Comments on: just good ol' boys? wtf?

just good ol' boys? wtf?

amberglow — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:11:46 -0800

Integrated Planning Guidance, Fiscal Years 2005-2011 --a Dept. of Homeland Security document outlining groups to watch out for in the coming years completely omits rightwing and militia groups and individuals as a threat. Clearly listed in the document? ELF and ALF--leftwing groups that destroy property, but have never murdered, unlike Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph and the many others who have arsenals and plenty of hatred, and have already proven themselves killers.

By: schyler523

schyler523 — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:31:48 -0800

*checks self in mirror...doesn't see terrorist. A lot of people said, 'I'm fighting against the Zionist Occupied Government, I'm not here to kill children," Ellis explained. Oh, at least they have their priorities straight, and GOD on their side. Who need a stupid list to be a terrorist? /sarcasm

By: dhoyt

dhoyt — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:35:13 -0800

completely omits rightwing and militia groups Like Islamic Jihad, al-Qaeda, Jemaah Islamiyah, HAMAS, Hezbollah, Abu Sayyaf, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Al-Jihad, Salafist, et al? unlike Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph I don't remember McVeigh or Rudolph acting on behalf of known terrorist group, though they reportedly had financial backing by one group or the other. Has anyone seen the document so we can verify one way or the other?

By: euphorb

euphorb — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:47:09 -0800

You don't remember the fellow in Texas building a cyanide bomb powerful enough to kill thousands of people?

By: amberglow

amberglow — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:47:52 -0800

ok, dhoyt--completely omits domestic rightwing and militia groups made up of white US citizens. The guy who works for the Congressional Quarterly has seen and read them. any other attempts to derail?

By: dhoyt

dhoyt — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:04:45 -0800

You don't remember the fellow in Texas building a cyanide bomb powerful enough to kill thousands of people? The document in question purportedly outlines groups to be on the watch for—what group is Krar affiliated with? What groups were McVeigh & Rudolph officially representing? When Krar was arrested, I remember the word "terrorist" being thrown around rather liberally by the media & government both despite the fact that he's white and homegrown. The guy who works for the Congressional Quarterly has seen and read them. It's a legitimate request, not a derail. A guy I've never heard of describing a document he saw is clearly not the same as having it for ourselves to read, amberglow. It's a legitimate request, not a derail.

By: clevershark

clevershark — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:12:11 -0800

You don't remember the fellow in Texas building a cyanide bomb powerful enough to kill thousands of people? That would be the guy who get a lesser sentence than the federal mandatory minimum for dope possession, right?

By: clevershark

clevershark — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:12:44 -0800

oops... that would of course be "who got a lesser sentence..."

By: UseyurBrain

UseyurBrain — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:29:08 -0800

Pure politics. Sickening. They don't even try to hide it anymore. But maybe...just maybe people are beginning to wake up in light of the Schiavo case?

By: queen zixi

queen zixi — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:16:52 -0800

Krar... Rudolph... The New Jersey Militia and the Army of God, respectively.

By: leftcoastbob

leftcoastbob — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:14:16 -0800

Jeff Luers was sentenced to almost 23 years as a domestic terrorist in Eugene Oregon. He started a small fire at a car dealership and burned three SUV's. How can anyone possibly say that this sentence is in line with the crime?

By: destro

destro — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:29:37 -0800

completely omits rightwing and militia groups yeah, should be "omits domestic rightwing militia groups" and although McVeigh may not have been a member himself... ...there was considerable evidence that he sympathized with and espoused their beliefs. He voiced their ideas in conversations, he wrote letters expressing them, he read their literature and attended their meetings. And he lived, worked and traded weapons in areas where the paramilitary groups enjoy considerable support, according to numerous interviews. Which is a lot more contact than some of the supposed al Qaeda terrorists had.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:35:50 -0800

what he said (and queen too) We're ignoring these people at our peril. They're more of a threat than Al Qaeda or Hamas or any of the foreign individuals or groups.

By: nofundy

nofundy — Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:20:30 -0800

I'm sure the omissions were completely unintentional and will be rectified right away. [cough] Dave Niewart will be all over this. Headed over there to check out the truth from a person oen can actually trust. (unlike Bush cronies) They could have contacted the SPLC and obtained a complete and well documented list of these types. Wonder why they never thought of that? ;-)

By: Smedleyman

Smedleyman — Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:37:41 -0800

I like how after 9/11 everyone was suddenly an anti-terrorist expert. Later on some of them got government jobs. Many of them strangely were of the same color and hairstyle.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:26:06 -0800

The Rudolphs of America ... Yet, he was able to evade police and FBI agents for five years. How could that happen? Where and from whom did he get his funds? What organizations did he belong to? Who were his associates? The questions have not been satisfactorily answered. And they may not be because the government has its "lone nut" suspected murderer and there may be no need to dig any further. But it's well known that some in the backwater, intensely religious North Carolina town where Rudolph lived, sported "Run Rudolph Run" tee shirts when he was identified as the Atlanta bombing suspect. When he was captured some called him a patriot, and claimed that he was driven to his deadly acts by a liberal, and Godless, federal government. Rudolph's attorneys plan to spend time explaining to the jurors why so many people in that neck of the woods thought (and still think) Rudolph's a hero, maybe even a victim. The notion that terrorism only comes in the form of al Qaeda attacks presumes that gender and racially motivated violence are isolated acts committed by a handful of quacks, and unreconstructed bigots, and that state authorities vigorously report and prosecute the perpetrators of these crimes is fiction. ...