. First off the people in Aceh and close districts were doomed, having less then thirty minutes at best to get clear. Second, none of the countries involved have disaster alert systems, something we take for granted. Apparently the team at NOAA sent an email alert to their counter-parts in India, but on an early Sunday morning no-one was there. Third, some places simply could not be warned like some of the Indonesian islands which have no phone system whatsoever. The lack of a system to warn people is the real problem though. Think of the time involved. Call from NOAA to State Department: 5-10 minutes. State Department looks for proper number to call for Sri Lanka: 10 minutes. Call from State Department to Sri Lankan government: 15-20 minutes (Assuming the person answering speaks English or they have someone who speaks Indian). Call from Sri Lankan government official to military and/or emergency services: 20-30 minutes. Time for those services to reach the affected areas: Anywhere from 10 minutes if they're local to several hours. You simply can't call all the hotels and tell them to get people off the beach, or all the home residents and do the same, you need an Emergency Broadcast System, which they don't have, or helicopters with loud speakers, which never had a chance to get there in time, assuming they even had any. In short: having no disaster infrastructure means that reaction times are monumentally slow, and people pay with their lives.

By: evoo

evoo — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:02:34 -0800

RE: The different scale of the pics... Look at the file names of the photos. The "Before" shot was taken January 1, 2004. The "During" and "After" were taken on December 26. It's amazing how far inland the water is on the "during" shot.

By: Swifty

Swifty — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:07:21 -0800

Wow: Aceh Before Aceh After

By: fenriq

fenriq — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:08:28 -0800

Coincidence is amazing. Astonishing pics, thanks OpinioNate.

By: fenriq

fenriq — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:10:43 -0800

Swifty, very wow.

By: Swifty

Swifty — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:11:14 -0800

Also this: PDF from Digital Globe showing comparison pictures

By: weapons-grade pandemonium

weapons-grade pandemonium — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:19:34 -0800

Technology could bypass infrastructure in these countries. How much would it cost to mass produce a solar-powered warning device the size of a smoke alarm, activated by a satellite or cell phone signal, that would only go off for a tsunami warning, with test signals once a month? People would do the rest. A few of these in each village would have saved tens of thousands of lives.

By: bafflegab

bafflegab — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:24:32 -0800

anathea: I think the order is wrong on the images No. The "after" photo shows several giveaways that this was after the event:

(1) significant shoreline is missing entirely as compared to the "before"
(2) many fresh gulleys carved out by retreating seawater
(3) the ocean area is now discolored with ground runoff (assuming there would normally be similar water quality as on 2004.01.01)

By: OpinioNate

OpinioNate — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:25:29 -0800

Full disclosure: My father actually works for DigitalGlobe; he sent me the links. He said they will be adding more images around 4 o'clock mountain time so check back then.

By: rough ashlar

rough ashlar — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:25:50 -0800

Errr, this is a bad FPP. Hardly best of the web. Yea. That's it. saved tens of thousands of lives. Who says 'they' want to save lives?

By: rotifer

rotifer — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:43:23 -0800

Errr, this is a bad FPP. Hardly best of the web. Are you being facetious or, simply, an ignorant asshole? Stunning photos Opinio - thanks.

By: digaman

digaman — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:48:15 -0800

Great links.

By: ericb

ericb — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:49:14 -0800

What ChasFile said. These people had several hours to walk five blocks to safety. What were the people who monitor these events doing--reading The Pet Goat? From News.com.au: "Wave warning fell on deaf ears: A tsunami warning that could have saved thousands of lives was issued but not acted upon more than an hour before giant waves hit Sri Lanka and southern India....experts in Honolulu admitted they had forecast the disaster within 15 minutes of Sunday's earthquake off the coast of Sumatra but did not know who to pass the information to." From Khaleej Times: "Pressure built for an Indian Ocean tsunami-warning centre on Tuesday after frustrated scientists said they knew killer waves were speeding towards coastlines across Asia but was powerless to raise the alarm. The Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre and the International Tsunami Information Centre, both in Hawaii, detected the December 26 earthquake off Indonesia that generated the Indian Ocean tsunamis. But the centres were set up to provide alerts to Pacific nations and frantic scientists had no contacts in the countries in the path of the giant waves which experts said could rush across oceans at up to 800 kilometres (496 miles) an hour. As a result, they lost the chance to alert some of the worst hit areas hours before the tsunamis hit..."

