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		<title>masks</title>
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		<description>I have been thinking about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.broadviewpress.com/drama/images/Detail%20from%20the%20Pronomos%20Vase%20depicting%20Roman%20actors%20with%20masks%20as%20Hercules%20and%20Dionysus.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Pronomos vase (detail), depicting actors with masks as Hercules and Dionysus (late fifth/early 4th century BCE) &quot;&gt;masks&lt;/a&gt; lately. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anymask.com/forandfunofm.html&quot; title=&quot;The Functions And Forms Of Masks&quot;&gt;Masks&lt;/a&gt; are &lt;a href=&quot;http://didaskalia.open.ac.uk/issues/vol6no1/varakis.html&quot; title=&quot;http://didaskalia.open.ac.uk/issues/vol6no1/varakis.html&quot; title=&quot;Research on the Ancient Mask&quot;&gt;ancient&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.art.umd.edu/people/FSham/honr288artt200/studentwork/berenicejuarez/&quot; title=&quot;Masks&apos; Fundamental Differences In World Culture&quot;&gt;universal&lt;/a&gt;, our ancestors put on masks to become an other, to become a god, even unto &lt;a href=&quot;http://hometown.aol.com/miketben/miktben2.htm&quot; title=&quot;The Grand Council of the Haudenosaunee, The Six Nations Iroquois Confederacy, issues the following policy statement regarding all medicine masks of the Haudenosaunee&quot;&gt;this day&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/youth/history/thestoryofmankind/chap18.html&quot; title=&quot;The Origins of the Theatre, the First Form of Public Amusement&quot;&gt;Greek&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imagi-nation.com/moonstruck/spectop007.html&quot; title=&quot;Aristotle, Classic Technique, and Greek Drama&quot;&gt;tragedy &lt;/a&gt;and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theatrehistory.com/ancient/bates001.html&quot; title=&quot;Origin of Comedy&quot;&gt;comedy&lt;/a&gt; began in the worship of &lt;a href=&quot;http://home.earthlink.net/~delia5/pagan/dio/Dionysos-99wtp.htm&quot; title=&quot;Of all the gods of ancient Greece, none has proved as enigmatic and compelling as Dionysos. &quot;&gt;Dionysos&lt;/a&gt;, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.uvic.ca/grs/bowman/myth/gods/dionysos_t.html&quot; title=&quot;Classical Myth: Dionysos: Texts&quot;&gt;god of wine, intoxication, and creative ecstasy&lt;/a&gt;, in &lt;a href=&quot;http://research.haifa.ac.il/~mluz/dionysus.html&quot; title=&quot;Dionysus: Myth and Ritual in Sources of the Archaic Period&quot;&gt;rituals &lt;/a&gt;where worshipers often wore or worshipped masks. Indeed, the word for mask  in Greek drama was persona, now commonly used to describe &lt;a href=&quot;http://psychcentral.com/blogs/kaycee.htm&quot; title=&quot;The mystery or story of Kaycee is one that has been told in the past, which has occurred in the past, both online and many times in the real world. A story is circulated about a child (usually) who has a terminal disease. Send money, send cards, send your outpourings to help! &quot;&gt;constructed online identities&lt;/a&gt;. And so &lt;a href=&quot;http://hyper.vcsun.org/HyperNews/jrose/get/th315/weektwo.html?inline=-1&quot; title=&quot;Roles and Conventions&quot;&gt;we&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.indigosun.com/aug1998/golden.htm&quot; title=&quot;The Masks We Wear&quot;&gt;understand&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dallasinstitute.org/Programs/Previous/SPRING99/talktext/joanne99a.htm&quot; title=&gt;ourselves&lt;/a&gt; as wearing masks, whole series of masks--behind which we find only emptiness, for we can never see ourselves truly.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:03:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864049</link>	
		<description>Oh, if one Googles the word &lt;em&gt;mask&lt;/em&gt; with the words &lt;em&gt;sacred&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;religion&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;god&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;ritual&lt;/em&gt; or &lt;em&gt;role&lt;/em&gt;, to name but a few, one at a time by turn, one comes across so many links. Here are a few at random:

