Did the INS import votes?
November 11, 2000 8:05 AM Subscribe
I'd be reluctant to link or mention anything World Net Daily writes or posts.
Like most of the articles, this one is a self-referential document in which the key supporting data is provided by an un-named source, in which all quoted sources have pre-existing biases against Clinton, Gore, Democrats and the left in general. This is an article in which there is no supporting documentation outside of World Net Daily: no links, no references, no bibliography, no mainstream media articles, no quotes from administration sources even denying the charge, no mention of attempts to interview outside sources, no quotes from the immigrants themselves, no quotes, in fact, from anyone outside of the WND crowd, which includes Judicial Watch, itself a right-wing organization.
In fact, this article looks mainly like an attempt to plug Schipper's book.
posted by Mo Nickels at 8:42 AM on November 11, 2000
Like most of the articles, this one is a self-referential document in which the key supporting data is provided by an un-named source, in which all quoted sources have pre-existing biases against Clinton, Gore, Democrats and the left in general. This is an article in which there is no supporting documentation outside of World Net Daily: no links, no references, no bibliography, no mainstream media articles, no quotes from administration sources even denying the charge, no mention of attempts to interview outside sources, no quotes from the immigrants themselves, no quotes, in fact, from anyone outside of the WND crowd, which includes Judicial Watch, itself a right-wing organization.
In fact, this article looks mainly like an attempt to plug Schipper's book.
posted by Mo Nickels at 8:42 AM on November 11, 2000
I don't buy it. Sounds like just questionable accusations used to make the democrats look bad. Felons wouldn't vote illegally. In order to vote (at least every time I've done it) you have to show proof of identification, and you have to sign your name, proving you were there.
1) If a felon's right to vote is revoked, he'd be taken off the registration list and wouldn't have any place TO vote.
2) Even if they forgot to take him off the list, he'd have to show his voter registration card or other I.D., then leave his John Hancock. Does this sound like something a guy on probation would want to bother with?
The whole thing sounds illogical. However, some people will just hear it, think on the surface it sounds plausible, and further instill inside a hatred for democrats without really understanding why. Just like the whole idea of being innocent until proven guilty in the courts is absurd when the media tries and convicts the person anyway. The stigma remains with you whether you were really guilty or not.
Language is a Virus.
posted by ZachsMind at 8:46 AM on November 11, 2000
1) If a felon's right to vote is revoked, he'd be taken off the registration list and wouldn't have any place TO vote.
2) Even if they forgot to take him off the list, he'd have to show his voter registration card or other I.D., then leave his John Hancock. Does this sound like something a guy on probation would want to bother with?
The whole thing sounds illogical. However, some people will just hear it, think on the surface it sounds plausible, and further instill inside a hatred for democrats without really understanding why. Just like the whole idea of being innocent until proven guilty in the courts is absurd when the media tries and convicts the person anyway. The stigma remains with you whether you were really guilty or not.
Language is a Virus.
posted by ZachsMind at 8:46 AM on November 11, 2000
Zach: Wisconsin has made enormous effort to make it easy to register the same day as you vote. This is wonderfully convenient, but it's also prone to massive fraud. Yes, you have to show ID (or at least you're supposed to, and there have been some situations where they haven't required even that) and sign your name, but with the 2.5 Million voters that turned out on Tuesday, it's impossible to screen.
This isn't something I'm just making up. This is something the Wisconsin Attorney General is investigating, right now. (No, the article doesn't cite the NAACP incident specifically, but I heard Wis. State Rep. Scott Walker discuss this on a local talk radio show.)
Gore won Wisconsin by a margin of only 6,000 votes. Who knows how much closer the margin would have been, were it not for the NAACP rally and the cigarettes-for-votes scandal.
posted by dandot at 9:21 AM on November 11, 2000
This isn't something I'm just making up. This is something the Wisconsin Attorney General is investigating, right now. (No, the article doesn't cite the NAACP incident specifically, but I heard Wis. State Rep. Scott Walker discuss this on a local talk radio show.)
Gore won Wisconsin by a margin of only 6,000 votes. Who knows how much closer the margin would have been, were it not for the NAACP rally and the cigarettes-for-votes scandal.
posted by dandot at 9:21 AM on November 11, 2000
I'm very troubled by the fact that it seems that many board of elections don't ask for any I.D. I don't think that voter fraud is a big problem, but a board of elections should know that you are who you say you are before allowing you to vote.
posted by Mr. skullhead at 9:57 AM on November 11, 2000
posted by Mr. skullhead at 9:57 AM on November 11, 2000
In order to vote (at least every time I've done it) you have to show proof of identification...
I also live in Milwaukee and I registered the same day as the elections. I did not need my drivers license or state i.d., only a cable bill that the woman never even looked at. I could have easily said I was someone else. I could have easily voted numerous times, too.
posted by phooey at 10:43 AM on November 11, 2000
I also live in Milwaukee and I registered the same day as the elections. I did not need my drivers license or state i.d., only a cable bill that the woman never even looked at. I could have easily said I was someone else. I could have easily voted numerous times, too.
posted by phooey at 10:43 AM on November 11, 2000
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I'm not accusing the Gore team of orchestrating this effort (although I could accuse Jackson, and he's down in Palm Beach raising hell about "illegal ballots"). I use this merely as another example that a "voting irregularity" can also work to Gore's benefit. And, unlike the confusing ballot in Palm Beach County, this type of irregularity is most certainly illegal.
posted by dandot at 8:38 AM on November 11, 2000