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	<title>Comments on: Go problems on the Web</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:10:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Go problems on the Web</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://goproblems.com"&gt;Go problems&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goproblems.com/problems.php3&quot; title=&apos;Main link is to main page for politeness, but the problem search there needs some sql help. this is the full (and working) search interface, also avail by hitting &quot;problems&quot; their navbar.&apos;&gt;database&lt;/a&gt; with a slick web &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goproblems.com/prob.php3?id=4956&amp;psetid=1101376&quot; title=&quot;Link is to applet and example problem, be advised. You may prefer a real client, but this is fun for coffee breaks...&quot;&gt;interface&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go&quot; title=&quot;Obligatory Wikipedia link&quot;&gt;Go&lt;/a&gt; is one of the most &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kiseido.com/yyy.htm&quot; title=&quot;&quot;Monks who have a talent for it play go with women and become their lovers.&quot; -- yamaoka genrin, edo-period essayist ..... &quot;go is to western chess what philosophy is to double entry accounting.&quot; -- from shibumi, bestseller by trevanian&quot;&gt;rewarding&lt;/a&gt; games I&apos;ve ever played. You can play games at &lt;a href=&quot;http://ItsYourTurn.com&quot; title=&quot;As well as other games...for the record Chess is OK too:)&quot;&gt;ItsYourTurn.com&lt;/a&gt;, who also have a nice rule &lt;a href=&quot;http://itsyourturn.com/t_helptopic2120.html&quot; title=&apos;While i like to summarize the rules with a few axioms, because i love how much of the game is simply implied, they strike a nice balance between succinctness and clarity.&apos;&gt;summary&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:05:08 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>freebird</dc:creator>		<category>go</category>		<category>games</category>		<category>web</category>		<category>coffeebreak</category>		<category>fun</category>		<category>philosophy</category>		<category>puzzles</category>
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		<title>By: soplerfo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946113</link>	
		<description>nice - I love Go  - wish I played more often</description>
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		<title>By: redbeard</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946141</link>	
		<description>Nice!  I would also recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dragongoserver.net/&quot;&gt;Dragon Go Server&lt;/a&gt; where I play all the time (as jearbear) and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.littlegolem.net&quot;&gt;little golem&lt;/a&gt; for turn based games.  If you want a realtime game over the net, try &lt;a href=&quot;http://kgs.kiseido.com/en_US/index.xhtml&quot;&gt;the Kiseido Go Server&lt;/a&gt; (my fav), &lt;a href=&quot;http://games.yahoo.com&quot;&gt;Yahoo Games&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pandanet.co.jp/English/&quot;&gt;The Internet Go Server&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://nngs.cosmic.org/&quot;&gt;the no name go server&lt;/a&gt;.  The latter two (and maybe kgs now - I haven&apos;t tried it in sometime) can be accessed via OSX using &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sente.ch/software/goban/&quot;&gt;Goban&lt;/a&gt;, which also provides single player play using the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnu.org/software/gnugo/gnugo.html&quot;&gt;GnuGo&lt;/a&gt; (tons of links to clients for all platforms) engine.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:29:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Inkoate</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946142</link>	
		<description>You created a Go FPP without including a link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://senseis.xmp.net/&quot;&gt;Sensei&apos;s Library&lt;/a&gt;?  How dare you!

I too love Go, and play in the park on nice days with my friend.  The looks that the board gets are priceless.  Anyone interested in Go should check out the problems mentioned in the FPP and the learning that goes on at Sensei&apos;s Library.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:31:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: freebird</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946145</link>	
		<description>Yah, I never play as much as I&apos;d like. It&apos;s actually been some years since I played a real game, I dug these links up trying to get back to playing. 