By: ericb

ericb — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:52:30 -0800

The monitoring on Hawaii is set-up to alert nations that would be affected by similar events in the Pacific Ocean, not the Indian Ocean. "But, the more sad part of the tragedy this time was that while geophysicists could warn about the impending catastrophe some three hours in advance, they were not able to reach the message across to many of the perilously-placed nations." Australia will consider helping create Indian Ocean tsunami warning system India to spend 27 million dollars on tsunami warning systems

By: Salmonberry

Salmonberry — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:26:56 -0800

There is an interesting CBC article on how people are using the internet to try and find lost friends and family, which leads you to Wave of Destruction with lots of video and picture images.

By: Vaska

Vaska — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:35:12 -0800

Weapons Grade Pandemonium : Nice idea, but it has several flaws. Let's assume it's satellite activated because wireless coverage in most areas is non-existent due to many issues, especially the lack of any power network. How is the device going to alert the people? Siren? That'll take a lot of energy, so that means big batteries for the solar panel to charge. Add in the horn and you've got a 2000 US dollar device that needs to have the batteries checked every year by someone, and it still won't save the fisherman tens of miles from the shore. Indonesia has thousands of far-flung islands stocked with extremely poor or subsistence level communities that there current government can't even afford to wire for electricity or good drinking water, let alone a disaster alert system of any kind. (Especially when they're busy funding militia groups to massacre people in Aceh) Rough Ashlar - Is this the mysterious 'They' that also engineered the 9/11 attacks and New Coke? Cause if they're able to have reactions ready for natural disasters that's impressive. Seriously though, that's unkind. Yes there are already nasty rumors about the Tamil controlled parts of Sri Lanka getting stiffed by the official government, but that's hardly surprising considering the two are basically at war. Everywhere else people are trying to help each other. Well, except for China and Russia who are sending oh-so-helpful 'advisors'.

By: cr_joe

cr_joe — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:22:29 -0800

Vaska - one quick note. The fisherman out at sea probably aren't going to see very much. Tsunamis are only about a meter high in open ocean. It's only when they get in more shallow water do they "run up" and start getting dangerous. Nitpicky, I know, but it makes WGP's engineering a little easier.

By: weapons-grade pandemonium

weapons-grade pandemonium — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:43:35 -0800

Vaska: I visualize something simpler, much like a smoke alarm, to be kept in responsible hands--the post office, police station, etc. Once those people were notified, the word would spread quickly, and secondary warning horns could be sounded, with flags for the fishermen. The villagers could organize their own system, but this device would be the trigger. This idea may not have worked well prior to this disaster, but now everyone will take tsunamis very seriously. Any MeFi geeks want to join me to get this puppy made?

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:19:28 -0800

Don't know if anyone's already seen this pic, but it might help those to better conceive the high casualty count. [NSFW]

By: Bugbread

Bugbread — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 15:43:52 -0800

Civil_Disobedient: That was the best photo I've seen of this entire disaster. The numbers make me go "wow", the photos and video of the wave hitting make me go "holy crap", but that picture just makes me go "........" Maybe it's my lack of imagination, but that's the first thing that's actually brought home the horribleness of this thing.

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:03:41 -0800

Same here. As I was scrolling down the image, I was thinking, "Hey, that looks like a body over there. Oh, wow, another body. Oh, look another... Oh... Shit." And like one of those "Magic Eye" posters, suddenly I saw all of them at once.

By: Sangre Azul

Sangre Azul — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:06:07 -0800

Ditto, C_D. The pic doesn't fit in my entire window either, so the top sliver reminded me of some of the bad FL hurricane damage. Then you scroll down. ........

By: damn yankee

damn yankee — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:32:49 -0800

Dear god. It looks like there are a few people in that photo who are still alive. I don't know what would be worse, dying or living through that kind of trauma.

By: Bugbread

Bugbread — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:35:16 -0800

Damn yankee: The bodies are all very black and bloated (notice how fat everyone looks, and how tight their clothes are). I'm almost positive that the picture is from long, long after the tsunami.

