Comments on: Ragged Line DIY - Panter, Pettibon, Chantry

Ragged Line DIY - Panter, Pettibon, Chantry

safetyfork — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:09:50 -0800

We all seem to know about Gary Panter: set designer for Pee-Wee's play house and author of the JIMBO comics. His site archives an increasing radius: see his comics, for instance, some Jimbo covers: 1, 2, 3. Or his custom drawings, which are done based on one to three words you supply. The ink drawings: 1, 2, 3 and the sketchbooks are nice, too: 1, 2, 3, 4. Seems like he's everywhere: writing on his blog or that oft remembered manifesto, sometimes being taught or written about. And, as connective tissue, his Screamers design is one of the more well regarded punk images out there. When I think of Panter, I also think of Raymond Pettibon, brother of Greg Ginn (Black Flag/SST). Featured in PBS ART 21 (check out the multi-media), his work graced numerous Black Flag and Minute men album covers and flyers. Zines also played an early role in his development. Mike Watt's own Hootpage documents some of Ray's art from the summer of 2003. Known for his interplay of image and word, some pieces seem to be in process, but all are still striking . More pieces can be seen at tractor.com. When I think of Pettibon, I sometimes think of Art Chantry. His posters (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7) are inspirational and his logos ain't too shabby either. Mr. Chantry has been known to debate the rise and fall of rock and roll graphic design, speak up on issues of the state of graphic design today (as well as Seattle). Some people can't surf, indeed.

By: furiousxgeorge

furiousxgeorge — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:11:32 -0800

this post hurts my brain.

By: mrgrimm

mrgrimm — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:11:56 -0800

[more inside?]

By: fatllama

fatllama — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:15:29 -0800

Hell of a first FPP.

By: lobstah

lobstah — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:17:13 -0800

I think I sprained my clicking finger.

By: wessatong

wessatong — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:22:12 -0800

all those links! all those links!

By: snsranch

snsranch — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:24:32 -0800

Yea yea, huge post. But I like the content. I've been a fan of Pettibone and all of the SST guys since the mid 80s. It's gonna take all night to read this stuff. But hell, it's good. I've been wanting to post about Pettibone for a while. Thanks for doing the work for me. I'll just read and ENJOY! (Descendents/ALL)

By: safetyfork

safetyfork — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:36:57 -0800

I had nested it all in a set of small tags, but they seemed to have escaped me. There's always a gotcha lurkin' to getcha. FWIW, here are some links I pruned: Joe Clark on Panter, Watt's page on Ray's videos/films, a short critical appraisal of Pettibon, and, a review of the Chantry book (that would've landed on "indeed" if the eye magazine server wasn't misbehaving).

By: absalom

absalom — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 15:39:11 -0800

Don't let the nay sayers get you down. This post is hard core wonderful.

By: snsranch

snsranch — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:04:12 -0800

The Minutemen were asskickers in their day. Alot of pissed off social and political commentary. Just replace "Reagan" with "Bush" and the songs are valid today. (Yea, I know your talking art here, but I'm just excited to read about something so seemingly obscure and yet so close to my personal experience.)

By: davebush

davebush — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:11:10 -0800

Pettibon is Ginn's brother!? Holy shit. All these years and I never knew that.

By: mwhybark

mwhybark — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:18:15 -0800

Way to school the people! You didn't mention Panter's early collaboration with Matt Groening, though, unless I missed it in the profusion. I miss Art Chantry's stuff around town a great deal. He is unfairly thought of as primarily regional, I think, when his material is clearly better than simply the work of a regional designer.

By: tkchrist

tkchrist — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:25:41 -0800

Hey Mike. You beautiful bastard. Guess who? You said it. Chantry ain't regional - he's ripped off everywhere! Wendy Q saw Art at the last big AIGA conference in St. Louis he looked actually... happy in his now opulent digs where he maintains a palatial studio one tenth of the cost of our rat infested West Seattle post war groove shack. PS. How the hell are you?

By: Doohickie

Doohickie — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:39:59 -0800

It's pretty rude to devote that much front page space to one subject. A [more inside] was definitely in order.