 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dollsofindia.com/library/article0010/&quot;&gt;Masks : Reflections of Culture and Religion&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/index4.html&quot;&gt;Roman statuettes of actors and theatrical masks&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/sw/oma/img/pl01.jpg&quot;&gt;Masks&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/sw/oma/index.htm&quot;&gt;Origin Myth of Acoma and Other Records&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reclaimingquarterly.org/83/rq-83-clown.html&quot;&gt;Masks of the Sacred Clown&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/TheaterArt.htm&quot;&gt;Ancient Greece Theater Masks, Actors&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/cgonzalez/colimadog3s.jpg&quot;&gt;Dog With A Human Mask&lt;/a&gt; from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/cgonzalez/cgcolimadog.html&quot;&gt;Dog With A Human Mask&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://maskart.8m.com/photo2.html&quot;&gt;The Mask Performers&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/earlychina/publications/ecjournal/ec20/childs-johnson.html&quot;&gt;The Ghost Head Mask and Metamorphic Shang Imagery&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mpm.edu/collect/mask.html&quot;&gt;Masks&lt;/a&gt; by George Ulrich

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/2001/2/01.02.06.x.html&quot;&gt;Rites of Passage: Initiation Masks in French Speaking Black Africa&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mnsfld.edu/~commthea/crum110.htm&quot;&gt;Common Ground for Uncommon Cultures&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.greekhandicraft.com/mask.html&quot;&gt;Reproductions of Greek Theatrical Masks&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:04:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864058</link>	
		<description>Oh, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theatrelinks.com/masks.htm&quot;&gt;Theater Masks&lt;/a&gt; is good, too.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:10:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shoepal</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864065</link>	
		<description>Thanks for not using the small type.  Much easier to appreciate your post!  I&apos;ve always been a fan of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anymask.com/masksfromjapan.html&quot;&gt;Noh masks&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:16:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864066</link>	
		<description> I had nothing to quote.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:18:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: davy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864103</link>	
		<description>y2karl opined: &lt;em&gt;&quot;[W]e understand ourselves as wearing masks, whole series of masks--behind which we find only emptiness, for we can never see ourselves truly.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Speak for yourself. I understand myself as basically maskless -- I don&apos;t even bother to hide from you.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:05:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864119</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt; I understand myself as basically maskless &lt;/em&gt;

You have no shadow, no dark side, no unconscious and perfect 
self-knowledge then ?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:42:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mwhybark</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864136</link>	
		<description>yay! i love masks, y2k. I have at least four decorating the homestaed, one of which is (bonus!) a card-modeling representation of a Northwest Coast spirit, Dzunokwa. I built her in the midwest and her hair comes from the cedars along the banks of the river Jordan that runs though my hometown.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:12:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: taz</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864178</link>	
		<description>Nice, karl. From elsewhere on the &quot;The Mask Performers&quot; link, I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://maskart.8m.com/photo3.html&quot;&gt;this interesting bit&lt;/a&gt; about &quot;larval masks&quot;, which I hadn&apos;t heard of before.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.maskenmuseum.de/start_galerie.html&quot;&gt;Here&apos;s a site&lt;/a&gt; for a mask museum in Germany (maskenmuseum mi.st&#246;hr diedorf). While there is unfortunately not much info about the individual masks, it still quite interesting because the galleries here are grouped by continent, so you can sort of compare and contrast the various styles geographically. (Plus, you know... eye candy.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 01:38:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tannhauser</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864185</link>	
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Indeed, the word for mask in Greek drama was persona&lt;/b&gt;

I feel hideously hair-splitty for doing this, but the &lt;i&gt;Latin&lt;/i&gt; word for a tragic mask is &lt;i&gt;persona&lt;/i&gt;. Greek, as ever, is more diffuse and more interesting - terms for masks include &lt;i&gt;prosopeion&lt;/i&gt;, which is closely cognate with &lt;i&gt;prosope&lt;/i&gt; - face - and also &lt;i&gt;skeue&lt;/i&gt;, which is one of the most versatile words in the language - it changes meaning depending on what it is applied to, having a neutral meaning something like &quot;gear&quot; or  &quot;trappings&quot;. There&apos;s a great word - &lt;i&gt;autoprosopis&lt;/i&gt; - which is used to describe an actor who is appearing on stage as himself - that is, wearing his own face as his actor&apos;s mask. Love that.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:13:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: raygirvan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864227</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=theatre%20masks&amp;hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;sa=N&amp;tab=wi&quot;&gt;Theatre masks&lt;/a&gt;. Ugh. Don&apos;t theatrical organisations realise how naff the smiley-frowny mask logo has become?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:22:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MrBaliHai</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864248</link>	
		<description>Excellent post, y2. Here&apos;s some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.maskmuseum.com/coding/english/sub08.asp&quot;&gt;Korean Hahoe&lt;/a&gt; masquery to add to your pile &apos;o links.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:39:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jonmc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864257</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;[W]e understand ourselves as wearing masks, whole series of masks--behind which we find only emptiness, for we can never see ourselves truly.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

&quot;We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be.&quot; --Kurt Vonnegut</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:57:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lyam</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864275</link>	
		<description>Great links.  I&apos;ve been re-reading Jung and this dovetails perfectly.

