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	<title>Comments on: Sue de Beer</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:00:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Sue de Beer</title>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitney.org/information/press/170.html&quot; title=&quot;A press release and description of de Beer&apos;s current installation&quot;&gt;From March 3&#8212;June 17, 2005, the Whitney Museum of American Art presents Sue de Beer: &lt;em&gt;Black Sun&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;em&gt;Black Sun&lt;/em&gt;, a new two-channel video installation viewed within a large-scale wooden house environment, furthers de Beer&apos;s exploration of the construction of feminine desire and unfulfilled longing.&quot; + &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://insearch.typepad.com/notes/2004/03/short_feature_o.html&quot; title=&quot;A short feature on de Beer for Issue Magazine&quot;&gt;Sue de Beer&apos;s art is a mature reflection&lt;/a&gt; on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sevenseven.com/debeer/images.html&quot; title=&quot;The most explicit index of de Beer&apos;s work available on the web&quot;&gt;complex interior lives of disaffected suburban American teenagers&lt;/a&gt;. Her &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thirteen.org/reelnewyork3/sc-making.html&quot; title=&quot;Quicktime movie of &apos;Making Out with Myself&apos;&quot;&gt;video installations&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artphoto.ro/gallery/p/0_sue_de_beer.html&quot; title=&quot;A small gallery of well-known images by de Beer&quot;&gt;photographs&lt;/a&gt;, and sculptures are littered with references to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.postmastersart.com/archive/debeer.html&quot; title=&quot;An article on &apos;Hans and Grete&apos;, de Beer&apos;s installation on violence and youth, influenced by the Columbine shootings&quot;&gt;pop culture detritus&lt;/a&gt; central to our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thirteen.org/reelnewyork3/interview-debeer.html&quot; title=&quot;A brief interview with de Beer on her video piece entitled &apos;Making Out with Myself&apos;&quot;&gt;adolescent search for identity&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; + &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://artscenecal.com/ArticlesFile/Archive/Articles2001/Articles0601/CR0601.html&quot; title=&quot;A blurb, plus one of de Beer&apos;s most famous images&quot;&gt;By using the computer and constructing sets to contain the action&lt;/a&gt;, de Beer&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.contemporaryartproject.com/cap/content/collection/artist_beer.htm&quot; title=&quot;Two favourite, but unnerving works&quot;&gt;enigmatic&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://anp.thing.net/projects/images/gttx-de-beer.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Another bloody one&quot;&gt;images&lt;/a&gt; make any fiction appear as reality.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2005 06:13:00 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jenleigh</dc:creator>		<category>art</category>
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		<title>By: misteraitch</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/41012/Sue-de-Beer#898472</link>	
		<description>Related: Julia Kristeva&apos;s book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0231067070/102-2249720-1676146?v=glance&quot; title=&quot;Julia Kristeva&apos;s &apos;Black Sun.&apos;&quot;&gt;Black Sun&lt;/a&gt;. Distantly related: Nerval&apos;s &apos;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.glaced.digitalspace.net/cgi-bin/nerval/eldesdi.html&quot; title=&quot;Nerval&apos;s &apos;El Desdichado&apos; in English translation.&quot;&gt;Black&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://franceweb.fr/poesie/nerval3.htm&quot; title=&quot;...and in the original French.&quot;&gt;Sun&lt;/a&gt; of Melancholia.&apos; Not really related: Mandelshtam&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.languagehat.com/archives/000570.php&quot; title=&quot;The image of the black sun in Mandelsham&apos;s poetry as discussed chez languagehat.&quot;&gt;Black&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldebooklibrary.com/eBooks/TonyKline_Collection/Html/Mandelstam.htm#_Toc485874621&quot; title=&quot;Mandelshtam&apos;s &apos;This night is irredeemable&apos; in English translation.&quot;&gt;Sun&lt;/a&gt;; Harry Crosby&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sc.edu/library/spcoll/amlit/paris/crosby.html&quot; title=&quot;Page about Harry Crosby and The Black Sun/Editions Narcisse.&quot;&gt;Black Sun&lt;/a&gt; Press; the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.levity.com/alchemy/terrastr.html&quot; title=&quot;Edward Kelly&apos;s &apos;The Theatre of Terrestrial Astronomy: search text for &apos;black sun,&apos; or look for the 10th image.&quot;&gt;Black Sun&lt;/a&gt; in alchemy; the &lt;a href=&quot;http://aol.bartleby.com/108/66/6.html#12&quot; title=&quot;Revelation 6/12.&quot;&gt;Black Sun&lt;/a&gt; in the bible.</description>
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		<title>By: planetkyoto</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/41012/Sue-de-Beer#898488</link>	
		<description>I didn&apos;t see any images of the actual exhibition  in those links, but on another page of the sevenseven.com site are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sevenseven.com/debeer/blacksun/setshoot.html&quot;&gt;these photos&lt;/a&gt;. It&apos;s certainly OK for an artist to be controversial, but I wonder if she isn&apos;t working in the medium of controversy and courting hype.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:12:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: NinjaPirate</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/41012/Sue-de-Beer#898516</link>	
		<description>I love the fabulously crap cutout style on the sevenseven pages!