By: Bugbread

Bugbread — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:51:35 -0800

Some googling indicates that blackening happens about 24 hours after death, and bloating on the third day after death, but is accelerated if the body is in water. My guess regarding the people you say still look alive are that they are the people with raised arms or legs. That's probably because they were floating face down when rigor mortis started, and then were rotated by the tide/flotsam/whathaveyou to a face up position.

By: rough ashlar

rough ashlar — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:14:02 -0800

Rough Ashlar - Is this the mysterious 'They' that also engineered the 9/11 attacks and New Coke? Nothing 'mysterious' about the 'they'. They follow the golden rule - he who has the gold makes the rules. Human suffering is profitable, don't ya know? If it is not profitable, then no action is taken. facetious *clap* *clap*

By: b_thinky

b_thinky — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:34:58 -0800

Current events have only made me sick twice. When watching the events of 9/11 happen live on TV, the first tower collapsed and I realized all those poor souls inside were doomed. As it came tumbling down, my heart hit my stomach and I almost puked. Seeing footage and photos that show the magnitude of this disaster kills me. Wow. Mother Nature is truly powerful. As I said on another thread, my wife is Indonesian. Thankfully her family lives far away from Aceh and is safe. I was in Jakarta when the Mariott bombing occurred and they show far more gruesome images than we're used to seeing here. Much like the pic Civil_Disobedience posted, you're disgusted by what you see but gain a new appreciation for the seriousness of the matter. What my in-laws describe to me is even worse. Parents holding the hands of their children and fruitlessly running from the wave. The wave hits and families are denied even the dignity of dying together. What a sad, sad situation. At least in Aceh, there was not much that could have been done, but the other nations should have had several hours of warning. In Aceh alone estimates say 1 in 4 people in the province has died - and that's before the wounded die and before disease sets in amongst the survivors. One of our good friends is from Aceh. He is missing several family members, including his brothers, nephews and children from his first marriage. I hope it's just because communications are down. For now I can't even look him in the eye. I can't imagine what he's going through.

By: HyperBlue

HyperBlue — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:57:20 -0800

C_D the stark reality of that photo is both compelling and mind-numbingly dismal. However, I find the video and photos of people fighting for their lives (when obviously doomed) much harder to look at. On another note, being an Okie in the middle of Tornado Alley I can't comprehend the absence of at least some sort of warning system. I don't buy the argument that power for sirens is unavailable-especially in the resort areas. In the poorest or most remote areas use a fucking bell, a hand-crank air raid siren, or use a diesel generator. In areas without phone service SAT phones would work to alert those responsible for siren activation. None of this will ever happen because (as evidenced time and time again) no one seems to give a shit about poor, brown people until it's too late. Fuck 2004.

By: ewagoner

ewagoner — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:16:57 -0800

no one seems to give a shit about poor, brown people until it's too late. And even then, some don't. Tonight, my TiVo was watching TBS. I walked in the room during a commercial break, and they were broadcasting some "Hollywood Minute" type of thing. The cheery voice-over said, and I'm quoting exactly, "A tidal wave of stars flooded Hollywood ..." to celebrate some movie premiere. I couldn't believe my ears. TiVo can't watch TBS anymore.

By: b_thinky

b_thinky — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:59:42 -0800

HyperBlue: I think it has less to do with poor, brown people than it has to do with this being a not even once in a century occurance. While tornados occur several times per year in your area, a 9.0 earthquake and tidal wave have not happened in that region in anyone's lifetime. Having visited SE Asia many times, I can tell you first hand that these folks are notoriously poor planners. We westerners take the attitude of "better safe than sorry" to the extreme. They're at the other end. The way they drive, produce, pollute, and construct is all about short term, oftentimes in sacrifice of the long term.

By: WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:08:16 -0800

Haunting tsunami photos by Mahesh Purkait in Thailand.

