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June 9, 2005 11:22 AM Subscribe

"Oh shit! It's Baby Man," says one cashier, a Hispanic kid who's heard the legend but has never been a witness to the spectacle. "It's like Sasquatch!" he says. "You don't believe it exists until you see it." And even then, you're likely to think Baby Man is the star of a hidden-camera TV show, a singing telegram, or maybe on his way to a costume party. But Windsor (AGE 54) is for real. This is no spoof.
posted by miss lynnster (59 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite

But Windsor (AGE 54) is for real. This is no spoof.

Nah--you gotta be shitting, right?
posted by leftcoastbob at 11:35 AM on June 9, 2005

I feel compelled to comment but...no... words...
posted by arse_hat at 11:36 AM on June 9, 2005

For some reason I'm reminded of Transmetropolitan - it seems like this guy would fit right in.
posted by Ryvar at 11:55 AM on June 9, 2005

Baby Man meet Peter Pan.
posted by ericb at 11:56 AM on June 9, 2005

I feel a disturbance in the Force, as if a thousand geeks all together were saying, "WTF?"
posted by paladin at 12:02 PM on June 9, 2005

these guys are all over the interent. this is the first time you've seen something like this?
posted by puke & cry at 12:19 PM on June 9, 2005 [1 favorite has favorites]

Peter Pan meet Pirate Guy.
posted by MrMoonPie at 12:24 PM on June 9, 2005

If I inherited a fortune, I'd do whatever the hell I wanted too.
posted by pg at 12:26 PM on June 9, 2005

That's hot.
posted by jikel_morten at 12:31 PM on June 9, 2005

"The last thing somebody wants is to get their ass kicked by a baby girl."
posted by spicynuts at 12:34 PM on June 9, 2005

"these guys are all over the interent. this is the first time you've seen something like this?" never ones going out in public before.
posted by arse_hat at 12:34 PM on June 9, 2005

If you liked this post, you'll love this site.
posted by Specklet at 12:52 PM on June 9, 2005

Oh shit, its a pathetic cry for attention from a freaking nutjob who dresses up like a baby girl.

Just like the loser nutjob who wanders around my town in a floral print dress with an umbrella lined with aluminum foil and an irritating Look-at-me sly smile.

The best thing to do is ignore them, without the shocked expressions and looks they will get bored and find some other way to get the attention they crave so much.
posted by fenriq at 1:04 PM on June 9, 2005

Well shit, it only make sense when you look at the logical progression of events; first he's a country western guitar player - next, a diaper wearing....OMFG!!!
sorry. couldn't resist
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 1:15 PM on June 9, 2005

They already did a CSI about this fetish, fer chrissakes.
posted by schmedeman at 1:43 PM on June 9, 2005

i'm wearing pampers now.
posted by nola at 2:39 PM on June 9, 2005

Surprisingly, this is how he dressed as a child.
posted by brain_drain at 2:50 PM on June 9, 2005

Great. I love humanity. "I'm going to get a million dollars! Should I feed the hungry? Clothe the poor? Create foundations and send disadvantaged people to college? HHmmmmm. I know! I'll dress like a baby! Like, all the time!"

Freak.
posted by elwoodwiles at 3:53 PM on June 9, 2005

It took Windsor more than seven months to retrain himself "to go" in his diapers, he says. He bought hypnosis tapes available online at dpf.com and other sites. "But the tapes aren't enough. You have to want it," he says. So he even went so far as to chain-lock his toilet.

"Visitors weren't so happy about that," he says. "I am incontinent now. I never know when it's going to strike. It's to the point now where if I didn't wear diapers, I wouldn't have the time to get to a bathroom. I wouldn't trust myself anymore without the diapers."

and

"She was a great mommy," he says about Anna. But, like many women, Windsor says, she wouldn't change his diapers.

Nor did they have sex. In fact, Windsor says he's been celibate for nine years now. He doesn't even masturbate, he says.

"When I was married, I'd often have sex with my wife while I was wearing the diaper," he explains. "But every time we finished, I felt so dirty, like it was something I wasn't supposed to be doing."

Woah.

Hey, more power to him if it makes him happy. But, damn. I'd feel dirty too if I was having sex with a poopy diaper on.
posted by loquacious at 6:05 PM on June 9, 2005

BabyClub is better than ever. Yearly membership is $30
($20 less than a printed Newsletter subscription).