Let&apos;s make a metafilter Go clique! Shoot me an email or post site/usernames here if you&apos;d like to play an occasional online game.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:32:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: freebird</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946152</link>	
		<description>Nice link Inkoate! I was focusing mostly on web-based game/problem interfaces, which I&apos;m not seeing in Sensei&apos;s Library, but it looks like a rich resource indeed.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:36:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: precipice</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946166</link>	
		<description>goproblems.com is great fun -- thanks for the link.  I second redbeard&apos;s recommendation of Goban -- it&apos;s a fantastic client.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:48:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wolfdog</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946227</link>	
		<description>Playing online is just so unsatisfying compared to holding the stones and clicking them down.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:59:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: argybarg</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946255</link>	
		<description>For those who don&apos;t know what makes go so profound and deeply enjoyable, here are a couple of thoughts:

-- A game of go will show you how you think. The pattern of stones on the board shows you, at a glance, how the thought patterns of two people -- their weaknesses, their moments of grace, what scares them.

-- The game is very, very simple. Aside from a couple of obscure rules and scoring points, you can learn how to play in about 10 minutes. Yet no computer on earth has come within even sniffing distance of professional level, let alone playing the top players more than feebly.

-- Playing well requires a kind of studied intuition. Sometimes (as with go problems) you need to sit and crunch out permutations, but otherwise you need emotional control, boldness, an aesthetic sense, intense concentration, pattern recognition, flexibility of mind and a sense of calm through it all. Since playing go well demands all of those qualities, playing go cultivates those qualities.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:37:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: delmoi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946290</link>	
		<description>Internet games definetly have a diffrent intensity.  It&apos;s much easier to &quot;pick up&quot; the stones so you&apos;re more likely to try to take &apos;em off the board.  IRL I think you&apos;re more likely to just leave them there when you&apos;re convinced they are dead, and you can end up getting bitten in the ass by it....</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:17:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: futureproof</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946314</link>	
		<description>The first time I played Go was about ten years ago with a German traveller. He had a fairly basic travel kit. We played about four or five games until my first win. I remember how frusturating it was but also how interesting it was to see a game progress. It was great fun but I&apos;ve never played again.

I&apos;ve been looking around for a good travel Go board. &lt;a href=&quot;http://ask.metafilter.com/mefi/19397&quot;&gt;AskMefi&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:35:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Specklet</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946321</link>	
		<description>Thanks for the links.  My boyfriend is currently studying game theory, and I&apos;ve got some catching up to do if I&apos;m ever to give him a run for his money playing Go...</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:41:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: NemesisVex</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946324</link>	
		<description>I remember the &lt;a href=&quot;http://playgo.to/interactive/&quot;&gt;Interactive Way to Go&lt;/a&gt; being mentioned &lt;a href=http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/29682#587359&quot; &quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:44:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Prospero</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946398</link>	
		<description>I play on the Dragon Go Server (around 24-25 kyu, depending on the weather)--send me an invite if you want a game. My handle there is Prospero, same as here.

This &lt;a href=&quot;http://ask.metafilter.com/mefi/9113&quot;&gt;AskMe question&lt;/a&gt; that I posted when I wanted to begin learning the game yielded a lot of useful information.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:59:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jiawen</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/42445/Go-problems-on-the-Web#946734</link>	
		<description>I used to be much more interested in Weiqi (aka Go) than I am now. I lived in Taiwan for eight years, and towards the beginning, I lived a short walk away from a Weiqi-playing hangout. I tried to play a couple times, but everyone there just wanted free English lessons from me. They also smoked and chewed betel nut far too much for my tastes.

The thing that really got me, though, is that, for every board situation I could come up with, they had a perfect answer. &quot;Clearly, you have to go here, because if you don&apos;t...&quot; [Insert quick demonstration on the board showing every way I couldn&apos;t possibly play.] I got the impression that it was much less about strategy and intuition and figuring things out than it was about memorizing a bunch of standard moves. I also watched a couple Weiqi shows on TV, and they had the same flavor: &quot;Here&apos;s the Only Thing To Do for every possible situation&quot;. Rote memorization rather than actually figuring things out. 

I had a better time playing at the Temple of Earth in Beijing; they still whomped me every time, but at least they allowed me to maintain my illusion of free will.

It probably isn&apos;t really like that, and I bet I&apos;d have a much better time playing with people close to my skill level (=people who haven&apos;t memorized all possible combinations). But that&apos;s still the impression I got from playing in Taiwan.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:42:57 -0800</pubDate>
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