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is this fundamentalism?

cbjg — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:57:42 -0800

Nun crucified at Romanian exorcism. A Romanian nun has died after being bound to a cross, gagged and left alone for three days in a cold room in a convent, Romanian police have said. "I don't understand why journalists are making such a fuss about this. Exorcism is a common practice in the heart of the Romanian Orthodox church and my methods are not at all unknown to other priests," Father Daniel added.

UPDATE: She was buried yesterday and the Principal monk has been charged with false imprisonment leading to death.

By: God Almighty

God Almighty — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:23:34 -0800

Let me add commandment #11: Thou shalt not crucify nuns. (Just when I think I don't have to spell out the self-evident shit.)

By: tarantula

tarantula — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:41:06 -0800

for christ's sake. what century is it?

By: Pretty_Generic

Pretty_Generic — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:45:14 -0800

The irony is, there is no god.

By: God Almighty

God Almighty — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:46:39 -0800

::smites Pretty_Generic::

By: jessamyn

jessamyn — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:50:04 -0800

Mediafax news agency said Cornici suffered from schizophrenia and the symptoms of her condition caused the priest at the convent and other nuns to believe she was possessed by the devil. Didn't we see a similar story of death-by-exorcism in the US in the last few years?

By: ubernostrum

ubernostrum — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:52:19 -0800

for christ's sake. Or so they tell us.

By: purplemonkie

purplemonkie — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:55:57 -0800

Didn't we see a similar story of death-by-exorcism in the US in the last few years?

Yes: an eight-year-old autistic boy.

By: three blind mice

three blind mice — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:09:39 -0800

It's happening in the UK too within the African community: On Friday, the issue of spiritual belief within the African community was highlighted once more when Sita Kisanga and her brother Sebastian Pinto were found guilty at the Old Bailey of aiding and abetting the physical abuse of an eight-year-old girl. The girl's aunt, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was convicted of child cruelty. The court heard that the child, who was brought to Britain from Angola by her aunt after her parents died, had been beaten, cut and had chilli peppers rubbed in her eyes to 'beat the devil out of her'. Christians are not the only ones who believe in fundamentalist voodoo.

By: mania

mania — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:11:29 -0800

The story: sad and disturbing. God Almighty: funny.

By: grapefruitmoon

grapefruitmoon — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:15:16 -0800

Wow. I saw a Law & Order episode about a little boy suffocated because it was believed that his seizures were caused by demonic possesion. I hadn't realized that was one of those "ripped from the headlines" episodes, it seems so extreme. (Yeah, I don't keep up much with the news, but I know my L&0.) I heard about the Romanian woman last night - it just makes me so sad to hear that schizophrenia and such are still so misunderstood that some believe that the disease is actually "demonic possession." The saddest part is that the priest obviously thought that he was acting in the woman's best interest. Seems like 2,000 years hasn't been long enough for the Church to catch up to modern medicine.

By: fluffycreature

fluffycreature — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:15:17 -0800

Does this mean she was made of wood, or not? I'm all confused and obviously born in the wrong century.

By: snoktruix

snoktruix — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:20:12 -0800

The dude with the wiry ginger beard (Father Daniel I believe) looks fucking backshit insane.

By: flabdablet

flabdablet — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:21:44 -0800

She may well have been schizophrenic, but that priest is clearly psychotic.

By: shawnj

shawnj — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:32:40 -0800

He'll be exonerated in a couple of days when she rises from the grave.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:36:45 -0800

in other news, an unreligious 17 year old fucked a dog, a 3 year old and a 13 year old. a patriotic man blew up a building in oklahoma and two non-beleiving teens in colorado shot up thier school. a secular serial child molester has apparently diddled thousands. what's the point of this post?

By: three blind mice

three blind mice — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:45:57 -0800

in other news, an unreligious 17 year old fucked a dog, a 3 year old and a 13 year old. that's not how i read the story. the 3 year old dog would screw anyone and the 13 year old dog came on to him.

By: tpl1212

tpl1212 — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:47:20 -0800

At least there are two newsfiltery links...or something.

By: R. Mutt

R. Mutt — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:49:34 -0800

what's the point of this post? If prevents just one case of "morally-certain-priest-cruxifies-schizophrenic-nun-syndrome" from ever happening again, isn't it worth it?