I did not know that...
posted by mr.curmudgeon at 8:23 PM on June 9, 2005

He isn't hurting anyone, give him a break.
posted by deborah at 9:35 PM on June 9, 2005

They went through the effort of checking old programs to ensure he was really in Jesus Christ Superstar, but they couldn't be bothered to find out that it was an episode of CSI and not CSI Miami? That bothered me way more than him living his fetish full-time. Whatever.
posted by Ruki at 9:54 PM on June 9, 2005

OK, the CSI fetish here is getting more disturbing than the big dude in the diaper.
posted by arse_hat at 10:03 PM on June 9, 2005

I've heard about this phenomenon before. I recall a documentary on unusual sexual fetishes. It featured a british woman who would wear a nurses uniform and actually breastfeed full-grown men in diapers. And of course change the nappies, etcetc. Suffice it to say, I bailed on viewing the whole doc.
This is mindnumbingly sad. I'm with arse_hat:
"I feel compelled to comment but...no... words..."
posted by arse_hat at 11:36 AM PST on June 9 [!]
Very very sad & pathetic. That's all I can say.
posted by Radio7 at 10:37 PM on June 9, 2005

Fenriq:If we ignore you, will you stop having sex? No? Then, WTF are you talking about? Don't be such a total ass.

What's pathetic about it? Its a fetish. Typically, these people have it from early childhood. They grow up pre-adolescents, with this desire. Only thing pathetic there is the burden of having such urges when too young to begin to understand. Its an urge that drives, just like sex when you hit your teens, only it starts EARLY, like age 4.

Some of them get past this as adolescents enough to have more typical teenage years, then return to it latter. Others go through adolescence wearing diapers for their private excitement, never really dating (even if they go through the motions). Lots of them make your average geek look like a social mastermind.

Some are quite happy keeping this activity limited in scope. Others, like Windsor, go further to varying degrees. It's quite rare for someone to do as Windsor does, all by themselves. Pretty sad, IMO.

Its quite common for them to go through the guilt trip cycle where you toss everything they've bought and "kick the habit", only to replace everything some time latter. Like a gay guy trying to play at being straight.

A leading theory as to WHY it happens involves nothing more complex than a stimulation of the penis from diapers, at an early age. An association is formed and it sticks with them. This theory gets some legs because it also explains the relative rarity of females with the interest.

Some develop with just a fetish for diapers. They want to wear them, but don't have any interest in being treated like a baby. Others want the whole baby thing, and desire to be kept that way, even against their will. They love things babyish, and being treated like a baby.

How "mainstream" is it? Online communities existed as far back as Compuserve in the mid 80's. They've been featured on Donahue and Springer and probably others. Its not like no one ever heard of them. The Jerry Springer musical even features an infantilist. Is that mainstream enough? What does "mainstream" really mean, anyway? That "everyone" does it, or simply that plenty people know about it?

But hey folks, LAUGH! It really is funny! Most of them appreciate that fact. But there's a real difference between having a good laugh because something is funny, and having a sick laugh at someone because they are different from you. monkeys will attack another monkey that's been painted a different color. Are you human, or just another monkey?
posted by Goofyy at 2:35 AM on June 10, 2005 [1 favorite has favorites]

What's pathetic about it? Its a fetish.

It's a fetish that involves other people against their will. He gets the attention he craves by wearing his stupid costume in public. I can't stand that sort of attention-whoring. If I saw a group of toughs beating him up, I'd help if I thought I could get away with it.

Do what EVER you want in the privacy of your own home, but don't do over-the-top shit to make me look at you. Wear diapers under your pants, that's your business. Wear a loud outfit because you get a boner from creping people out and it becomes our business. And I'm willing to settle my business in any manner that won't get me an assault conviction.
posted by Mayor Curley at 4:51 AM on June 10, 2005

To Mayor Curley and Fenriq in view of their OTT reactions:
The fabulously unrepentant line from "The Naked Civil Servant" when some oafs are "settling their business" with him: "Some queers are really tough, and some toughs are really queer."
posted by Jody Tresidder at 6:16 AM on June 10, 2005

Are you human, or just another monkey?

::flings crap::
posted by Ptrin at 6:35 AM on June 10, 2005

Poor Mayor Curley, can't you see, it has nothing to do with you? I realize it may be difficult, but really, just turn your head the other way and DON'T LOOK. Surely a sissy like that can't "make" a tough guy like yourself look at him. But if you really can resist looking, just yell at him "Look at the sissy in diapers!". He'll be so embarrassed, he'll probably cum in diapers. Feel better now? Good!

