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	<title>Comments on: Peekaboom!</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:06:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Peekaboom!</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.peekaboom.org/"&gt;Peekaboom!&lt;/a&gt; It&apos;s not Friday -- then again this isn&apos;t flash -- but it sure is fun. Partner with another anonymous player to identify pictures by gradually revealing them. The kicker is that as we play, the system gets smarter -- the goal is to teach computers how to identify photos the same way we can.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 11:50:49 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>o2b</dc:creator>		<category>ai</category>		<category>photos</category>		<category>game</category>		<category>fun</category>		<category>java</category>
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		<title>By: skynxnex</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1003338</link>	
		<description>Great fun. Of course, it makes a big difference with the person you&apos;re playing with. And learning about the common classes of images they have helps. For example, there are &lt;strong&gt;lots&lt;/strong&gt; of &quot;logo&quot; graphics in there. (Should probably warn it&apos;s Java, since I don&apos;t recall seeing that info until it started loading the applet after I hit Start Playing.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:06:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fvw</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1003367</link>	
		<description>Entertaining game, I was going to post this too but hadn&apos;t gotten around to it. Also try &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.espgame.org/&quot;&gt;The ESP game&lt;/a&gt; from the same people.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 13:35:32 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>fvw</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Pokeyzilla</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1003444</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s an interesting game, but I really don&apos;t understand how one might go about guessing the answers. Some of them I couldn&apos;t even identify when the puzzle was revealed. Then again, I ain&apos;t so braht.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:59:20 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pokeyzilla</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Pokeyzilla</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1003453</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s an interesting game, but I really don&apos;t understand how one might go about guessing the answers. Some of them I couldn&apos;t even identify when the puzzle was revealed. Then again, I ain&apos;t so braht.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:03:40 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pokeyzilla</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: mss</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1003505</link>	
		<description>So we see, so we see</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 15:53:48 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mss</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: fvw</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1003527</link>	
		<description>Some are near-impossible, in that case you should go for the pass button as soon as possible.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:09:46 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>fvw</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: nobody</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1003547</link>	
		<description>For a site claiming to be about training computers to recognize images by having humans play their game, there&apos;s &lt;b&gt;very&lt;/b&gt; little info about how they&apos;re doing that.

The images seem to be chosen &quot;from the web&quot; -- probably using something like google&apos;s image search. That would explain why some of the target words don&apos;t seem to match up with the images. I imagine the goal is to allow a machine searchable database of images without metadata markup, but, again, the site doesn&apos;t make that clear.

(And what are the bonus rounds teaching? And for that matter, how are they scored?)

Is there a more in-depth info page I&apos;m missing?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:18:49 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>nobody</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Parannoyed</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1003619</link>	
		<description>The bonus round, I believe, tests the computers ability to identify objects in an image. For example , if there&apos;s an orange ball in the picture, then the computer is doing its job well and as a side benefit you get points for clicking on the right portion of the picture.

That being said, someone come play &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.peekaboom.org/verbosity/&quot;&gt;Verbosity&lt;/a&gt; with me!</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 17:28:44 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Parannoyed</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: kika</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1003642</link>	
		<description>When you type &apos;penis&apos; it enters &apos;compassion&apos;... And really, the picture showed a penis.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 17:59:06 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kika</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Samsonov14</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1003710</link>	
		<description>This game is fantastic.  Thanks for posting it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 19:35:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Galvatron</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1003836</link>	
		<description>This is way more fun than it should be.  It&apos;s amusing how people try to communicate through such a limited interface--sending chatty messages instead of guesses, spelling out letters with mouse clicks, etc.

Someone wrote &quot;bemine&quot; just as our game was ending.  I&apos;m totally gonna find a way to hook up through this thing.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:53:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Galvatron</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: NickDouglas</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1004036</link>	
		<description>My best game ever started with &quot;usethehints&quot; and ended with, I assume, both of us sitting back and going &quot;damn, that guy was on the ball.&quot;

Peekaboom probably culls its guesswords from the ESP game. This explains the low quality of some words.

&quot;Shit&quot; returns &quot;kiss.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 07:45:54 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>NickDouglas</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: &amp;#xAE40;&amp;#xCE58;</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1004070</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;For a site claiming to be about training computers to recognize images by having humans play their game, there&apos;s very little info about how they&apos;re doing that.

The images seem to be chosen &quot;from the web&quot; -- probably using something like google&apos;s image search. That would explain why some of the target words don&apos;t seem to match up with the images. I imagine the goal is to allow a machine searchable database of images without metadata markup, but, again, the site doesn&apos;t make that clear.&lt;/i&gt;

nobody: There is some information &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05213/546899.stm&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~biglou/research.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Although &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~biglou/ESP.pdf&quot;&gt;Luis&apos;s paper&lt;/a&gt; refers to the previous game project, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.espgame.org/&quot;&gt;ESP&lt;/a&gt;, it looks pretty straightforward to extrapolate what&apos;s going on.  In ESP, the researchers &quot;use human cycles&quot; to label a vast number of web images by making the task enjoyable to the human users.  The human-applied tags are much more reliable than those applied by a computer, and can be used, for example, as indices in a searchable image database.  

This game is geared not towards merely labelling images, but &lt;i&gt;annotating&lt;/i&gt; the images, by getting the humans to mark the parts of the image which are most relevant to its identification.  Again, the annotation procedure is made into a game so that people will enjoy doing it -- in most research projects, annotation is a deadly dull process.  W.r.t. your observation, &lt;i&gt;why some of the target words don&apos;t seem to match up with the images&lt;/i&gt;, my guess is that the labels are in fact the human-applied labels from the ESP game.

In other words, the point of this game is to collect a vast database of images, labels, and explicit annotations of the visual cues that a human uses to deduce the label from the image.  This information could then be fed to a machine learning algorithm which can then be used to automatically label new images.  The specifics of the ML algorithm are irrelevant (suffice it to say that there are hundreds of them; they tend to be mathematical and esoteric) -- probably any number of them could be applied.  The real value in this project is the ease with which they can collect the data used to train those algorithms.  Data collection for many ML processes is a huge time-consuming bottleneck.

This is cool.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:19:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nobody</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/44023/Peekaboom#1004090</link>	
		<description>Neat. Thanks, [unicode][unicode].</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 08:43:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>nobody</dc:creator>
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