Comments on: With suggestions for dealing with him now and after Germany's surrender.

With suggestions for dealing with him now and after Germany's surrender.

grapefruitmoon — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:56:19 -0800

Analysis of the Personality of Adolf Hitler by Cornell University in 1943 has been released online. The analysis was comissioned by the predecessor to the CIA and declassified several years ago, according to The New York Times. This official analysis should be of interest to those who have been doing amateur analyses for years.

By: xammerboy

xammerboy — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:23:51 -0800

Well written and eye-opening. Thanks.

By: Cyrano

Cyrano — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:43:16 -0800

I'd heard about this. I can't wait to go through it. Excellent post.

By: orange swan

orange swan — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:54:56 -0800

declassified several years ago Why did they wait so long to declassify it?

By: Cyrano

Cyrano — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:09:10 -0800

orange swan: From what I picked up in this rather long explanation of classification, oftentimes stuff stays classified just because there's not always a mechanism in place to tell people 25 years down the road, "OK, you can declassify this now."

By: selfmedicating

selfmedicating — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:18:06 -0800

Wow. I am especially struck by their recommendations on how to rehabilitate Germany after the Allies win: focus on the glories of old Germany; get Germans to understand themselves as basically good people who succumbed to the emotional lies and lure of fascism. That's pretty much exactly how I view Germany -- this view had always seemed so obvious and right, that it has never occured to me that it's a construction. But it's certainly not how I view every nation that the US has defeated in a war.

By: orange swan

orange swan — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:25:16 -0800

Thanks, Cyrano. That makes perfect sense - ancient classified materials exist for much the same reason as those Toronto by-laws that you can't drag a dead horse down Yonge Street during business hours.

By: breezeway

breezeway — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:43:02 -0800

Do I really get to be the first here to invoke Godwin?

By: longbaugh

longbaugh — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:59:09 -0800

As long as I get to be the first to point out that Godwin's Law doesn't mean mentioning anything to do with Nazism but is simply the likelihood that any argument in an online forum will likely result in one individual labelling another as a fascist akin to Mr Hitler. And it's almost as dull me pointing this out as it is people misusing the law. /derail over. On topic - when do we get to read about Stalin et al?

By: matteo

matteo — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:32:29 -0800

great post, thanks

By: barjo

barjo — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:05:08 -0800

According to Dr. Murray, the characteristics of this personality type include: holding grudges, low tolerance for criticism, excessive demands for attention, inability to express gratitude, a tendency to belittle, bully, and blame others, revenge, persistence in the face of defeat, self-will, self-trust, inability to take a joke, and compulsive criminality. It would definitely be Godwin to say that this all reminds me of a well-known public figure, so I'm not going to.

By: mike3k

mike3k — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:32:01 -0800

Re: holding grudges, low tolerance for criticism, excessive demands for attention, inability to express gratitude, a tendency to belittle, bully, and blame others, revenge, persistence in the face of defeat, self-will, self-trust, inability to take a joke, and compulsive criminality. I wonder what current world leader that sounds like :)

By: grapefruitmoon

grapefruitmoon — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:45:11 -0800

Call me crazy, but I think that starting a World War and systematically murdering a specific population of people is in a different league from any of the current world leaders. That's not to say that today's world leaders aren't also possibly insane, but on the whole, do not hold a candle to Hitler. Or Mussoulini. Or Stalin. Etc. Nothing to do with the rest of my comment, but I do think that Eddie Izzard said it best : Stalin killed 20 million people, died in his bed. Well done. Hitler killed people next door. Stupid man. After a few years, we won't stand for that!

By: Specklet

Specklet — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:09:03 -0800

Call me crazy, but I think that starting a World War and systematically murdering a specific population of people is in a different league from any of the current world leaders. That goes without saying. However, I think what barjo and mike3k were getting at is that his personality (not his actions) reminds them of... somebody.

By: TwelveTwo

TwelveTwo — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:10:12 -0800

I still think Stalin was worse.

By: matteo

matteo — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:04:08 -0800

is in a different league from any of the current world leaders. as of now, yes. ;)

By: thehippe

thehippe — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:23:09 -0800

Has there been a thread about The Downfall? (There probably was.) The film triggered yet another big Hitler Discussion in Germany. I don't know how to feel about such a personalized reading of history. Unfortunately its was not one evil man who led the Germans into fascism. It was the Germans.

By: grapefruitmoon

grapefruitmoon — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:51:06 -0800

Thread on The Downfall here. Yeah, I start threads about Hitler. It's what I do.

By: grapefruitmoon

grapefruitmoon — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:53:40 -0800

Also... Unfortunately its was not one evil man who led the Germans into fascism. It was the Germans. Yeah, but having an evil man to follow helped. You can't have a fascist society without someone to lead it.

By: thehippe

thehippe — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:56:39 -0800

Yes- but whoever becomes the leader seems pretty random to me- all kinds of other things at work. In Germany: poverty, Chaos in the twenties and thirties, WWI and its atrocities, the strange German love of authority, long history of anti-semitism, elite such as intellectuals or the nobility failing to take a stand and on and on. I think its a shame that people give the slobbering idiot Hitler so much attention.

By: lazaruslong

lazaruslong — Fri, 01 Apr 2005 05:18:11 -0800

There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. In addition, whoever points out that Godwin's law applies to the thread is also considered to have "lost" the battle, as it is considered poor form to invoke the law explicitly. Yes, breezeway, you do. Thanks for that. No, really. It's just so fresh. /familyguyandsickofgodwinslaw