Jody, that is just beautiful

/me tosses Ptrin a banana.
posted by Goofyy at 7:49 AM on June 10, 2005

So lets pretend for a second that my kink (and this far from the truth) is having strangers watch me poop. So I go to public parks, open up the trapdoor of my union suit and fertilize the lawn.

According to Goofyy, it's not my problem if somebody else objects to it (provided that I pick up the logs). Is that right, Goofyy? Or is there an invisible line that you are authorized to demarcate?
posted by Mayor Curley at 10:16 AM on June 10, 2005

But hey folks, LAUGH! It really is funny!

Gotcha covered there.

Yeah, nothing like Dohanhue and Springer to really give a freaky fetish the care and attention it deserves. I know Goofyy, you'd like to believe that it should be accepted by the public at large but really, c'mon now - a dude in diapers at the supermarket? I wouldn't beat up on him but I'd sure as hell acknowledge his presence with a big hearty "WTF?"

And where the hell did the "queer" thing come in?
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 10:29 AM on June 10, 2005

So I go to public parks, open up the trapdoor of my union suit and fertilize the lawn.

Curley - Jerry Springer on line one. I hear Donahue is making a comeback and would like word with you...
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 10:32 AM on June 10, 2005

the "queer" thing comes in because it appears to be all about somehow "assaulting" people with your fetish by the way you dress. male queers have been attacked for ever because they are dressed funny or wear makeup or wear a dress, and all too many people seem to think that's an invitation to beating the crap out of them. how lovely.

i'm amazed at the excuses people will come up with to get their rocks off on kicking the shit out of people.

people get boners all the time for the stupidest and sometimes most offensive of reasons. sometimes they are using *me* to feed it. does that mean i should feel personally assaulted? should i kick the crap out of them?
posted by RedEmma at 10:54 AM on June 10, 2005 [1 favorite has favorites]

"i'm amazed at the excuses people will come up with to get their rocks off" by looking odd to shock others.
posted by arse_hat at 11:30 AM on June 10, 2005

the "queer" thing comes in because it appears to be all about somehow "assaulting" people with your fetish by the way you dress.

You realize that drawing a hard connection to gays is absolutely tenuous, right? I'm sure that everything you process gets connected to homosexuality, but for the rest of us you just look looney for confusing two issues.
posted by Mayor Curley at 12:08 PM on June 10, 2005

It's pathetic because, imo, it's someone who's frozen in their life, living in fantasy. And yes, we could argue the semantics of both points on and on; but for me, I consider it sad and pathetic (not in a "oh, look at the freeeaks!" way either).
posted by Radio7 at 1:13 PM on June 10, 2005

Mayor Curley: apologies if you've manfully grasped the wrong end of various sticks.
Quentin Crisp's defiant bon mot ("some queers are really tough and some toughs are really queer") WAS a jab at the latent motivations of the louts who laid into him for revealing his "queerness" in the way he dressed - in 1968. It has come to refer by extension (if "by extension" doesn't upset you too much) to any let's-beat-up-freaks posturing. It's intended as a waspish rebuke to those who proudly lash out at what they'd prefer not to understand.
Insisting it is tantamount to "drawing a hard connection to gays" is like me saying you have issues with coprophilia, based on a literal reading of your posts.
Trust this clears things up.
posted by Jody Tresidder at 1:23 PM on June 10, 2005

I can't stand that sort of attention-whoring. If I saw a group of toughs beating him up, I'd help if I thought I could get away with it.

So basically, gay-bashing and lynching are totally cool with you?

So this guy is a weirdo who readily admits he loves to shock people? Who gives a shit? He's a loser. You gonna show how much a tough guy you are by beating people who don't fit into your definition of normal? I mean, we've all seen before how much of an interent tough guy you are, you probably beat people up all the time, you manly man!
posted by Snyder at 2:20 PM on June 10, 2005

Bruce Baum had a hilarious character called "Baby Man" on Make Me Laugh in the 70s.

"Hey, and lookee
I even got a cookie!"

