Comments on: Coldplay Rip Off U2... Again

Coldplay Rip Off U2... Again

Saellys — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:57:40 -0800

Sometimes You Can't Fix You On Your Own. (Quicktime and Windows Media.) If there has ever been doubt about Coldplay's burning ambition to be U2, let it be put to rest.

By: null terminated

null terminated — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:08:02 -0800

I can't access the first or last video.

By: foot

foot — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:09:58 -0800

I'd still like to rag on Coldplay though.

By: scody

scody — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:11:25 -0800

KILL THEM! KILL THEM WITH FIRE!!

By: Pendragon

Pendragon — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:13:45 -0800

I take it you don't like Coldplay ?

By: Robot Johnny

Robot Johnny — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:15:48 -0800

I take it you don't like Coldplay ? People LIKE Coldplay??

By: smackfu

smackfu — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:17:10 -0800

A Coldplay video with Christ Martin walking? I think they're ripping themselves off, not U2.

By: Rothko

Rothko — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:17:54 -0800

If the implication is that U2 is original, you should know that everything they made from Rattle and Hum onwards was theivery of the usual pop and blues variety. Just sayin'

By: papercake

papercake — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:17:54 -0800

...and this is because U2 is the only band to ever have a video where the singer walks toward the camera whilest singing so Coldplay must be copying them?

By: bondcliff

bondcliff — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:18:30 -0800

Isn't it about fifteen years too late to want to be U2?

By: abcde

abcde — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:18:36 -0800

The first and lasts links are the same. You can get the video [url=http://www.u2.com/av/index.php?album_id=68&type=lp]here[/url], third song of course.

By: abcde

abcde — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:19:12 -0800

Agh, BBCode... impulses... overwhelming... Here.

By: swordfishtrombones

swordfishtrombones — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:19:35 -0800

A Coldplay video with Christ Martin walking? Hey, I thought Bono was Christ ?

By: Saellys

Saellys — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:20:05 -0800

Whoops! Here's a WMP version of the first and last (same video) link.

By: papercake

papercake — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:27:27 -0800

Isn't it about fifteen years too late to want to be U2? Unless you are U2. Judging by their last album, they're desperately trying to figure that out themselves. /end derail of thread into ragging on U2

By: abcde

abcde — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:28:06 -0800

Yeah, Saellys' link is better, it's not just a clip.

By: fenriq

fenriq — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:28:40 -0800

Funny, I can't stand U2 but can listen to ColdPlay without wanting to smash things, maybe its because I don't know enough about the band to hate them? I thought it was far more laughable when people were calling Oasis the next Beatles even though they are absolutely awful and awful assholes.

By: Robot Johnny

Robot Johnny — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:29:59 -0800

I thought it was far more laughable when people were calling Oasis the next Beatles even though they are absolutely awful and awful assholes. What are you talking about? They're FANTASTIC assholes!

By: garfield

garfield — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:30:34 -0800

who would want to be like U2? have you ever listened, and i mean really listened, to U2? if anything Martin should be more careful picking video directors.

By: btwillig

btwillig — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:31:08 -0800

"I thought it was far more laughable when people were calling Oasis the next Beatles even though they are absolutely awful and awful assholes." Wasn't it Oasis who was calling Oasis the next Beatles?

By: abcde

abcde — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:32:58 -0800

This video is nothing like the Coldplay video, actually. You're going to have to substantiate this claim a little ;)

By: VelvetHellvis

VelvetHellvis — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:33:20 -0800

Well, I like ColdPlay and U2, so put that in your musical snobbery pipe and smoke it.

By: fenriq

fenriq — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:34:17 -0800

btwillig, it could have been. I just remember hearing Howard Stern mention it awhile and he, as a huge Beatles fan, was pretty much in the same boat. I think he said something to the effect that the Gallagher's weren't fit to sniff Lennon's poop or something to that effect (it has been awhile).

By: Pendragon

Pendragon — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:35:21 -0800

I like Kaiser Chiefs and Franz Ferdinand.

By: dodgygeezer

dodgygeezer — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:36:40 -0800

Wasn't it Oasis who was calling Oasis the next Beatles? Yeah, although I think they knew in their hearts that they were actually the next Slade.