I&apos;m also continually surprised at the number of people who truly believe they fully know and understand who they are.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:19:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: adzm</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864282</link>	
		<description>Great post, y2karl.  I agree with a lot of what is being said here about the inability to perceive one&apos;s true self; but I don&apos;t understand how that leads to &quot;only emptiness&quot; behind the mask.  Darkness, I could understand, because dark is only that which we can&apos;t percieve.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:27:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864365</link>	
		<description>Great post indeed.  Thanks for taking the time to dig up so many thought-provoking (or just plain &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/sw/oma/img/pl01.jpg&quot;&gt;beautiful&lt;/a&gt;) links.  The &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://didaskalia.open.ac.uk/issues/vol6no1/varakis.html&quot;&gt;ancient&lt;/a&gt;&quot; link made me want to see a performance using masks (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stratfordfestival.ca/imagegallery/archives_images/1955oedipus.jpg&quot;&gt;this photograph&lt;/a&gt; especially whetted my appetite).  And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/2001/2/01.02.06.x.html&quot;&gt;African&lt;/a&gt; masks and secret-society traditions have fascinated me for years.  Allow me to quote the start of L&#233;opold S&#233;dar Senghor&apos;s &quot;Prayer to Masks&quot;:&lt;blockquote&gt;Masks! Masks!
Black mask red mask, you white-and-black masks
Masks of the four points from which the Spirit blows
In silence I salute you!
Nor you the least, the Lion-headed Ancestor
You guard this place forbidden to all laughter of women, to all smiles that fade
You distil this air of eternity in which I breathe the air of my Fathers.
Masks of unmasked faces, stripped of the marks of illness and the lines of age
You who have fashioned this portrait, this my face bent over the altar of white paper
In your own image, hear me!...&lt;/blockquote&gt;(French text &lt;a href=&quot;http://crh.choate.edu/language/frenchpoems/priere%20aux%20masques.htm&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.)

&lt;small&gt;tannhauser: I feel even more hideously hair-splitty than you, but the Greek word for &apos;face&apos; is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3D%2390434&quot;&gt;prosopon&lt;/a&gt;, not &lt;em&gt;prosope&lt;/em&gt;, and &lt;em&gt;skeue&lt;/em&gt; isn&apos;t defined as &apos;mask&apos; in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3D%2394730&quot;&gt;LSJ&lt;/a&gt; (&quot;&lt;em&gt;equipment, attire, apparel&lt;/em&gt;... esp. of the &lt;em&gt;dress&lt;/em&gt; of a singer or actor&quot;).  Actually, I think the commonest word for &apos;mask&apos; is simply &lt;em&gt;prosopon&lt;/em&gt; (&apos;face&apos;); the modern Greek word is &lt;em&gt;prosopida&lt;/em&gt;, from &lt;em&gt;prosopis&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:15:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: matteo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864393</link>	
		<description>good post
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.museodellemaschere.it/frames2.html&quot;&gt;
Museo delle Maschere Mediterranee&lt;/a&gt;

MetaFilter -- I Had Nothing to Quote</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:42:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: weapons-grade pandemonium</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864465</link>	
		<description>Thanks y2karl.  This brings to mind &lt;em&gt;Eyes Wide Shut&lt;/em&gt;&#8212;a most insightful and misunderstood exploration of (not sex but) masks. For example, Tom Cruise wears the  &quot;Doctor&quot; mask, which confers status, wealth and influence. But when he goes to the costume party he must abandon all this, and he escapes the threat to his life only with the help of a woman who wears no mask.

This is the paradox of anonymity.  When we put on a mask, we bare ourselves, because we relinquish our bigger mask: a lifetime of carefully cultivated credentials and postures and possessions.  

This is why the Internet &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/39938&quot;&gt;disturbs some people.&lt;/a&gt;

MetaFilter:  the mask that unmasks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:56:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864485</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;I feel hideously hair-splitty for doing this, but the Latin word for a tragic mask is persona. &lt;/em&gt;

You are right.  I am embarrassed for making such a bone headed error--I should have figured it out by the sound alone but I was very sloppy. Is &lt;em&gt;skeue &lt;/em&gt; a variant spelling of what I saw somewhere as  &lt;em&gt;skene&lt;/em&gt; ? I gather it is the root for scenery and scene.