By: baphomet

baphomet — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:10:40 -0800

Hey OpinioNate, I just saw some DigitalGlobe images on my local news broadcast, congrats to your father and his company :)

By: carmina

carmina — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 23:41:12 -0800

C_D you shocked me and frightened me. I had never thought it would look like this. And I have seen my fair share of flicks about wars and disasters. And I lived through 9/11 down-friggin-town. Question: (greek) TV over satellite is reporting that there are still hundreds of foreign tourists who decided to stay put and continue their vacation on the area. This sounds really... really sick. Of course there are a lot of tourists who are helping out, but others apparently choose to party in nightclubs a few hundred meters away from where volunteers pick bodies from the rumble. Anyone heard this also?

By: ChasFile

ChasFile — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:19:32 -0800

I wrote: there was, at least in the case of Sri Lanka, several hours warning, just no way to get that warning to where it was needed Vaska writes in (apparent) rebuttal: First off the people in Aceh and close districts were doomed, having less then thirty minutes at best to get clear. I wrote: there was, at least in the case of Sri Lanka, several hours warning, just no way to get that warning to where it was needed Vaska writes in (apparent) rebuttal: The lack of a system to warn people is the real problem though. Think of the time involved. Call from NOAA to State Department... [blah blah blah... ] having no disaster infrastructure means that reaction times are monumentally slow, and people pay with their lives. Wow, Vlaska, I guess I stand corrected for saying in one sentence what you managed to say in, what, 20?

By: Sir Mildred Pierce

Sir Mildred Pierce — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 03:10:09 -0800

"...and it still won't save the fisherman tens of miles from the shore." Interestingly people out on boats 10 miles off shore wouldn't need saving as the wave hasn't crested yet, it would just be a big bulge they would ride over. It isn't until it gets up to the coast that it becomes a "wall of water"

By: Duug

Duug — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 03:28:21 -0800

By: LondonYank

LondonYank — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 04:23:09 -0800

Carmina: I read somewhere that people are being advised to continue their tourist plans to the area to help with direct financial support. I suppose the idea is that the tourism industry totally supports the livelihood of the local people? For example. Duug, I was just going to post saying almost the same thing. I have been to Rai Ley beach in southwestern Thailand several times, and since it is the only place I have been to which would have been affected by the tsunami, I was particularly interested in how it fared. I suppose I was trying to find a personal connection to bring the tragedy home; the scale and horror of the whole thing has sort of numbed me. In any case it appears that Rai Ley has gotten off pretty lightly, aside from about a dozen of the much-beloved boatmen who were unfortunate enough to be out in their longtails when the wave hit. Things seem to be getting back to normal, or as normal as could be expected, and as Duug said they really don't want people to cancel their trips; the entire economy hinges on tourist money: We have all seem the grisly pictures in the media. Thankfully they are nothing to do with Railay, Ao Nang and indeed most of Thailand. If you have booked a holiday in Railay, the best thing you can do is to turn up and enjoy yourselves. The locals are panicking that everyone is going to cancel, and that they will lose their businesses as a result. They would like it known that they are all open as usual, and are looking forward to seeing old friends, and making new ones. I think it's a case of context; in areas where there is clearly still an ongoing relief and cleanup effort, of course it would be inappropriate and disrespectable to engage in blatant leisure activities. But knowing that an area has been relatively spared, and knowing that they are depending on your money and actively want you to come visit, I don't think there's much harm in still holidaying there.

By: ericb

ericb — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 07:43:32 -0800

How Scientists and Victims Watched Helplessly [New York Times, December 31, 2004] BTW - NYT article has a multimedia/slide show "India's Aceh Region: Before and After" - based on the DigitalGlobe images (located in "A Disaster Unflods" box) in the right-hand column.

By: mr.marx

mr.marx — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:47:55 -0800

Death is all around, but the band plays on for the tourist horde

By: mwhybark

mwhybark — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:19:14 -0800

Also, the Times online ran either the pic C_D linked to or one taken by the same shooter in the same place at the same time briefly as the front page graphic last night. It was interesting how seeing the whole image at once lessened the impact. I showed my wife the image when I saw it at themaxx.com last night, and she has since said the same thing that others have - that it clarified the scope of the disaster for her.

By: ericb

ericb — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:05:39 -0800

"Technology Alone Can't Save Us - There's a tendency to believe that a high-tech warning system could have saved many of the tsunami victims. It certainly would have helped, but what's also needed is some good old-fashioned public education." [Newsweek, December 30, 2004]