By: danb

danb — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:38:54 -0800

If there has ever been doubt about Eric Clapton's burning ambition to be Robert Johnson, let it be put to rest. If there has ever been doubt about The Beatles' burning ambition to be Chuck Berry, let it be put to rest. If there has ever been doubt about Joss Stone's burning ambition to be Aretha Franklin, let it be put to rest.

By: yerfatma

yerfatma — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:43:31 -0800

Your favorite bad sucks, part 352. At least there are enough tags on this post that I'll be able to find it and remember the great times we had.

By: 27

27 — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:47:34 -0800

Thank you, yerfatma.

By: Outlawyr

Outlawyr — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:47:55 -0800

Metafilter: Sometimes You Can't Fix You On Your Own On a scale from 1 to 10, I give this post a poke in the eye. Poke!

By: foot

foot — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:49:11 -0800

What is this, the holy patrol?

By: fenriq

fenriq — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:57:40 -0800

Velvethellvis, I left my musical snobbery pipe in my car, is it okay to use my standard non-musical snobbery pipe and hum "Wonderwheel" or whatever Oasis' hit was ten years ago? By the way, why is it snobbery to not like U2 and Oasis? I'd think it was more a matter of personal taste. I know there's plenty of music I listen to that would make you snicker but I really don't worry about other people liking my music so long as I do. And pendragon, I dig on the Kaiser Chiefs as well!

By: Saellys

Saellys — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:58:22 -0800

This video is nothing like the Coldplay video, actually. You're going to have to substantiate this claim a little ;) Lead singer walks alone, facing camera, through deserted city streets, but just before the emotional climax of the song he arrives at a venue where the rest of the band is already playing. Other band members trade knowing glances; drummer mutters, "Nice of you to join us, you git." Song finishes triumphantly, amid applause (at least in Coldplay's case; U2 seem to be playing for an inexplicably empty Dublin theatre). Yep. They're nothing alike. have you ever listened, and i mean really listened, to U2? Yes. Have you?

By: 27

27 — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:03:52 -0800

By the way, why is it snobbery to not like U2 and Oasis? It's not. It's snobbery to feel that you need to tell everyone you don't like [enter bandname here] when nobody asked your opinion. Re-read the post, it's asking you to comment on a ripped-off concept. Saellys doesn't even weigh in on whether s/he likes the bands in question. But instead, some would rather play the "your favorite band sucks" game (as yerfatma pointed out). Nobody cares who you like or don't like.

By: tpl1212

tpl1212 — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:23:00 -0800

have you ever listened, and i mean really listened, to U2? How do you "really, i mean really" listen to something? I imagine putting on a monocle and placing my ear right up to the speaker. I guess I just accidentally overhear most music I thought listened to.

By: frenetic

frenetic — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:24:25 -0800

Haven't there been many "singer begins walking alone during intimate quiet beginning of song and joins band for big rocking part" videos? I can't think of any off the top of my head of course, but neither video strikes me as particularly original.

By: Mach3avelli

Mach3avelli — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:25:25 -0800

I feel bad for Coldplay. Everyone tried to call them Radiohead copycats at first. Now it's U2. Here's an interesting fact: Coldplay recorded X&Y in the studio with U2 posters adorning the walls for motivation.

By: Hildegarde

Hildegarde — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:25:39 -0800

I find Coldplay really, really boring. I can deal with one song, but I can't imagine listening to an entire Coldplay album, unless it's deeply in the background. At least U2 is marginally interesting. Achtung Baby was a great album. Just sayin'.

By: mrblondemang

mrblondemang — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:28:33 -0800

Coldplay? The TRL band from England? Holy teener boppers! U2 has chunks of punks like them in their collective stool(s).

By: garfield

garfield — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:30:40 -0800

Invest in Q-tips....just kidding...and I don't want to come off as a music snob, i consider myself an ex-music snob, but U2 is one of the most over-rated bands of my life time. I like a tune or two, maybe five, but for the most part, I find the sound leaves something to be desired. the coordination of the bass and drums....not so much. [Metallica learned to correct this deficiecy when Newstead joined the band. I love all the old metallica, but this coordination was lacking on their early records] perhaps some musical training (apart from the man on the kit) before they took off would've helped. the Edge is more than a little dull, and bono is a mono-trick-pony. Not sure how they managed all of their commercial success? More power to them I suppose. They can be catchy and political and romantic. But as a cohesive sound, what I consider the main aim of a band, Coldplay is on par or exceeds the sound of U2.

