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	<title>Comments on: You can hang out with all the boys</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:28:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>You can hang out with all the boys</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.johnrechy.com/outlaw.htm&quot;&gt;there&apos;s no need&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.johnrechy.com/city.htm&quot;&gt;to feel down&lt;/a&gt;.
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Originally rejecting a ghetto-tag of &apos;gay writer&apos;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.365gay.com/lifestylechannel/intime/months/03-march/Rechy.htm&quot;&gt;John Rechy&apos;s&lt;/a&gt; early work describes aspects of US gay subculture, pre-&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/eresources/exhibitions/sw25/case1.html&quot;&gt;Stonewall&lt;/a&gt;, and pre-HIV, that was necessarily a closed book to outsiders at that point in time&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rechy is still writing, and today, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.johnrechy.com/default.htm&quot;&gt;his website&lt;/a&gt; features blog-like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.johnrechy.com/spkout.htm&quot;&gt;commentary&lt;/a&gt; and interesting thoughts &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.johnrechy.com/onWriting_toc.htm&quot;&gt;on writing&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:02:14 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>PeterMcDermott</dc:creator>
		
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		<title>By: digaman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/43711/You-can-hang-out-with-all-the-boys#992473</link>	
		<description>Rechy&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.johnrechy.com/city.htm&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;City of Night&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; was a masterpiece.  It&apos;s a hilarious, vicious, poetic, earnest, heartbreaking novel -- Rechy was the &lt;a href=&quot;http://library.uncwil.edu/wolfe/wolfe.html&quot;&gt;Thomas Wolfe&lt;/a&gt; (not Tom Wolfe) of the glory-hole set.  I&apos;d go so far as to say that &lt;i&gt;City&lt;/i&gt; is the missing link between the Beat Generation and later punk-lit writers like Dennis Cooper (and, since I was Allen Ginsberg&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.naropa.edu&quot;&gt;teaching assistant&lt;/a&gt; at one point and also studied with William Burroughs, I know something of what I speak).  The problem with Rechy is that none of his later books can hold a candle to it.  I read about a dozen more, hoping to find a rekindling of that spark, but the later work seems a little banal -- overly vain and sex-obsessed, underlyrical -- compared.

But to create one masterwork is worthy of high praise.  &lt;i&gt;City of Night&lt;/i&gt; should definitely be read by more hipsters, and I think one of the reasons it isn&apos;t, frankly, is homophobia.  Straight hipsters feel more comfortable relating to a hero like Jack Kerouac&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0140042598&quot;&gt;Sal Paradise&lt;/a&gt; or Cody Pomeray (their homosexuality kept strictly on the DL) than a male hustler.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:28:26 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>digaman</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jonmc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/43711/You-can-hang-out-with-all-the-boys#992486</link>	
		<description>I actually found &lt;i&gt;The Sexual Outlaw&lt;/i&gt; at a yard sale when I was 14. I thought it was about something else. But I read the whole thing anyway. It was a riveting read. He&apos;s right not to ghettoize himself. He deserves to be read by all kinds of people. I&apos;ll have to read &lt;i&gt;City of Night&lt;/i&gt; now.

&lt;em&gt;Straight hipsters feel more comfortable relating to a hero like Jack Kerouac&apos;s Sal Paradise or Cody Pomeray (their homosexuality kept strictly on the DL) than a male hustler.&lt;/em&gt;