By: spazzm

spazzm — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:51:29 -0800

I'm always happy to see another life brightened by the light of Jeebus. Opium for the masses, jadda jadda.

By: spazzm

spazzm — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:55:15 -0800

I'm sure Father Daniel is just getting off to his combined nun/bondage fetish.

By: gorgor_balabala

gorgor_balabala — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:55:31 -0800

fluffy, she was obviously made with wood. c'mon, keep up! quonsar, the point is: churches are the devil's work.

By: FunkyHelix

FunkyHelix — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 06:49:24 -0800

Actually, a point would be better made if the post had been fleshed out with more links on how far we haven't come in the acceptance of mental illness. The relighous trappings make this sensationalist, but it's the underlying message that people still think mental illness = evil that is really worth discussing. But of course, don't let me stop you all from waving your internet dicks around. I think there's a couple corners you haven't pissed in yet.

By: magullo

magullo — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 06:53:01 -0800

Cough

By: Optimus Chyme

Optimus Chyme — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:03:36 -0800

in other news, an unreligious 17 year old fucked a dog, a 3 year old and a 13 year old . . . and two non-beleiving teens in colorado shot up thier school . . . a secular serial child molester has apparently diddled thousands. what's the point of this post? posted by quonsar at 5:36 AM PST on June 21 The difference between the actions of Father Daniel and those of the dogfucker, McVeigh, and the two idiot kids is that none of those three performed those actions explicitly because of their secular nature. There is no secular handbook that recommends those activities, whereas the Bible and associated texts have explicit instructions on how to deal with possession. You should know better.

By: unreason

unreason — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:56:28 -0800

whereas the Bible and associated texts have explicit instructions on how to deal with possession. The priest in question didn't follow the Bible, actually, so there wasn't a "handbook" in this case either.

By: TimothyMason

TimothyMason — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:25:11 -0800

The dude with the wiry ginger beard (Father Daniel I believe) looks fucking backshit insane. Ah?? He looks quite a pleasant fellow to me, with a generous and kindly nature. A more careful scrutiny reveals that he is also mildly asthmatic and has only recently given up a troubling addiction to canadian ice hockey.

By: mullingitover

mullingitover — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:33:48 -0800

This is what happens when you have a religion so narrowly focused on crucifixion. When you've got a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

By: elwoodwiles

elwoodwiles — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:42:49 -0800

Seems odd that a christian would be pro-crucifixion.

By: trondant

trondant — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:43:56 -0800

Shouldn't we be encouraging the clergy to crucify each other? If each man or woman of the cloth did this to just one of his or her fellows, the number of professional God-botherers could be halved overnight, and the half remaining imprisoned for life.

By: mullingitover

mullingitover — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:51:15 -0800

The more you think about it, the more fucked up the whole thing is. Abortion = bad. Murdering the mentally ill = good? (cuz of teh S474|\|!!!1one) Given the track record of the religion, this shouldn't be terribly surprising. However, this incident could give a new approach for abortion-seeking teens to get the clinic protesters to leave them alone. Just say your fetus is posessed. Having worked with the mentally ill for many years, I can personally attest to the fact that crucifixion never works, and should be abandoned as a treatment method.

By: Bugbread

Bugbread — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:10:42 -0800

mullingitover : "The more you think about it, the more fucked up the whole thing is.

"Abortion = bad.
"Murdering the mentally ill = good?" I dunno. I support the ability to choose abortion, and oppose killing the mentally ill, but the more I think about, the more fucked up it doesn't become. It seems internally logically consistent. Wrong, but internally logically consistent.

By: joe lisboa

joe lisboa — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:39:19 -0800

Seems odd that a christian would be pro-crucifixion. No odder than adopting a Roman instrument of torture and humiliating death as your central religious symbol, really. Guess it's harder to sell miniature electric chair pendants or something?

By: PurplePorpoise

PurplePorpoise — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:00:34 -0800

mullingover - Just say your fetus is posessed. lol, but isn't the fetus posessing you?

By: pyramid termite

pyramid termite — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:25:18 -0800

you know, it wouldn't hurt people to be fair ... from the 2nd link "The Orthodox Church has condemned the incident and suspended him." this was the act of a complete screwball who wasn't following his religion very well ...