By: fenriq

fenriq — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:32:03 -0800

27, I bet you don't care that I don't like you. Have you been in any music threads before? Its natural to talk about music you like and don't like, so sorry to have offended your delicate sensibilities. I read the post, its not asking you to come in and comment like a big hairy buzz kill curmudgeon and yet, here you are, a big hairy buzz kill curmudgeon dropping a steaming pile of self-righteousness right in the middle of the thread. Nice. By the way, I'm glad you feel empowered to speak for the entire community. Not at all snobbish or pretentious.

By: jboy55

jboy55 — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:37:09 -0800

Lead singer walks alone, facing camera, through deserted city streets, but just before the emotional climax of the song he arrives at a venue where the rest of the band is already playing. Other band members trade knowing glances; drummer mutters, "Nice of you to join us, you git." Song finishes triumphantly, amid applause (at least in Coldplay's case; U2 seem to be playing for an inexplicably empty Dublin theatre). Yup, they've RIPPED off that concept. Could have been they were playing homage to it. (Like how U2 played homage to Wings of Desire). But you know, what I really think what you've uncovered is that both U2 and Coldplay use tired Music Video cliches. I can think of more then a few videos working on that same riff. Actually if you just subtype the video as singleton performer meets group at end of video, you can include probably 20% of all music videos.

By: OmieWise

OmieWise — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:41:21 -0800

If we all try real hard we can probably get a MetaTalk thread out of this.

By: Saellys

Saellys — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:48:25 -0800

I read the post, its not asking you to come in and comment like a big hairy buzz kill curmudgeon and yet, here you are, a big hairy buzz kill curmudgeon dropping a steaming pile of self-righteousness right in the middle of the thread. Nice. By the way, I'm glad you feel empowered to speak for the entire community. Not at all snobbish or pretentious. The thread also isn't asking anyone to insult each other, but hey, this is the Internet, after all. 27 happened to list a few aspects of most music threads I've seen that piss me off as well. Those views may not reflect those of the entire community, but they're not off-base either. I saw nothing in that comment that suggested overreaction or self-righteousness. Just someone tired of seeing people intentionally start and perpetuate meaningless feuds.

By: mosch

mosch — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:49:25 -0800

Most music videos suck. Most music sucks. Coldplay is Diet U2. So what?

By: jboy55

jboy55 — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:51:46 -0800

We must not forget, U2 lost all of their artistic "punk rock cred" when they destroyed Negativland. (or didn't stop their labels from doing it as they say now).

By: fungible

fungible — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:56:51 -0800

These videos have nothing in common. For instance, Bono wears a mall-rat hoodie, while Chris Martin is wearing some sort of ninja outfit. Completely different.

By: psmealey

psmealey — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:11:11 -0800

Well, I like ColdPlay and U2, so put that in your musical snobbery pipe and smoke it. Snobbery ain't got nothing to do with it. It's about taste.

By: Rev. Syung Myung Me

Rev. Syung Myung Me — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:12:06 -0800

I know that U2 claims "Oh no, that was Island records! We couldn't stop them! Not us, just the little ol' Biggest Band On The Label!" but Mark Hosler of Negativland found out that it actually was U2 that started it -- when the case happened, they tracked down the offending single that started the case to an Athens, GA record shop. Last year, at a conference, Mark was giving a speech and REM's manager mentioned that it was his fault they got sued (to which, Mark shouted "YOU MOTHERFUCKER!", which is a perfectly understandable exclamation). His story (whether or not it's true): U2 and REM were friends, and U2'd heard about the Negativland Single. They, through their manager, asked REM's manager to pick up a copy for them. He complied, thinking (or so he says) "Oh, they just want to have a copy for their collection, to laugh over and whatnot", and soon after, the lawyers came out. ... which, you know, I guess would explain why U2 never stopped "Island" from suing, nor came through on their offer to loan/give Negativland money to cover court costs. But it didn't stop them from basically ripping Negativland off wholesale for Zoo TV... ...so, you know, basically, fuck U2.