Jim Carroll&apos;s &lt;i&gt;The Basketball Diaries&lt;/i&gt; features a lot of explicit (and occasionally hilarious) scenes involving male hustling. Just saying.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:38:19 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonmc</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: digaman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/43711/You-can-hang-out-with-all-the-boys#992489</link>	
		<description>For sure.  But didn&apos;t Carroll make it clear that he was &quot;really&quot; straight, whatever that means?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:41:03 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>digaman</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: digaman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/43711/You-can-hang-out-with-all-the-boys#992495</link>	
		<description>jonmc, you really do need to read &lt;i&gt;City of Night&lt;/i&gt;.  When I first read it 20 years ago, I felt like I&apos;d found the Holy Grail -- the Beat dharma-heir who everyone forgot.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:42:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: digaman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/43711/You-can-hang-out-with-all-the-boys#992502</link>	
		<description>Speaking of male hustling, by the way, one little-known truth is that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.litkicks.com/BeatPages/page.jsp?what=NealCassady&quot;&gt;Neal Cassady&lt;/a&gt;, the real-life model for Dean Moriarity, Cody Pomeray, and other Kerouac heroes, and later the legendary &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.key-z.com/CassadyBooks.htm&quot;&gt;driver of the Merry Pranksters&apos; bus Furthur&lt;/a&gt;, also hustled in his youth.  In fact, I believe that turning tricks with Justin Brierly, a well-known Denver patron-of-the-arts and mentor to troubled youths, was how Cassady ended up getting a tip to head to NYC, where he met Kerouac and walked into Beat/hippie immortality.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:50:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jonmc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/43711/You-can-hang-out-with-all-the-boys#992505</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ll read it if you read Richard Price&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/039597772X/qid=1122310089/sr=8-7/ref=pd_bbs_sbs_7/103-8339335-8635869?v=glance&amp;s=books&amp;n=507846&quot;&gt;Ladies Man&lt;/a&gt; (which, despite the title, is about the male libido, not just the straight male libido), his writing is similar to Rechy&apos;s in a lot of ways.

&lt;em&gt;But didn&apos;t Carroll make it clear that he was &quot;really&quot; straight, whatever that means?&lt;/em&gt;

He was doing it to hustle for drugs. But he left plenty of room for ambivalence, and to even broach the subject in a non-hateful way was ballsy in those days and is still an eye-opener for many people now.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:52:21 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonmc</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: digaman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/43711/You-can-hang-out-with-all-the-boys#992516</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s a deal.  I&apos;ve never heard of Price, and I&apos;m psyched to read a good book.

I heard that in the film of the &lt;i&gt;Basketball Diaries&lt;/i&gt;, Carroll&apos;s character was portrayed as less eye-openingly ambivalent, and the fags were made predictably more disgusting to cater to the prejudices of a mass audience.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:02:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rothko</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/43711/You-can-hang-out-with-all-the-boys#992517</link>	
		<description>Thanks for the post.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:03:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jonmc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/43711/You-can-hang-out-with-all-the-boys#992522</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;I heard that in the film of the Basketball Diaries, Carroll&apos;s character was portrayed as less eye-openingly ambivalent, and the fags were made predictably more disgusting to cater to the prejudices of a mass audience.&lt;/em&gt;

That&apos;s saddening, since the early 60&apos;s urban underground that Carroll inhabited brushed right up against the gay urban underworld of the time. The movie actually took a lot of liberties. Quite frankly, just about every non-mainstream subculture (Beats, hippies, bikers, punks, etc) had contact with marginalized groups and had gay elements within them.

&lt;em&gt;It&apos;s a deal. I&apos;ve never heard of Price, and I&apos;m psyched to read a good book.&lt;/em&gt;

You&apos;re on. I&apos;ll try an scrounge up a copy of Rechy. Let me know what you think of it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:08:55 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonmc</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: beelzbubba</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/43711/You-can-hang-out-with-all-the-boys#993045</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;City of Night&lt;/em&gt; should be available almost anywhere. I remember reading it in the early 70s, when the cool literati at our school were passing around Terry Southern&apos;s &lt;em&gt;Candy&lt;/em&gt;, Farina&apos;s &lt;em&gt;Been Down So Long&lt;/em&gt; and Rechy&apos;s book. 

Forget the labels, it is a great book. Gloria Anzaldua also cites Rechy as an important Chicano writer.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:56:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mrgrimm</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/43711/You-can-hang-out-with-all-the-boys#993115</link>	
		<description>Huh. I read &quot;The Fourth Angel&quot; in high school, and was very unimpressed. Perhaps I&apos;ll take a second look.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:17:30 -0800</pubDate>
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