What came to mind for me was &lt;a href=&quot;http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:3zEJR5J4Jz0J:www.mulle-kybernetik.com/RAL/MT/arcanum.html+%22R.+A.+Lafferty%22+%22Thus+We+Frustrate+Charlemagne%22&amp;hl=en&quot; title=&quot;In &apos;Thus We Frustrate Charlemagne,&apos; the history changers at the Institute for Impure Science decide to change history, but they will have an objective reference to the world before the change, so they can see if their attempt worked. Of course&#8212;following a long established tradition in Science Fiction&#8212;the change changes their memories and their external object. Now this is more than commonly interesting, because the Institute for Impure Science is here doing to itself what Lafferty does for his readers&#8212;changing the rules at some time before the action begins (this is one of the many uses of self-reference which haunt Lafferty&apos;s work).&quot;&gt;R. A. Lafferty&apos;s&lt;/a&gt; wonderful time travel story &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mulle-kybernetik.com/RAL/comment.html&quot;&gt;Thus We Frustrate Charlemagne&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, wherein the  Institute for Impure Science--including Epikt the Ktistec Machine, a recurring character in his work--change history over and over, but change themselves and their memories over and over as well. 

After one transformation, they  sitting around a fire in a cave and Epikt is a mask on poles--they take turns running up behind the mask and speaking in its voice. That scene has lingered in my memory ever since I read it.

&lt;small&gt;No&lt;em&gt;us sommes si accoutum&#233;s &#224; nous d&#233;guiser aux autres qu&apos;enfin nous nous d&#233;guisons &#224; nous-m&#234;mes.&lt;/em&gt;

We are so accustomed to disguising ourselves that we wind up disguising ourselves from ourselves.

Francois Duc de la Rochefoucauld &lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:14:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864489</link>	
		<description>y2karl: See the small print at the end of my comment for &quot;skeue.&quot; (And click the LSJ link for more.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:19:02 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864502</link>	
		<description>Oh, I see--&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/image?arch=1990.38.0150&quot;&gt;skene&lt;/a&gt; is a different word.

&lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.richeast.org/htwm/Greeks/theatre/stage.html&quot;&gt;Skene&lt;/a&gt;

The skene of the theatre showed the background and is a little like a modern day stage. It has the scene like picture on the background. In the foreground is the actual stage. There might be tables, there were exits and entrances, and whatever kind of buildings may be needed. The hypocrits, actors, moved around the skene to make it appear that they were doing something. If they were writing, they would sit at the table and do so, or pretend to do it. They would have a pen, or some kind of writing tool, to write with. 

Inside a permanent skene, were machines. One machine, the Aeorema, was a crane that enabled the gods appear on the stage. Another machine, the Periactoi, was placed inside pillars on the left and right side of the stage. It changed the background of the skene. The last machine used was the Ekeclema, a platform on wheels to bring the bodies of the dead out to show the audience. This was necessary since murder and suicide never took place in front of the audience. &lt;/small&gt;

But do they come from the same root ? 

I am going to have to do an I. F. Stone some day and actually try to learn Classical Greek in my dotage.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:33:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: crazy finger</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864528</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;I&apos;m also continually surprised at the number of people who truly believe they fully know and understand who they are.&lt;/em&gt;

Could you be &lt;em&gt;more &lt;/em&gt;arrogant? Who are you to judge that other people don&apos;t or can&apos;t understand themselves? I recall an exercise in which I once participated:

I was asked to think of somebody whom I greatly admired. After deciding, I wrote down six (6) of their traits which I admired most on the sides of a cube, and wrapped the cube in paper. Eventually I came to learn that in order to witness and admire those traits in other person, I must have possessed those traits, to some degree, myself.

In conclusion, &lt;a href=&quot;null&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/user/18832&quot;&gt;lyam&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, you don&apos;t know nor understand yourself. And before somebody turns this around on me: yes I am arrogant, and I like it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:56:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joey Michaels</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864532</link>	
		<description>Me?  I like me some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commediabyfava.it/maschere.htm&quot;&gt;commedia dell&apos;arte&lt;/a&gt; masks.

And, of course, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/35301&quot;&gt;death masks&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:02:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864573</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Oh, if one Googles the word mask with the words sacred, religion, god, ritual or role, to name but a few, one at a time by turn, one comes across so many links.&lt;/em&gt;

Just for the record, I did not construct this post at random. Those were just some of the search terms I used. I was actually looking for something specific in regards to masks--a passage from &lt;a href=&quot;http://theol.uibk.ac.at/cover/&quot;&gt;Rene Girard&lt;/a&gt; about masks in sacrifice--which I never found to my satisfaction, for a post on a whole other topic. But then I began to look for a page about masks and the roots of religion, also which I never found to my satisfaction, and these links were parts of a whole I have yet to see in itself.