By: Rev. Syung Myung Me

Rev. Syung Myung Me — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:14:04 -0800

(and for the record, even though I'd still disagree with them, I'd have way, way more respect for them had they just come out and said "We really do think Negativland was in the wrong to make their sleeve look like that and use the 30-second sample". Instead, they did this whole playing-both-sides-of-the-fence thing of secretly being the instigators of the lawsuit while publicly going "OH NO THIS IS HORRIBLE! SORRY THAT WE WON'T ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING TO STOP IT THOUGH!! OUR HANDS ARE TIED!! DON'T THINK THAT PART THROUGH AT ALL, THOUGH!!")

By: jboy55

jboy55 — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:22:29 -0800

All U2 would have had to have said, is "Negativland, redesign your cover". Instead they went for the kill and they were VERY two faced about it. The only legal reason they could have stopped Negativland was the cover, the musical portion was clear parody. But I guess U2 wanted to suck Casey Kasem's balls to get up the top 20 and destroy negativland.

By: fenriq

fenriq — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:29:50 -0800

Saellys, so you posted this knowing you were going to get a comment thread that pissed you and now you're pissed off about it? That seems totally sensible. See, here's the thing about posting a post to MetaFilter, you can only post it, you can't control the thread that falls from it no matter how much you want to or try to by shepherding it towards whatever conversation you feel it deserves or should occur. And expecting people to do what you want them to do is an exercise in frustration. I'll weigh in with my opinion on an FPP if it suits me. It suited me to comment that I think both U2 and ColdPlay suck balls. If there's a thread that's about a band that I actually like then I'll comment that I actually like them. The intarnets are kind of crazy like that.

By: 31d1

31d1 — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:32:43 -0800

Aaagh. I had to run here to get the taste out of my ears. Maybe it will help you, too.

By: 31d1

31d1 — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:33:54 -0800

Heh - "you, too" - get it?

By: Tlogmer

Tlogmer — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:33:57 -0800

Snobbery ain't got nothing to do with it. It's about taste. Ah. So you're saying you have better taste than everyone. Certainly not snobbery. (For the record, I like Coldplay alright; their newest album is uninspired, though. And Oasis haven't aged well, but they were fucking amazingly fucking awesome when I was 13.)

By: jboy55

jboy55 — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:39:28 -0800

To relate this back to this thread. So after being soley responsible for destroying Negativland financially. When it came time for U2's Zoo TV tour, U2 became all "edgy", commenting on media and its effect on society. Through pirate TV intercepts, sampling pop culture and rebroadcasting it to make pointed political commentary. Which turns out is exactly what Negativland had been doing, did with their U2 single and with much effort they've manged to come back and continue doing. So, to say Coldplay is Ripping off U2, what Coldplay aint doing is sueing U2 into non-existance then ripping off their ideas.

By: eustacescrubb

eustacescrubb — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:41:53 -0800

Poor Negativeland. A shitty band gets national attention and immediate street cred as trod-upon underdog because a band they sampled without clearing sued them. I'm crying inside for them, really.

By: MiltonRandKalman

MiltonRandKalman — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:52:45 -0800

Wow corporate rock v. corporate rock, who shall prevail? For the the record all music sucks, unless it's Billy Joel, except for that Lionel Richie album where he's wearing sweater on the cover.

By: jboy55

jboy55 — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:00:23 -0800

Hmm.. Ok, to set the record straight, Negativland was a band that used sampling to create commentary about media and politics. Negativland put out a single with a U2 spy plane on it, containing 2 songs. One had a casio keyboard playing one of U2's songs, while the "Weatherman" made fun of it. The other had a sample of Kasey Kasem swearing about U2 and what a stupid band they were from England, while the band hummed the tune. Later, a voice over comments on censorship. If U2 had sued them about sampling (if there was any sampling from U2), they might have gotten half of the royalties. They sued about the cover of the album, SST caved forcing Negativland to buy back and destroy every album made and suing the members individulally for U2's and SST's legal costs to the tune of 200k. All for a band that probably made around $40k over their life time till that point. Too bad negativland never sampled anything of U2's they mearly played a tune and made fun of it. If you refer to Mad Magazine, and the protection's under fair use for parody, U2 probably couldn't sue. Kasey Kasem might have had a suit, but probably not for the parody rule. If U2 had said, "Screw em, They're a shitty underground band and we don't feel sorry, what we feel sorry for is that they'll get publicity about it", at least they would have been honest about it. What U2 did was to say to the public, "We're not suing them, we support small artists, its the big bad labels", while behind the scenes they were suing the band out of existance. Then U2 changes its focus, creating a tour, Zoo Tv, that used sampling to make commentary about media and politics. SO you decide if U2 is an edgy, punkish band that deserved high-eye brow praise.