Unfortunately, the rest leaves me unmoved.
But cut-out dog pictures on the web!  I mean, like, 1970!
Woo!!</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:36:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dhoyt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/41012/Sue-de-Beer#898522</link>	
		<description>Great links; I&apos;d heard de Beer mentioned by a friend who described her as a Matthew Barney disciple, but promptly forgot her name. The sevenseven site is a decent index, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=mozclient&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;q=%22sue+de+beer%22&quot;&gt;a GIS&lt;/a&gt; yields a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.exibart.com/foto/37145.jpg&quot;&gt;few more&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/features/saltz/Images/saltz9-9-6.jpg&quot;&gt;great&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.inliquid.com/features/whitney/graphics/whitney.jpg&quot;&gt;images&lt;/a&gt;. Smell that teenage angst.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:43:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: scheptech</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/41012/Sue-de-Beer#898547</link>	
		<description>I can&apos;t make much sense out this material. What is being said?

&lt;em&gt;complex interior lives of disaffected suburban American teenagers&lt;/em&gt;

Ok fine, but what about it? Why was this material created?

Lots of pictures, some good, of complex teenagers...

As an aside, I didn&apos;t spot any minority people in there, are all disaffected suburban American teenagers with complex interior lives caucasian?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2005 08:06:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mercaptan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/41012/Sue-de-Beer#898774</link>	
		<description>I saw &quot;Hans und Grete&quot; at the Whitney. As one of the article mentioned, it&apos;s a two screen display in a room decorated like a suburban teenager&apos;s with shag carpeting and big big stuffed animals for the audience to sit on. You sit and watch these filmed going-ons, and it&apos;s oddly compelling. The story isn&apos;t anything like a typical narrative, but rather the rambling, boring, and often surreal life of a cocooned suburban teenager.

de Beer captured the feeling of growing up in sheetrock palaces designed to foster rising property values, rather than human life, and a culture of material excess. I grew up in just such a place, and I&apos;m willing to bet a lot of MeFi&apos;ers did too. That she so heavily appropriated video game music and images is brilliant because Nintendo, Sega, and Sony were and still are the gods of the suburban living room. My friends played it endlessly and it sometimes seemed like they didn&apos;t have (or couldn&apos;t think of) many other good uses for their time. It was an odd environment to grow up in.

As for scheptech&apos;s comment about disaffected suburban youth being all Caucasian, I&apos;ll throw my theory out there. I think there&apos;s some ingrained (genetic or social in origin) need for cultural identity in most people. I&apos;m Taiwanese-american and thus come with a full set of weird customs, exotic cuisine, languages, religious practices, and superstitions, which, while I don&apos;t practice all of these, are still an integral part of my identity. The New Year&apos;s nearest to my heart doesn&apos;t fall on January 1. I think that suburban teenagers, and white suburban kids in particular, grow up in a very culturally bland environment. If all of my holidays were commercially exploited, I&apos;d seek something more genuine as well. In a way this links back to the FPP about how teenagers view religion, with a very distant God and a lot of emphasis on being a good consumer. And I saw a lot of this in the homes of my white friends, where the past and old traditions seemed almost nonexistent, leaving nothing for these kids to carry on. When groups of suburban teenagers adopt the ways of goths, punks, hip-hop, etc. they are in fact creating their own culture to fill their need for identity.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:59:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dhoyt</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/41012/Sue-de-Beer#898806</link>	
		<description>^Post flagged for: &quot;Fantastic post/comment&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:23:27 -0800</pubDate>
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