Oooh, it's gonna be a comic!
posted by Shane at 3:27 PM on June 10, 2005

(Make Me Laugh, game show...)
posted by Shane at 3:33 PM on June 10, 2005

Quentin Crisp's defiant bon mot ("some queers are really tough and some toughs are really queer") WAS a jab at the latent motivations of the louts who laid into him for revealing his "queerness" in the way he dressed - in 1968. It has come to refer by extension (if "by extension" doesn't upset you too much) to any let's-beat-up-freaks posturing. It's intended as a waspish rebuke to those who proudly lash out at what they'd prefer not to understand.

So you think I'm a philistine and you condescendingly explain your reference to me anyway? You are the most pretentious person posting here. And that is a spectacular accomplishment. Go rent "Seven Stories of the Tundra" or something equally inaccesible and pat yourself on the back for being so worldly. You deserve it.

As for the "prefer not to understand" part of it, I fucking understand why he dresses up in a baby costume and shits himslf-- he likes the attention. Because he does it in public. And if he used me as his audience without my consent I would look around for cops, make sure I had a clean exit, and then tell him as hard as I could that it's unacceptable to treat me like that.

You gonna show how much a tough guy you are by beating people who don't fit into your definition of normal?

That might be an ancilliary result, but it certainly isn't a motivation. The motivation is defending my need to go to the grocery store without strangers advertising their problems to me. So many people with their problems. I'm not interested in their problems.
posted by Mayor Curley at 3:35 PM on June 10, 2005

Here's a bumper sticker for you, Curley:
"Philistines say it with their fists - at least when the cops aren't around- heh heh."
You still don't get it, do you?
posted by Jody Tresidder at 4:22 PM on June 10, 2005

You still don't get it, do you?

No, or obviously I would agree with you because you're enlightened and I'm watching your shadow on the cave wall. Right? That's what you're saying, isn't it? That you're my intellectual superior because you took a gay literature class. No disputing logic like that!

And as for my mention of avoiding the cops-- I wanted to suggest that I have thought this through. Plus, I have a prior assault conviction (for kicking a skinhead down a flight of stone steps) and can't afford to waste a second one on an asshole who wears diapers to piss everyone else off.
posted by Mayor Curley at 6:21 PM on June 10, 2005

Curley, I don't care if you fantasize about beating him up or not, but I'd like if you just admitted you wouldn't do shit if you saw him because your giant blowhard.

And as for my mention of avoiding the cops-- I wanted to suggest that I have thought this through. Plus, I have a prior assault conviction (for kicking a skinhead down a flight of stone steps) and can't afford to waste a second one on an asshole who wears diapers to piss everyone else off.

Wow, you're sooooo cool! I can't believe I'm actually talking to such a hardcore badass!

Hey Curley, If I'm ever in Boston, I'm gonna kick your ass, but I better watch out for the police because of my murder conviction when I killed those 400 Klan Nazi biker rapists.
posted by Snyder at 6:43 PM on June 10, 2005 [1 favorite has favorites]

Hey Curley, If I'm ever in Boston, I'm gonna kick your ass, but I better watch out for the police because of my murder conviction when I killed those 400 Klan Nazi biker rapists.

Email me and you're welcome to try. Seriously. I'll aim for your jaw and it will be a good way for you to lose some weight.
posted by Mayor Curley at 7:02 PM on June 10, 2005

(and it occurs to me that you didn't get that I was being facetious about having priors. You're dumber than Jody Tresidder thinks that I am.)
posted by Mayor Curley at 7:12 PM on June 10, 2005

Ok, but I'm afraid that I might accidentally might explode you with my mind powers. I'd be all "Oooohhh" and you be "Waaaaah" and then I'd be "Eaaah" and you'd be "Ooargh" and you'd explode. I see that being a problem that would distract you from your busy life of having an incredibly thin skin.

(and it occurs to me that you didn't get that I was being facetious about having priors. You're dumber than Jody Tresidder thinks that I am.)

This excuse only works if you were being facetious about everything else. I already wasn't taking you at your word, pretending it was intentional on your part dosen't make you less of a gasbag.
posted by Snyder at 7:30 PM on June 10, 2005

This excuse only works if you were being facetious about everything else...

