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Geothermals make me sleepy...

lucien — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:05:22 -0800

Sci-fi writer and Marine Biologist Peter Watts puts his first two novels, Starfish and Maelstrom online under Creative Commons license. Behemoth to follow shortly. The most original and starkly vivid account of a dystopian future that I have read for years, made all the more enthralling by Watt's scientific background and knowledge. You will find some of his short stories at the link as well. Via BoingBoing

By: smith186

smith186 — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:26:26 -0800

That's really cool - I'd like to see more novels available digitally. I'll have to make some time to actually read them though. Had a friend clue me into Accelerando yesterday too, which is another CC-released sci-fi novel.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:29:33 -0800

Doctorow put his latest online too

By: selfnoise

selfnoise — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:31:53 -0800

Very cool. I actually read Starfish in dead-tree form a couple of years ago. It's a really distinctive, dark, and interesting SF novel. Hopefully this will allow Watts to reach a new audience.

By: OmieWise

OmieWise — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:34:03 -0800

Thanks for the links, and for the recs, I would probably not read these without the above comments that make them seem worth it.

By: verb

verb — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:47:02 -0800

Holy smoke! Starfish has been one of my favorites for quite a while. He's a really good writer. It's encouraging to see authors taking these kinds of steps with their work.

By: odinsdream

odinsdream — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:55:51 -0800

Wonderful!

By: ninebelow

ninebelow — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:06:20 -0800

I like this line: You can even make so-called "derivative works" — write stories using the same characters, create deep-sea-sexual-abuse-role-playing games, whatever. I though Starfish was a very interesting novel so I'm pleased to see Maelstrom available.

By: docgonzo

docgonzo — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:31:48 -0800

Has a non-established author ever used CC-licencing to increase the spread of their work? There are, of course, tons of bands that have used free or nearly free distribution of music to increase their fanbase. But authors?

By: jscalzi

jscalzi — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:44:35 -0800

Docgonzo asks: "Has a non-established author ever used CC-licencing to increase the spread of their work?" Cory used it for his first novel, so arguably he was "non-established" as an author at that point (he was, however, reasonably well-known in SF and tech geek circles and had written short stories). There are of course a fair number of writers, most not yet formally published, who post entire novels online for public consumption, with or without CC licensing. Personally I don't seeing a CC license being as critical to the spread of work as much as simply making the work available to be freely distributed and/or read online.

By: cavalier

cavalier — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:47:58 -0800

Realistically, in terms of sales, Doctorow is still "non established". Not trying to be snarky, just looking at book order charts. That's ok, they don't have to be established, they're the Lewis and Clark of the new world after all. ;)

By: Fuzzy Monster

Fuzzy Monster — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:50:35 -0800

deep-sea-sexual-abuse-role-playing games The water is dark. Suddenly, the ghostly pale form of The Giant Squid looms up before you! The Giant Squid's tentacles creep closer and closer... Roll 2d6 against swimsuit removal

By: voltairemodern

voltairemodern — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:56:47 -0800

"Has a non-established author ever used CC-licencing to increase the spread of their work?" There is a debate as to the effectiveness of this tactic. Some people point to Doctorow's success as evidence that the tactic is a good one. Others point out the incompatibility of this tactic with the traditional system, adding that since the publishing system manages publicity for the books they produce, this tactic is a bad one. Truth be told, it's still too early to say which view is (more) correct.

By: Espy Gillespie

Espy Gillespie — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:28:36 -0800

Here is a recent piece by John C. Dvorak criticizing Creative Commons and here is a very well written rebuttal that I found very informative. [Via Waxy]

By: mecran01

mecran01 — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:03:10 -0800

Roll 2d6 against swimsuit removal Ha! Goes nicely with the earlier dolphin-love thread.

By: nofundy

nofundy — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:31:25 -0800

My recollection of the first SF writing available online was something over at the old glassdog site. Anyone remember the story?

By: ninebelow

ninebelow — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:39:29 -0800

Realistically, in terms of sales, Doctorow is still "non established". It's not sales that make you established, it publications and with four books out Doctorow certainly counts as established.

By: cstross

cstross — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:28:42 -0800

voltairemodern asks some apposite questions. At risk of being accused of self-publicizing, I'd like to reference this transcript of a bunch of questions a reporter from The Book Standard asked me about this very topic last month.

By: Chuckles

Chuckles — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:33:18 -0800

mecran01, you and Fuzzy Monster have obviously been watching too much tentacle monster anime.

