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	<title>Comments on: Ten years of the big Z!</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 19:30:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Ten years of the big Z!</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0505g.shtml"&gt;Jeffrey Zeldman&apos;s site&lt;/a&gt; is now a decade old!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 19:26:24 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>riffola</dc:creator>		<category>zeldman</category>		<category>decade</category>		<category>website</category>		<category>web</category>		<category>internet</category>		<category>cool</category>
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		<title>By: riffola</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945546</link>	
		<description>On a related note &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.0sil8.com/&quot;&gt;0sil8&lt;/a&gt; is 9 years old today.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 19:30:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: quonsar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945562</link>	
		<description>*crickets*</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 19:42:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: docgonzo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945566</link>	
		<description>And thus the circle-jerk continues.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 19:45:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: riffola</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945569</link>	
		<description>Eh if you don&apos;t like it, not my problem, I feel this belongs here since it was something mentioned back in the early days of MetaFilter too.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 19:48:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mathowie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945574</link>	
		<description>I wrote him a nice note on the post, but I&apos;ll repeat the sentiment here: Zeldman was one of the only guys out there sharing what he learned online back then, and I always respected him for that. He found workaround and hacks to just about every limitation that Netscape 2, 3, and 4 (and IE 3, and 4) presented, with code examples. I learned a great deal and have always enjoyed his work.

I distinctly remember reading his nightly updates page and thinking how insane it was that every night, this guy could update info on 2 or 3 pages of his massive site. What with all the pain of hand coding, testing pages, then FTPing them one by one, it totally astounded me that some guy would go through all the trouble of updating on a daily basis, while the most I could muster was once a month or two.

And now we&apos;re all blogging, posting a ton every few hours.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 19:56:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: buriednexttoyou</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945575</link>	
		<description>Mmmm, boy! Best &apos;o&apos; the web!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 19:56:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: docgonzo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945577</link>	
		<description>It &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; appropriate for MetaFilter -- but that says as much about the occasional navel-gazing of MeFi as anything else.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 20:04:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wendell</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945582</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I distinctly remember reading his nightly updates page and thinking how insane it was that every night, this guy could update info on 2 or 3 pages of his massive site... And now we&apos;re all blogging, posting a ton every few hours.&lt;/i&gt;
The only way I could ever match the output of the Z-man would be with blogging software that reads my brainwaves and translates it into coherant English.

&lt;i&gt; And thus the circle-jerk continues.&lt;/i&gt;
It&apos;s the Circle of Life, doctorgoodwretch. I&apos;m just glad I&apos;m not buried next to a newbie. And you might try cleaning your navel occasionally...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 20:07:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: keswick</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945599</link>	
		<description>He&apos;s just now hitting ten years? What a n00b.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 20:26:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: docgonzo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945632</link>	
		<description>Like what, Wendell? Writing eyeglazers on &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7817702/&quot;&gt;Everybody loves Raymond&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 20:52:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dobbs</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945657</link>	
		<description>I haven&apos;t been to his site in a long time but I appreciated his knowledge back in the day. The first blog I had was in 1995/6 and it used some of Zeldman&apos;s free icons. I remember there was a tiny skull, and Betty Page, and Brando... (I sucked at making my own so really appreciated him offering them up for free.) The site won a few awards and one of the prizes was a &lt;a href=&quot;http://softride.com/imageviewer.asp?p=16&quot;&gt;Softride mountain bike&lt;/a&gt;. I was thrilled. I wrote Jeffrey to thank him and he wrote back right away with a &quot;Congrats&quot; letter. Seems &lt;i&gt;a lot&lt;/i&gt; longer ago than a decade ago.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 21:17:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cedar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945687</link>	
		<description>dobbs, it&apos;s not just &quot;back in the day.&quot;

JZ was instrumental in founding the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webstandards.org/&quot;&gt;Web Standards Project&lt;/a&gt;. That wasn&apos;t all that long ago and their work has been, at least partially, responsible for the way sites are being built today. You think it was easy to get rid of tables?

Accessibility, validation and compliance were little more than buzzwords five years ago... now they are standards. The result is that the sites we depend on, more and more everyday, work better in more environments than ever before.

docgonzo, it&apos;s not a &quot;circle-jerk&quot;. It&apos;s giving props to one of the people who made the sites you read every day possible.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 21:45:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dobbs</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945691</link>	
		<description>I was using &quot;back in the day&quot; to mean when I visited his site, not when he was (most) useful. I&apos;m aware of his more recent accomplishments and, yes, they&apos;re nothing to sneeze at.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 21:51:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 27</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945692</link>	
		<description>Respect.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 21:51:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: cedar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945703</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s also worth mentioning that he is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/user/716&quot;&gt;one of us&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 22:03:17 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>cedar</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: puke &amp; cry</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945710</link>	
		<description>nothing but love for zeldman. he helped me get started in web design, at the age of 15 i suppose.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 22:07:32 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>puke &amp; cry</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: buriednexttoyou</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945722</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;I&apos;m just glad I&apos;m not buried next to a newbie.&lt;/em&gt;

Hey, Zeldman&apos;s great, I love my copy of &quot;Designing with Web Standards,&quot; but this post could have used a little more meat. Celebrating ten years deserves more than one link.

I would love to see that Batman Forever site...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 22:20:20 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>buriednexttoyou</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: bwg</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945735</link>	
		<description>Having met with Jeffrey while visiting New York, I can say he is without a doubt one of the nicest people on the planet.

Many have learned a ton from his efforts and as his site is 10 years old he deserves all accolades which come his way.

Zeldman is a class act.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 23:06:26 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>bwg</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Katemonkey</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945791</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;I would love to see that Batman Forever site...&lt;/em&gt;

Well, there&apos;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19971224190000/http://batmanforever.com/&quot;&gt;1997 version&lt;/a&gt;...</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 01:57:34 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Katemonkey</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: sciurus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945832</link>	
		<description>Damn, that is a long time to be online. Testament.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 04:50:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: alumshubby</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#945991</link>	
		<description>The FPP made me realize I&apos;ve been Web surfing for &lt;i&gt;eleven years&lt;/i&gt; now.  That&apos;s longer than my son has been alive.  Probably pretty banal to the rest of you, but I&apos;m still surprised at how new the Web seems even after all this time.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:37:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: whatnot</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42432/Ten-years-of-the-big-Z#946014</link>	
		<description>we named our &apos;72 orange beetle after him.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:56:54 -0800</pubDate>
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