By: Kafkaesque

Kafkaesque — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:00:48 -0800

This is the best thread ever. And Milton, that Lionel album kicks ASS!

By: abcde

abcde — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:02:20 -0800

eustacescrubb: The question isn't whether Negativland deserves sympathy but whether U2 is evil.

By: Rev. Syung Myung Me

Rev. Syung Myung Me — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:05:10 -0800

Actually, U2 does contain an actual sample of "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For", although the bulk of the case was about the sleeve design -- the argument being that someone could see that and think it was a new U2 single called "Negativland", rather than a Negativland single called "U2"... though what a new U2 single would be doing binned in "Miscellaneous N" is a mystery to me. The sample was just frosting. (Otherwise, right on jboy, and, yeah -- though the sample exists, it is SO not the focal point of the single... as evidenced by you not even realizing there was one!)

By: FieldingGoodney

FieldingGoodney — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:12:42 -0800

I like Kaiser Chiefs and Franz Ferdinand. So did I, like 6 months ago and 18 months ago respectively. They are so old to my ears now. I think I grow tired of bands too quickly these days.....

By: Rev. Syung Myung Me

Rev. Syung Myung Me — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:12:49 -0800

Listening to it, the sample comes in at 0:22 on the "1991 A Capella Mix", and ends at about 0:52, crossfading into the hummed version. Also, the original label actually DID give songwriting credit to U2; it's "officially" a cover version. The version in the "Special Radio Edit", however, I think is a re-recording of the song -- the percussion sounds similar but not exact. And there's no Bono Vocals on that version, soooo... (I'm just bummed because I just discovered that my copy of Dead Dog Records has a huge crack running across it...)

By: eustacescrubb

eustacescrubb — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:25:27 -0800

jboy, I'm well aware of the U2/Negativeland story; I heard the Negativeland single when it came out, and was subjected to many other Negativeland "songs" when they came out, and the fact is that: A: they're not very good, and never were; they likely got as much benefit as they did grief out of the suit, because without it, it's doubtful most of us would even know who they are. B: your entire argument about U2 "stealing" Negativeland's ideas about sampling pop culture is guilty of the post hoc fallacy - the ideas did not originate with Negativeland and many, many bands were playing around with those same ideas at the time or half a decade earlier, (Roger Waters, Talking Heads, Public Enemy, Michael Franti and Peter Gabriel all come to mind) so it's much more likely that all those bands were all influenced by the cultural climate at the time, rather than one band stealing the idea from another. C: Negativeland's side of the story is, well Negativeland's side of the story. They've never struck me as charitable people in interviews, and like many in the "underground" of the music scene, they always seem to take the most cynical point of view about a given matter, so I'm not going to immediately trust second-hand stories about R.E.M.'s manager originating with them. D: I suspect we'll never know the whole truth because both U2 and Negativeland want to be judged the virtuous party by the public, and so arre bound to be leaving pertinent facts out of the story.

By: ijoshua

ijoshua — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:34:11 -0800

I don't feel the need to make a statement with the music I listen to--I like Tom Petty.

By: eustacescrubb

eustacescrubb — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:35:49 -0800

I also like Tom Petty. But he totally stole his ideas from the Travelling Wilburys.

By: kyleg

kyleg — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:44:38 -0800

The real shame about the Coldplay video is that Martin wasn't happy with his backwards singing on the video for "The Scientist," and tried to shoot in slow-motion for this one. I'm surprised they have so much money to spend on a video and settled for the crappy lip-synching that they did.

