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	<title>Comments on: Derelicts vs. Cannibals</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:26:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Derelicts vs. Cannibals</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airchive.com/SITE%20PAGES/VIN-ARDMORE.html&quot; title=&quot;The Airchive: Ardmore, Oklahoma graveyard&quot;&gt;Planes&lt;/a&gt; check &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airchive.com/airline%20pics/Mojave%20Scans%20Compressed/727%20parking%20lot.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Mojave: row of 727s&quot;&gt;in&lt;/a&gt; but they don&apos;t check &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airchive.com/airline%20pics/Mojave%20Scans%20Compressed/jet%20parking%20lot.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Mojave: runway to nowhere&quot;&gt;out&lt;/a&gt;.  At &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airchive.com/airline%20pics/Mojave%20Scans%20Compressed/cockpits%20in%20the%20air.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Mojave: cockpits look to the heavens&quot;&gt;boneyards&lt;/a&gt; across the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airchive.com/airline%20pics/Ardmore%20Compressed/Odd%20737%20under%20747%20tail.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Ardmore: he ain&apos;t heavy...&quot;&gt; country&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airchive.com/airline%20pics/Mojave%20Scans%20Compressed/737%20cockpit%20on%20the%20ground.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Mojave: 737 cockpit on the ground&quot;&gt;derelict&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airchive.com/airline%20pics/Mojave%20Scans%20Compressed/Tri%20Stars/L1011%20cockpit.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Mojave: L1011 cockpit&quot;&gt;airliners&lt;/a&gt; await &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airchive.com/airline%20pics/Mojave%20Scans%20Compressed/747%20cannibalized.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Mojave: The plane stripped bare by its bachelors, even&quot;&gt;cannibalization&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airchive.com/airline%20pics/Mojave%20Scans%20Compressed/PAN%20AM727%20on%20side.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Mojave: Pan Am 727 on its side&quot;&gt;destruction&lt;/a&gt;, or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airchive.com/airline%20pics/Evergreen%20Compressed/UA%20DC-3.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Evergreen: restored DC-3&quot;&gt;possible&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airchive.com/airline%20pics/Mojave%20Scans%20Compressed/Connie.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Mojave: restored Constellaton&quot;&gt;restoration&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:19:52 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>breezeway</dc:creator>		<category>flight</category>		<category>commercial</category>		<category>aviation</category>		<category>aircraft</category>		<category>graveyard</category>		<category>boneyard</category>		<category>scrapyard</category>
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		<title>By: Mayor Curley</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891816</link>	
		<description>Was anyone else&apos;s first thought &quot;GTA: San Andreas&quot;?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:26:22 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mayor Curley</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Mayor Curley</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891828</link>	
		<description>Actually, if you can get the numbers, you can find photos of many of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airchive.com/airline%20pics/Ardmore%20Compressed/Odd%20737%20under%20747%20tail.jpg&quot;&gt;deceased planes&lt;/a&gt; when they were &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=569081&amp;WxsIERv=Obrvat%20747-122&amp;WdsYXMg=Havgrq%20Nveyvarf&amp;QtODMg=Fna%20Qvrtb%20-%20Vagreangvbany%20%2F%20Yvaqoretu%20Svryq%20%28FNA%20%2F%20XFNA%29&amp;ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Pnyvsbeavn&amp;ktODMp=Sroehnel%201985&amp;BP=0&amp;WNEb25u=Senax%20P.%20Qhnegr%20We.&amp;xsIERvdWdsY=A4716H&amp;MgTUQtODMgKE=Havgrq%20188%20urnil%20vf%20fubja%20bire%20gur%20guerfubyq%20bs%20ehajnl%2027.%20Ebhgvat%20UAY-YNK-FNA.%20Jvyy%20erghea%20gb%20UAY%20ivn%20YNK.&amp;YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=363&amp;NEb25uZWxs=2004-05-03%2000%3A00%3A00&amp;ODJ9dvCE=&amp;O89Dcjdg=19877%2F99&amp;static=yes&amp;sok=JURER%20%20%28ert%20%3D%20%27A4716H%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&amp;photo_nr=1&amp;prev_id=&amp;next_id=468265&quot;&gt;in service&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:30:22 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mayor Curley</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: soyjoy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891834</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;Mayor Curley, for your first comment above I think you meant: 

&quot;UM, was it just Mayor Curley, or did anyone else think...?&quot;

Please adjust your settings for future posts.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:32:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Staggering Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891838</link>	
		<description>Nice post.  Has anyone ever taken a tour of one these boneyards?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:33:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cmyk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891843</link>	
		<description>This looks like my ultimate playground.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:36:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 327.ca</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891847</link>	
		<description>Nice stuff.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:37:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: songfta</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891850</link>	
		<description>There are also some great boneyard shots at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airliners.net/&quot;&gt;Airliners.net&lt;/a&gt;, where you can look up the planes by reg number and see them in their glory days.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:41:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Kenneth Fisher</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891851</link>	
		<description>As a big airplane buff, I find this both fascinating and cool, and yet somehow depressing.

Just think of how many people have flown on these. Some excited, some terrified, people returning to their loved ones, leaving home to strike it out, coming back for a funeral, a wedding, whatever.

Okay, now I&apos;m going loopy.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:41:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pliskie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891853</link>	
		<description>Reminds me of the place I so longed to visit as a child...the military equivalent, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dm.af.mil/amarc/index.html&quot;&gt;Davis-Monthan AFB&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:43:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mk1gti</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891861</link>	
		<description>I think of all the historic planes out there that are just wasting away.  Seems like a fair amount of them could be restored for display.
  It&apos;s a shame, really.  Take the Constellation in one of the last photos, beautiful plane, just beautiful.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:46:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bz</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891865</link>	
		<description>When I was a kid (late 70&apos;s) I went with a group of folks to a boneyard near Tucson, AZ where they were able to buy, for about $8,000, a Convair A29 that had been &quot;pickled&quot; for storage years before.