You totally caught me. I was lying to intimidate a bag of margerine on the internet, not responding to the sarcastic "ooh, you're a big man!" taunt that you learned from an elderly relative.
posted by Mayor Curley at 7:39 PM on June 10, 2005

Can we please get back to the guy in the diapers, fellas?
posted by yhbc at 7:50 PM on June 10, 2005

"A bag of margerine." Oh, that hurts me so, especially with the great deal of respect I have for you and your massively overinflated sense of self-worth coupled with your parchment like skin that allows you to get so worked up over simply seeing a weirdo. What happens when someone accidentally bumps into you? Do have a heart attack? If someone cuts you off in traffic, do you follow them home and burn their house down? In what other ways do you display your massive inability to show some fucking perspective? I should say: In what other ways to you display your massive inability to show some fucking perspective by acting like a sooper-tough guy on the internet, a place with no physical repercussions and no need to actually back your talk up with something concrete?

T.T.F.N.!
(Ta-ta for now!)

Can we please get back to the guy in the diapers, fellas?

Hmm. I thought I was talking to the Baby-Man?
posted by Snyder at 7:55 PM on June 10, 2005 [1 favorite has favorites]

Hey Curley dude, you're such a tough guy, the blood doesn't make it to your brain.

Windsor isn't dressing his way to shock you, or to make you look. It has nothing to do with you. He's dressing that way because he wants to, for his own pleasure. He does it openly, in public, for his mental health, and perhaps, to shock himself.

Seriously, I can understand why you'd suppose it otherwise, but I'm here telling you it isn't so. But you're so in to beating up pink monkeys, you can't listen or hear, or think and understand.

It certainly seems exhibitionistic. Surprise! It's NOT! But Curley, just leave the thread, we know how you feel, and its irrelevant to the discussion, you lack the mental fortitude to understand such strange things.

This is no simple fetish. Because it starts so early in life, it carries a wallop of guilt that makes being gay seem like a picnic. To make it worse, it is also typical that the feelings of shame and humiliation are also eroticised. The complexity is that, therefore, going out in public is both titillating as well as therapeutic. But its not to "make you look". Consider that on top of the guilt is also usually believing you're the only one in the world with the same desire, a total complete freak.

Yes, these people get together and have parties. Funny parties, as they often are as much group therapy as a fun gathering, especially for the new-comers (whether they realize it or not). Most have never worn diapers in front of anyone else, and many still won't, at first, even in the safety of such a gathering of like minded people.
posted by Goofyy at 12:41 AM on June 11, 2005

Why is this behavior not exhibitionistic?

(Assuming there is such a word as exhibitionistic...)
posted by warbaby at 1:54 AM on June 11, 2005

To make it worse, it is also typical that the feelings of shame and humiliation are also eroticised. The complexity is that, therefore, going out in public is both titillating as well as therapeutic.

That is an excellent explanation of it and it helps me to see it a little better-- the attraction is to shame, not just plain old attention. He is, however, still obtaining this shame that he needs by involving other people.
posted by Mayor Curley at 4:27 AM on June 11, 2005

So, Curley, now you've accepted that display is a critical aspect of diaper guy's compulsion - is your solution still baseball bats in the park so long as cops are absent?
posted by Jody Tresidder at 5:45 AM on June 11, 2005

is your solution still baseball bats in the park so long as cops are absent?

I just want him to stop forcing other people to attend his private circus and I still think he deserves a good beating if that will stop it. For the record, I never said "baseball bats" because I don't want him killed or disabled.

Think of his illness as being akin to that of a pedophile-- you can't be thought police and prevent people from thinking about it. But you can stop them from acting on it because their perversion hurts other people. Not nearly to the level that child molestaion does, but the principle is the same-- I need to use you against your will to get MY rocks off. Actually, bats might be a better solution for a self-centered pervert like that.
posted by Mayor Curley at 11:53 AM on June 11, 2005

Not to rip off Bill Maher, but new rule: something is not "in the mainstream" because it was on a fucking episode of CSI, okay? If something was on an episode of CSI, it means it's an obscure sexual fetish an intern for the show discovered on the internet as the plot device for that week's show.
...

have a fucking clue what "mainstream" means because it's been dilluted almost as much as worlds like "terrorism" and "literally." Jesus.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 4:39 PM PST on June 9 [!]

If it's on TV, it's in the mainstream. TV's pretty much the definition of mainstream. i don't care if CSI is really 3DGY!11! or just pretending to be. If it's on tv, it's water cooler conversation and that's all there is to it.

And about 'literally'- 'diluted' doesn't mean 'now has a completely opposite meaning' now, does it? Give me a 'fucking clue about what mainstream' means if you have one.
cause i'd really like to know. Literally. In the old sense.
posted by Miles Long at 1:20 PM on June 11, 2005

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