By: Navek Rednam

Navek Rednam — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:34:31 -0800

Surely availability makes you established? Walking into a bookstore and being able to pick up a book makes you more accessible to the general populace and more likely to be discussed. But that's according to the traditional position of the goalposts.

By: Navek Rednam

Navek Rednam — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:36:23 -0800

By: KirkJobSluder

KirkJobSluder — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:54:39 -0800

Espy: Here is a recent piece by John C. Dvorak criticizing Creative Commons and here is a very well written rebuttal that I found very informative. [Via Waxy] The Dvorak piece is bad, very bad. Not bad in terms of effects, but bad in that it lacks basic information that would have been made clear with 20 mitunes of research. In the comments for the online article. he admits that he's frequently guilty of "writing before reading."

By: selfnoise

selfnoise — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:13:52 -0800

Dvorak's descent from decent columnist to mid-grade internet troll has been one of the most depressing developments of late regarding tech journalism.

By: Espy Gillespie

Espy Gillespie — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:18:37 -0800

KirkJobSluder - I completely agree, and it's Joe Gratz's response piece that I think people should read. It's an easy to follow debunking oof the most common and uninformed assumptions people have about CC. Like Gratz says: "Five minutes on the phone with a Creative Commons staffer, and this column would have looked very different." I think it's unfortunate that someone like Dvorak could be so woefully uninformed about CC. It doesn't bode well for its introduction to the population at large. on preview: selfnoise is pretty much right.

By: hindmost

hindmost — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:14:33 -0800

The Baen Free Library offers a fairly sizeable selection of books from (already established) sci fi authors. I recall reading that many authors discovered after making their works available on the website that their earlier works experienced a sizable resurgence in popularity.

By: KirkJobSluder

KirkJobSluder — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:15:07 -0800

What's really creepy about Watt's work is that while it is partially about the sea, it really is about the mind and memory as an organic function and the prospect of mind control. Most of the main characters have had their personalities forcably modified or tweaked with results that turn out to be disasterous for humanity.

By: mrbill

mrbill — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:07:04 -0800

I highly endorse this. Spent the afternoon reading Starfish. A while back, I spent the best part of a week converting all of the Baen Free Library to quality PDFs so I could share it with friends who had not yet discovered John Ringo (I finished A Watch on the Rhine last Saturday). If any MeFites want the PDF versions, shoot me an email. Thanks to cstross putting some of his works online, I bought The Atrocity Archives in hardcover two weeks ago, and read it in one sitting. I've got paperback copies of Singularity Sky (lost my older copy) and Iron Sunrise two feet in front of me waiting to be read after I get done re-reading Singularity Sky. Due to recommendations on MeFi, I've got jscalzi's Old Man's War on the bookshelf in the living room after devouring it in one sitting as well. You know what the coolest thing is? I've sent email (or comments on here) to both Charlie and John and actually *gotten responses*. I've been reading since I was 3 years old, and to be able to communicate with my favorite authors is JUST FUCKING AWESOME.

By: jscalzi

jscalzi — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:20:53 -0800

Mrbill: "You know what the coolest thing is? I've sent email (or comments on here) to both Charlie and John and actually *gotten responses*." I think most writers who are not King- or Rowling-level famous make an effort to respond to readers who send along e-mail (not implying King/Rowling don't answer fan mail, but I just can't imagine dealing with the volume they get). Aside from being simple and beneficial reader maintainance (we're glad you read our book, and hope you'll read the next one, too), answering reader mail is fun. But it is certainly true that the latest generation of writers (particularly, it seems, the SF writers) seems to be a whole lot more accessible. Many of us have personal sites/blogs and respond to comments left there, or show up here or other sites online. One does wonder what the implications of such immediate accessibility will be for long-term writing careers (assuming a minimum standard of writing competence when it comes to the books). I suspect in the long run it will be beneficial.

By: amberglow

amberglow — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:12:31 -0800

But it is certainly true that the latest generation of writers (particularly, it seems, the SF writers) seems to be a whole lot more accessible You reminded me--the wonderful Crooked Timber/Mieville thing Home (one of the short stories), by Watts, floored me when i read it earlier--i'm going to read them all.

By: pnh

pnh — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:51:42 -0800

"Others point out the incompatibility of this tactic with the traditional system, adding that since the publishing system manages publicity for the books they produce, this tactic is a bad one." You know, to this fifteen-year veteran of the "traditional system," this sentence comes close to being word salad; its structure implies causative relationships that its words don't actually deliver. What incompatibility? And how does the fact that we have our own publicists mean that we disdain any other kind of publicity? Cory nailed it when he observed that, for most authors--himself definitely included--piracy is far smaller threat than obscurity.