By: unreason

unreason — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:39:21 -0800

No odder than adopting a Roman instrument of torture and humiliating death as your central religious symbol, really. Guess it's harder to sell miniature electric chair pendants or something? No odder than actually trying to understand a religion you don't believe in rather than taking cheap shots. you know, it wouldn't hurt people to be fair ... from the 2nd link "The Orthodox Church has condemned the incident and suspended him." this was the act of a complete screwball who wasn't following his religion very well ... Somehow, it doesn't surprise me at all that it took 34 comments for anyone to notice this.

By: fenriq

fenriq — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:20:04 -0800

Well, its nice to know that some priests are exploring other ways to get their rocks off that don't involve sodomizing children.

By: lastobelus

lastobelus — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:26:20 -0800

you know, it wouldn't hurt people to be fair ... from the 2nd link we'll be fair when they're fair. Or haven't you ever had to sit through a reciting of the Christian Party Line about how socialism MUST be inherently evil because of all the atrocities that have been committed by various regimes in the name of communism? Or how atheists are all inherently immoral? Is it patently wrong to feel that actions such as that by this Father do at least partially define christianity when there are hundreds of years of history, atrocities by the bookful as examples? What if the only thing preventing christians from behaving thusly in general in our modern society are the social rules and guidelines for acceptable behaviour that have been promoted into acceptance primarily by secularists, usually over the strenuous objections of christianity? Rules & guidelines that vocal, significant factions of christendom continue to rail against.

By: j.p. Hung

j.p. Hung — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:40:11 -0800

lastobelus....what are you talking about? Do you really believe that our social rules and guidelines are not influenced by that 10 commandment thingy? Secularists..no. Founding Fathers..yes. I'm not saying our "Americanism" is a purely religious entity, it's clearly not, but perhaps you should clarify those guidelines the christians are railing against (more than abortion please). As far as the post is concerned, it just doesn't surprise me this guy would do it. Of the religious I know, the 'devout' ones are some of the scariest people I've ever met. I'm curious what the outcome of this will be.

By: Bugbread

Bugbread — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:06:23 -0800

lastobelus : "we'll be fair when they're fair." Way to take the high road.

By: pyramid termite

pyramid termite — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:16:24 -0800

What if the only thing preventing christians from behaving thusly in general in our modern society are the social rules and guidelines for acceptable behaviour that have been promoted into acceptance primarily by secularists, usually over the strenuous objections of christianity? Rules & guidelines that vocal, significant factions of christendom continue to rail against. i await with considerable interest your posting of a link wherein one of these "significant factions" proposes the crucifixion of those needing exorcism

By: mullingitover

mullingitover — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:10:34 -0800

Crucifixion is a pretty big leap, even for the fundamentalists. They prefer baby on the path to crushing, repressive theocracy. However, we have many fine examples in the Islamic states of where things might go, given the opportunity.

By: mullingitover

mullingitover — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:11:30 -0800

*baby steps

By: Mayor Curley

Mayor Curley — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:05:44 -0800

If the nun died, it was God's will. Shut up and don't speak for god.

By: BrotherCaine

BrotherCaine — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:41:58 -0800

Just because some, most or all religious people are nut jobs (depending on your beliefs), doesn't mean that they wouldn't be equally nutty if organized religion didn't exist. They'd just express it as belief in a Randian world order or supply side economics or something.

By: joe lisboa

joe lisboa — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:53:08 -0800

Keep your delusional absentee-father projection away from our attempt at a humane life please, thnx.

By: DeepFriedTwinkies

DeepFriedTwinkies — Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:23:44 -0800

Man, where's Tom DeLay when you need him?

By: stavrosthewonderchicken

stavrosthewonderchicken — Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:58:17 -0800

"The Orthodox Church has condemned the incident and suspended him." It seems unlikely that they'd do anything else, though, doesn't it? Patting him on the back and saying 'well done, father' might look, you know, bad. Churches -- 'backshit' insane or otherwise -- need that PR reacharound too.

By: joe lisboa

joe lisboa — Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:36:30 -0800

No odder than actually trying to understand a religion you don't believe in rather than taking cheap shots. Hey, unreason: in the event you follow up on this thead (since it's been awhile): fuck you. I was born and raised Roman Catholic, attended Catholic educational institutions through university (inclusive, and by my own choice, fuckwit), and have studied Latin and Greek and theology enough to know your favorite god-man martyr cult sucks. Get over yourself, get over your faux-god, and go to fucking hell.