After a few days of work, they secured a ferry permit and flew it to Arlington, WA where, over the course of a few months, they restored it sufficiently to use for transporting fish in Alaska.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:49:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DieHipsterDie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891947</link>	
		<description>Very sad.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:32:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vaska</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891961</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s unfortunate that they don&apos;t offer these for sale. Now, a plane that&apos;s been baking in the desert for decades is close to useless, but after grabbing a dozen it seems possible to cobble together a full working vehicle. It&apos;s like looking at a lot of classic cars and seeing them just rot away.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:37:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Juicylicious</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891965</link>	
		<description>I was stationed at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dm.af.mil/amarc/history.html&quot;&gt;D-M&lt;/a&gt; for two years in the &apos;80s.  I was one of the LE troops that guarded the graveyard.  At the time it was the third largest air force in the world.  Twenty percent of the aircraft were maintained to be in service within a twelve hour notice.  We had at least one of every type of aircraft that the military has ever used, including civilian passenger aircraft used for troop movement during Vietnam.

Although I was in the Air Force, aircraft were never my thing.  But even I couldn&apos;t help being amazed at what lay before me every time I went out there.  I have lots of great pics of us walking on the planes, laying on the wings, and sitting in the cockpits.  

Because the perimeter was virtually impossible to patrol 24/7 we had a lot of vagrants living in the aircraft.  Sometimes they would leave the stairs down and coyotes would take up residence.  I vividly remember the time that we got Air Force 2.  It sat on a tarmac for a few days waiting to be mothballed.  The aircraft was still stocked as if VP Bush was going to board it at any moment.  Everything had the presidential seal.  I so badly wanted to take an ashtray, but my conscious won out and I left it for someone else.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:39:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Relay</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891968</link>	
		<description>My parents retired to Southern Arizona, just south of Tucson, where both  Davis-Monthan AFB and the Pima Air Museum is located.

In many ways, the PAM is better than the Smithsonian.

Sure, sure, it doesn&apos;t have stuff like Glamorous Glennis, but it does have stuff like the sole surviving F-107. And they&apos;re (mostly) kept outside in the dry desert air.

They get the pick of what comes though Davis-Monthan.

If you&apos;re ever in the area, I can highly recommend it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:40:25 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Relay</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jeffbarr</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891973</link>	
		<description>Well, you could turn one in to a home, like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airplanehome.com/&quot;&gt;this guy&lt;/a&gt; did, or you could hire &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.airplanehomes.com/&quot;&gt;these folks&lt;/a&gt; to do it for you.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:41:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: breezeway</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891981</link>	
		<description>Relay, have you seen the Smithsonian&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nasm.si.edu/museum/udvarhazy/&quot; title=&quot;Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center&quot;&gt;Udvar-Hazy&lt;/a&gt; Center at Dulles, VA?  It&apos;s a nice &lt;a href=&quot;http://home.istar.ca/~khiebert/udvarhazy/udvarhazy.html&quot; title=&quot;Kevin at the Dulles Air and Space Museum&quot;&gt;addition&lt;/a&gt; to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nasm.si.edu/&quot; title=&quot;Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum&quot;&gt;collection&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:47:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BlackLeotardFront</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#891982</link>	
		<description>Cool pictures - I&apos;d love to get my camera in there and take a few shots, though it looks like a sort of rusty nail paradise.  I think there&apos;s one of these things on the way to mammoth from LA.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:48:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>BlackLeotardFront</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: potuncle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#892039</link>	
		<description>Anybody know what&apos;s in the nose or &quot;snout&quot; of a plane that makes it so valuable?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:20:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mnology</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#892062</link>	
		<description>Radar</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:30:46 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mnology</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: JeffK</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#892065</link>	
		<description>Hey Juicylicious, I&apos;ll bet you chased me out of that graveyard on more than one occasion. I had a friend who lived very near the graveyard and we used to &quot;salvage&quot; parts late at night. One of my friends still has a pilot&apos;s seat in his den.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:32:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gunthersghost</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#892070</link>	
		<description>Reminds me of the documentary called&lt;a href=&quot;http://imdb.com/title/tt0275408/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9b258ZmI9dXxwbj0wfHE9aG9tZSBtb3ZpZXxodG1sPTF8bm09b24_;fc=1;ft=20;fm=1&quot;&gt;Home Movie.&lt;/a&gt; Also, didn&apos;t they film &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/conair.php&quot;&gt;Con Air&lt;/a&gt; in one of these? What a good movie to drink your self unconscious to.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:34:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mnology</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#892071</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://home.wanadoo.nl/designers/models32/tornado/torradar.jpg&quot;&gt;Radar in tact.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:35:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mnology</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: DrJohnEvans</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#892235</link>	
		<description>Beautiful.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:51:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 27</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#892466</link>	
		<description>Great post, Breezeway. I live in Arizona, and was recently bitching to nobody in particular that I haven&apos;t taken any cool day trips in a while.

Problem solved. Thanks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:08:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/40832/Derelicts-vs-Cannibals#893654</link>	
		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/mythbusters.html&quot;&gt;mythbusters &lt;/a&gt;did a show at this place recently, where they tested the idea that a bullet fired from inside a plane will cause explosive decompression just like it does in the movies.  Cool place.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:48:03 -0800</pubDate>
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