By: 27

27 — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:51:48 -0800

Saellys: Thanks. Fenriq: I don't care if you like me or not. And if you want to engage in masturbation by keyboard and tell everybody who you think sucks and who you think doesn't when nobody asked you to begin with, then that's cool. Maybe you don't realize that people who dig U2, Coldplay, or any other band aren't going to be swayed by your criticism and your comment is just needless noise. Maybe you do realize it and you don't care - again, that's fine. Comment as you wish. I'm not being self-righteous or pretentious - and I'm not speaking for the community. The fact is that nobody asked what you thought of the bands in question. You and I aren't that different, actually. It's just that you're saying that these bands suck without anyone asking you, and I'm saying that you're comment sucks without anyone asking me. ;-)

By: fenriq

fenriq — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:55:47 -0800

Yeah, but one's about the thread and one's about me. Which one's more of a derail?

By: 27

27 — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:02:49 -0800

That's easy. Yours is. It's not "about the thread", it's barely on-topic opinion meant to do nothing make people pick sides, get fired up, and NOT talk about the thread's topic (a ripped off topic). All I did was call you on it.

By: fungible

fungible — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:16:29 -0800

Fuck Snuffles!

By: hatchetjack

hatchetjack — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:34:30 -0800

its weird how, like, the more you know about music the less you like bands that make shit-buckets of money.

By: kenko

kenko — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:59:42 -0800

Holy Christ that Coldplay song is awful. And the video…

By: zardoz

zardoz — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:29:07 -0800

I liked Coldplay's previous albums pretty well, and I saw them live at a festival a few years ago. They're surprisingly good live. I gave a listen to their new album and was astoundingly unimpressed. U2 has some good stuff but I never really got "into" them. The stuff that both bands will make from this point will be like water.

By: fenriq

fenriq — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 20:20:10 -0800

I'd say posting the thread is sort of a tacit askance of opinion about either of the bands being mentioned. Bringing up the subject brings up the subject, it doesn't necessarily direct the course of the dialogue that follows. To which, I'll say, I watched the middle video and I don't know who they're mimicking but it was bad. Bad, bad, bad.

By: ludwig_van

ludwig_van — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 20:55:07 -0800

its weird how, like, the more you know about music the less you like bands that make shit-buckets of money. Not in all cases. And mostly recently. The Beatles made lots of money. But Beethoven never did. He got pretty famous though. But Bach didn't really. He was totally indie. So there.

By: straight

straight — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:08:12 -0800

except for that Lionel Richie album where he's wearing sweater on the cover. "Middle of the road, man it stank! Let's run over Lionel Richie with a tank!"

By: adactio

adactio — Sat, 06 Aug 2005 05:36:12 -0800

Middle of the road, man it stank! Let's run over Lionel Richie with a tank!"

Ah! Billy And The Boingers.... best. fictional. band. ever.

By: mcsweetie

mcsweetie — Sat, 06 Aug 2005 06:42:29 -0800

you know who I don't like? limp bizkit!

By: kenko

kenko — Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:03:08 -0800

But Bach didn't really. He was totally indie. So there. Dude, Bach had a patron. He was a total sellout, he just sucked at selling out.

By: jokeefe

jokeefe — Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:11:04 -0800

Mother of all that is holy, that has got to be the worst big-budget video ever made of the most insipid song. The best you can is not good enough in this case, Mr. Martin.

By: tu11ym0n

tu11ym0n — Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:46:43 -0800

can someone please resolve this debate for me? less annoying: fingernails on chalkboard or Chris Martin's falsetto?

By: jokeefe

jokeefe — Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:35:40 -0800

Dude, Bach had a patron. He was a total sellout, he just sucked at selling out. Bach also had the Catholic Church, the biggest corporation of the day, sort of like the 17th century European Microsoft. If MS could take you court for not buying its products, or burn you at the stake for using Linux, or torture you for saying bad things about Windows, or compel you to hand over ten percent of all you earned to their vastly swollen coffers and hugely wealthy ~~CEO~~ Pope. Hmmmm.

By: flotson

flotson — Sat, 06 Aug 2005 22:05:29 -0800

The thing that bugs me about all these "X band sucks" comments is that they're totally lacking in substance. Tell me why you think they suck. Talk about the music. Am I the only person here who likes Coldplay?

By: abcde

abcde — Sun, 07 Aug 2005 08:43:43 -0800

I'm sure you're not. Coldplay suck because they've become very soft and easy with a very self-conscious and contrived vibe, especially with the lyrics, which are truly horrible (notice the lyrics on that song or any other on the album and you'll see).

By: flotson

flotson — Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:14:16 -0800

I find the words sincere, and the melodies very pretty.