I did find the most interesting things, though, besides the links above--like Robert Christgau&apos;s 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/music/dionysus-emp.php&quot; title=&quot;Dionysus was a minor god in Homer&apos;s time. Only in the seventh century did his renown start spreading, in festival at least as much as cult. This was a grassroots movement--a grassroots movement of people who liked to party. Did it have graver meanings? Perhaps something to do with how inadequately paeans palliated mortality. Did it threaten the state? Made it nervous, maybe. Was it explicitly &apos;versus&apos; Apollo? Seems the Germans made that up. Did it offend bigshots and bigdomes? Plenty, but it also attracted some--most people like to party, and Dionysian partying featured big jugs and wild music. So get this--various Greek politicians proceeded to coopt it.&quot;&gt;The Dionysus Theory: Rock as Ecstatic Release, Tragic Knowledge, and/or Unmitigated Romantic Bullshit&lt;/a&gt;, for example.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:37:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: plep</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864586</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;Great post. Thanks y2karl.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:01:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: plep</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864594</link>	
		<description>Don&apos;t forget &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vill.yamanakako.yamanashi.jp/bungaku/mishima/nenpu/his46_51.html&quot;&gt;Confessions of a Mask.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:06:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lyam</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864621</link>	
		<description>crazy finger, yes I could be much more arrogant.  I could assume that &lt;em&gt;I&lt;/em&gt; really and completely know who I am.

I might be arrogant but I tend to assume (based on the scant few years I have under my belt) that almost nobody really has any idea about who they really are.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:31:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tannhauser</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864901</link>	
		<description>&lt;b&gt;tannhauser: I feel even more hideously hair-splitty than you, but the Greek word for &apos;face&apos; is prosopon, not prosope, and skeue isn&apos;t defined as &apos;mask&apos; in LSJ&lt;/b&gt; 

Quite right - sleepy brain mixed &lt;i&gt;propopon&lt;/i&gt; up wth &lt;i&gt;prosope&lt;/i&gt;, a &lt;i&gt;hapax&lt;/i&gt; (AFAIK) alternate for &lt;i&gt;prosopsis&lt;/i&gt; - character. Apologies. &lt;i&gt;porosopon&lt;/i&gt; is used to mean &quot;mask&quot;, but does not have the specific meaning of &quot;mask&quot;, hence my citation of the variant &lt;i&gt;prosopeion&lt;/i&gt;, which again AFAIK is only ever used to mean a dramatic mask.

However, I would respectfully suggest one might dig a little deeper on &lt;i&gt;skeue&lt;/i&gt; - one might start with &lt;i&gt;skeuopoios&lt;/i&gt; - a maker of stage-properties (LSJ again), including masks. Likewise &lt;i&gt;skeuopoiema&lt;/i&gt; - the mask is, I would offer, one of the trappings of the actor described by &lt;i&gt;skeue&lt;/i&gt;.


y2karl - on skene and skeue - unlikely, I think.  It doesn&apos;t show in English, but those are different &quot;e&quot;s - &lt;i&gt;skene&lt;/i&gt; is sigma-kappa-eta, &lt;i&gt;skeue&lt;/i&gt; is sigma-kappa-epsilon. Languagehat - any thoughts? Your Greek is clearly fresher than mine...

On the mask in tragedy - I&apos;m trying to find a substantial link about &lt;i&gt;Greek Tragedy in Action&lt;/i&gt;, by Oliver Taplin - can anyone with better web skills find anything?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:44:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: languagehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#864980</link>	
		<description>No, no relation that I can see: &lt;em&gt;skene&lt;/em&gt; is probably related to &lt;em&gt;skia&lt;/em&gt; &apos;shadow,&apos; &lt;em&gt;skeue/skeuos&lt;/em&gt; to Old English &lt;em&gt;h&amp;eacute;gan&lt;/em&gt; &apos;perform, achieve.&apos;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 17:09:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tozturk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#868690</link>	
		<description>One of my professors was telling us about a coffee table book she saw at some forensic doctor&apos;s house. Basically, it was a book of pictures of cadavers in every position imaginable...but each picture was prefaced with a mask picture. The theory was that the book was going to show you these terrible pictures, but to ward off the &quot;evil&quot; associated with the pictures, the mask pictures were there.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:19:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: techgnollogic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/39927/masks#869180</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://niketown.nike.com/niketown/catalog/category.jsp?categoryId=52627&amp;navtype=nikecom&quot;&gt;Masks for Warriors&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:04:27 -0800</pubDate>
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