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	<title>Comments on: Some days you&apos;re the pigeon, other days you&apos;re the statue</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 09:31:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Some days you&apos;re the pigeon, other days you&apos;re the statue</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npausa.com/&quot;&gt;Pigeons&lt;/a&gt;.  Some people &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.roadsideamerica.com/pet/martha.html&quot;&gt;love&lt;/a&gt; them, others &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.homestead.com/championpigeons/files/PigeonPoopsOnGirl.jpg&quot;&gt;loathe&lt;/a&gt; them.  Although the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wbu.com/chipperwoods/photos/passpigeon.htm&quot;&gt;passenger pigeon &lt;/a&gt;went the way of the dodo, our rock dove friends continue to endure and prosper.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flightsoffancy.biz/the%20dove.htm&quot;&gt;First introduced &lt;/a&gt;to America&apos;s shores by french guests in 1606, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.urbanwildlifesociety.org/pigeons/WoodyAllnRatWWings.html&quot;&gt;rats with wings &lt;/a&gt;are great sources of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fbipigeons.com/famous_people_who_raced_pigeons.htm&quot;&gt;amusement&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discoverykids.ca/gross/recipes/recipesDetail.asp?id=85&quot;&gt;childish delights&lt;/a&gt;,         &lt;a href=&quot;http://zimmer.csufresno.edu/~larryc/proofs/proofs.pigeonhole.html&quot;&gt;mathematical theorem&lt;/a&gt;, and even &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/Pigeons/BRKNuns.html&quot;&gt;spiritual inspiration&lt;/a&gt;, defying all &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wbu.com/chipperwoods/photos/passpigeon.htm&quot;&gt;efforts&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://outdoors.mainetoday.com/news/040204falcon.shtml&quot;&gt;wipe&lt;/a&gt; the little poop factories out.  Plus they&apos;re &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/braisediranianstylep_9995.shtml&quot;&gt;tasty&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 09:20:28 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>DeepFriedTwinkies</dc:creator>		<category>pigeons</category>
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		<title>By: blm</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#943790</link>	
		<description>And of course a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html&quot;&gt;data&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/&quot;&gt;transfer&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ne2.com/&quot;&gt;method&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<title>By: Balisong</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#943792</link>	
		<description>Pigeons age great!! With a greamy garlic sauce and some capers.  Right up there with blackened squirel carbonara.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 09:38:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: deemer</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#943799</link>	
		<description>I like them better &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.valiantmovie.co.uk/&quot;&gt;dressed...&lt;/a&gt;  =)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 09:48:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: goatdog</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#943804</link>	
		<description>I saw some British show where this chef went back to nature and started raising his own food. He made some dish out of pigeon that had my mouth watering. I probably wouldn&apos;t eat the winged rats that live in the city, but farm-raised pigeon sure looks tasty.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 09:54:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dmd</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#943817</link>	
		<description>My SO has taken to calling them &quot;rock doves&quot; to make them seem less like the winged rats they are.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 10:25:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ackeber</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#943820</link>	
		<description>there are something like over 2,000 types of pigeons in the world, and only two exist in america.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 10:32:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pracowity</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#943823</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flightsoffancy.biz/frequently_asked_questions.htm&quot;&gt;&quot;They would become lost or fly to a nearby tree and parish in the elements.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

What a cool name for an outdoor church. (Or maybe a chapel at Dow Chemical.)

Anyway, I like hawks. Every pigeoned town should encourage hawks to nest and feast. (And for the night shift, &lt;a href=&quot;http://journeytoforever.org/at_rats_owl.html&quot;&gt;owls&lt;/a&gt;.) Besides, I hear that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/106863p-96643c.html&quot;&gt;hawks also like chihuahuas&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 10:40:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amberglow</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#943828</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barrypopik.com/article/452/sea-gulls-of-the-sink-roaches-rats-with-wings-pigeons&quot;&gt;the rats with wings thing is older&lt;/a&gt; than that ref, definitely--i grew hearing that. 
&lt;i&gt;...22 June 1966, New York Times, pg. 59:
Commissioner Hoving (Parks Commissioner Thomas P. F. Hoving &#8211; ed.) calls the pigeon &quot;a rat with wings.&quot;
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31 December 1967, New York Times, pg. 190:
To discourage pigeons, recently defined as rats with wings, I scatter millet and cracked corn for juncos and other sparrows in the heart of brush pile which is kept for this purpose. ...&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 10:42:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TimothyMason</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#943842</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://members.aol.com/quentncree/lehrer/pigeons.htm&quot;&gt;Tom Lehrer don&apos;t like them much.&lt;/a&gt; William Burroughs &lt;a href=&quot;http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/modlang/carasi/thanksgivingprayer.htm&quot;&gt;had a soft spot for the passenger.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 11:11:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: davidmsc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#943848</link>	
		<description>The very word &quot;pigeon&quot; is usually sufficient to elicit a giggle from me; they are very whimsical creatures.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 11:22:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TimothyMason</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#943911</link>	
		<description>Oh, and BTW, did you know that the starling is a pigeon (OED). Which means that Clarice - who eats squab, she tells us - is a cannibal. No wonder she went over to the dark side.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 12:44:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Zarkonnen</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#943959</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canceledflight.com/&quot;&gt;Pigeon extermination made fashionable in a slightly disturbing coffee-table book.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 13:51:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gsh</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#944014</link>	
		<description>From a purely amateur ornithology view, watching the feather colors and patterns of the pigeons at my el stop change over the past 6 years has been fascinating. What began as a group of fairly standard dark grey with green/purple breast birds has changed to several dalmation varieties, browns, cremes and foggy greys. They are really quite lovely.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 15:13:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nicwolff</title>
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		<description>My friend Jon had this letter published in New York Magazine a couple of weeks ago (click it for full-size):

&lt;i&gt;As a property manager, I&apos;ve seen brick walls permanently defaced by pigeons&apos; foul emissions, sections of steel on bridges eviscerated by the acid in their droppings. I would sooner breed and domesticate Norwegian rats than give even one bread crumb to a pigeon. Normal people don&apos;t feed pigeons. Those who feed these pests are disturbed. In no other facet of our society are people allowed so openly to create a public health menace under the guise of compassion. Why these select few outcasts choose to perpetuate the flying filth we know as the urban pigeon is anyone&apos;s guess. Perhaps a pigeon never craps on the hand that feeds it.
&#8212;Jonathan L. Posner, Manhattan&lt;/i&gt;

and got this excellent letter in response:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://angel.net/~nic/mefi/jon_pigeon_letter.jpg&quot; border=&quot;0&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://angel.net/~nic/mefi/jon_pigeon_letter.small.gif&quot; width=&quot;465&quot; height=&quot;640&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 15:36:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: peacay</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42368/Some-days-youre-the-pigeon-other-days-youre-the-statue#944339</link>	
		<description>That&apos;s classic nicwolff. Heh.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 01:51:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mdn</title>
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		<description>that&apos;s a beaut, nic.  Though I quite like the rock doves myself.  (but then, I&apos;m not a property manager.)

anyone know if the pigeons on the street in NY and London are different?  The Londoners seem to have longer, slightly curved beaks and  possibly be a little larger.  The parks in london are so full of birds of all sorts, though, whereas in most of NYC you just get pigeons &amp;amp; sparrows (yes, there are plenty of birds if you know where to look, yadda yadda, but in London it seems impossible to avoid them).</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 03:19:55 -0800</pubDate>
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