By: Bugbread

Bugbread — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:49:35 -0800

Doohickie: He/she said she had the thing couched in small tags, which seem to have escaped. There was no intent to take up that amount of space. Honest mistake.

By: May Kasahara

May Kasahara — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:29:06 -0800

When I first saw Gary Panter, I was about to pass this post up (don't much like his stuff, nope)... then I saw Pettibon's name. I looove his work. The retrospective partially organized by the Philadelphia Museum of Art was Pettibon heaven ^_^

By: R. Mutt

R. Mutt — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 17:43:12 -0800

Thank you Safetyfork.

By: mwhybark

mwhybark — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:57:50 -0800

Good god almighty! Todd: March 5. How the hell are ya, et cetry. I suppose old home day should be offline, like.

By: interrobang

interrobang — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:24:51 -0800

Big, but great post.

By: snsranch

snsranch — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:31:04 -0800

Pettibon is Ginn's brother!? Holy shit. All these years and I never knew that. posted by davebush at 4:11 PM PST on February 18 No shit, how crazy is that? It's pretty rude to devote that much front page space to one subject. A [more inside] was definitely in order. posted by Doohickie at 4:39 PM PST on February 18 Would it be rude if I punched you up and puked my Pabst Blue Ribbon on you? (kidding) Your opinion is highly valued, and then tossed. (also kidding) Just reminds me of those good old days drinking crappy beer smoking crappy weed, and fighting people for no apparent reason, Black Flag can do that to a guy.

By: yakcat01

yakcat01 — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:36:00 -0800

Someone mentioned an early collaboration of Gary Panter and Matt Groening? That was probably "Ocurence At Oki Dog", which I published in a ratty underground comic called Hoo-Be-Boo, in 1983. I scanned that strip, as well as a swell collaboration between Gary and Rick Potts, and Gary's inside cover, and posted them here . Enjoy!

By: mwhybark

mwhybark — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:53:18 -0800

Genius, yakcat01! I was indeed thinking of the Fuk Boys. My impression is that they did multiple stories, but I've only ever heard of them from interviews with one or another - Panter in the CJ, I think. Whatever it was, they ran a couple frames but not enough of to really get the idea. I love how Groening's stuff is identifiable amidst the ink riot. I'm pretty sure that's a Black Flag tee in frame one.

By: mwhybark

mwhybark — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:54:42 -0800

Oh, and welcome to MeFi!

By: Doohickie

Doohickie — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:58:40 -0800

bugbread: Grumble grumble grumble. </curmudgeon>

By: soyjoy

soyjoy — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:29:07 -0800

Wow. Whadda post. I mean to say, WHADDA POST! matteo is now officially pwned. But in a good way...

By: mania

mania — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:46:22 -0800

Not such a big fan of Chantry's 40's clipart finds. But, that's what makes horse races...

By: drpynchon

drpynchon — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:14:09 -0800

[RAD]

By: soundofsuburbia

soundofsuburbia — Sat, 19 Feb 2005 03:58:43 -0800

I'm gonna have a clicky linky party tonight! Allright! This post is a thing of absolute beauty. Thank you ever so much, safetyfork!

By: safetyfork

safetyfork — Sat, 19 Feb 2005 06:02:59 -0800

Thanks for pointing to the Groening/Panter collab, yakcat01! That one slipped by as well as my own personal poland, ArtChantry.com (store/posters). Imagine walking down the street at night after posting this and remembering that, there's a genuine d'oh right there.

By: Atom12

Atom12 — Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:06:15 -0800

Awesome post. I know I've mentioned this before in other poster-related posts here, but anyone with so much as an inkling of interest in the current state of rock poster art needs to check out The Art of Modern Rock, an absolutely gorgeous coffee table book with tons of images from Chantry, Ames bros, Lindesey Kuhn, Frank Kozik and others.

By: y2karl

y2karl — Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:07:13 -0800

Panter told me once that Conky's head was made from an old IBM adding machine case. He's a nice guy. His homewrecker wife, however, is one of the meanest people I have ever met.